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Post by Jon on Oct 14, 2022 22:29:38 GMT
The chances of a National Government are absolutely zero.
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Post by vdcni on Oct 15, 2022 5:54:58 GMT
And no opposition party in their right mind would join a national government with a party who's own policies have significantly contributed to the crisis.
I don't see how you can think it's acceptable for the Conservatives to prioritise the party over the good of the country but expect Labour to do the exact opposite.
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Post by theglenbucklaird on Oct 15, 2022 7:30:00 GMT
No party with their current opinion poll showing is going to call an election unless they are forced to by losing a vote of no confidence in Parliament. And that is not going to happen no matter how much you might wish it. A national government could be established to see the country through the current global turmoil. Indeed we probably should have considered it at the start of COVID. More reasons to get Johnson back. He is a skilled winner of elections but it is his mandate so unlike any new leader he won’t have to go to the country.
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Post by oxfordsimon on Oct 15, 2022 7:37:00 GMT
And no opposition party in their right mind would join a national government with a party who's own policies have significantly contributed to the crisis. I don't see how you can think it's acceptable for the Conservatives to prioritise the party over the good of the country but expect Labour to do the exact opposite. Because a National Government isn't the Conservatives putting party first. It would be them saying we need to all put party aside for the good of the nation. 4 to 6 weeks of an election campaign would be an unacceptable delay in getting on with finding real solutions. It would be more fighting and mud slinging. The need now is for collegiate behaviour, for meaningful compromise, for listening not shouting. I know it is an old fashioned solution. But politics on all sides is screwed up. Suspend the rhetoric and focus on finding agreed solutions would be a huge step forward. There is no doubt in my mind that the Tories will lose the next election. So this wouldn't save them. But not getting in with steering the country through these tricky times until January is not an option.
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Post by vdcni on Oct 15, 2022 8:42:11 GMT
This isn't a war where all sides would basically agree on the direction of travel. There is a fundamental ideological disagreement on how to handle things.
And after months of pointing out how incompetent this goverment is and with the polls showing they are wildly unpopular it wouldn't make any sense for Labour to then sit beside them in government. The sense of betrayal would be off the scale.
And a quick election would be fine right now, certainly more so than the latest plotting to install Sunak and Mourdant.
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Post by talkingheads on Oct 15, 2022 9:20:25 GMT
And no opposition party in their right mind would join a national government with a party who's own policies have significantly contributed to the crisis. I don't see how you can think it's acceptable for the Conservatives to prioritise the party over the good of the country but expect Labour to do the exact opposite. Because a National Government isn't the Conservatives putting party first. It would be them saying we need to all put party aside for the good of the nation. 4 to 6 weeks of an election campaign would be an unacceptable delay in getting on with finding real solutions. It would be more fighting and mud slinging. The need now is for collegiate behaviour, for meaningful compromise, for listening not shouting. I know it is an old fashioned solution. But politics on all sides is screwed up. Suspend the rhetoric and focus on finding agreed solutions would be a huge step forward. There is no doubt in my mind that the Tories will lose the next election. So this wouldn't save them. But not getting in with steering the country through these tricky times until January is not an option. They've steered us directly into these times, what makes you think they'll suddenly change tack and steer us out? The country can't take this omnishambles for another two months let alone two years.
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Post by olliebean on Oct 15, 2022 10:13:43 GMT
It's time for a National Government. No election. Just two years of politicians working together not fighting. I've already seen reports of Tory MPs discussing the possibility of a Government of National Unity. Unfortunately when I saw the names being suggested as being in such a government, it was clear what they were thinking of was a Government of Tory Unity.
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Post by jojo on Oct 15, 2022 10:53:57 GMT
This isn't a war where all sides would basically agree on the direction of travel. There is a fundamental ideological disagreement on how to handle things. And after months of pointing out how incompetent this goverment is and with the polls showing they are wildly unpopular it wouldn't make any sense for Labour to then sit beside them in government. The sense of betrayal would be off the scale. And a quick election would be fine right now, certainly more so than the latest plotting to install Sunak and Mourdant. Agreed. There are some issues where mainstream parties overlap enough to be able to work together, on goals if not on tactics. A foreign war and even the general approach to COVID could be ones where it's practical to work together for a limited time. A government of national unity wasn't entirely ridiculous for sorting an approach to Brexit, because there was arguably as much variance within parties as there was between parties. The arithmetic could have worked if Corbyn hadn't been vain enough to insist only he could lead it. But there's no hope now. There Tories have too big a majority and while there is a lot of variance of opinion within parties, there is clear daylight between parties on overall direction and dealing with the economy is a core part of being in government for every government. I'm not sure what to make of Hunt. He's a mediocre intellect, but not totally bonkers, which puts him ahead of some of them. But he's got a mean streak and a reputation for dodging scrutiny and misusing figures. Unfortunately, that's accepted as normal these days. He seems to be the Health Secretary that NHS staff hated the most and unsurprisingly has links to private health care. He's obsessed with finding 'efficiencies' and was the Health Secretary who ignored the recommendations of a pandemic stress test to stock up on PPE and ventilators etc.
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Post by talkingheads on Oct 15, 2022 12:15:16 GMT
Now Therese Coffey has waded in with the ridiculous, not to mention highly dangerous, notion that pharmacists will be able to give out antibiotics without the patient first going to a GP. She then openly admits to breaking the law by sharing her medication with friends and family. I'm genuinely running out of expletives and exhalations of exasperation for this Government. They've gone so far below the bottom of the barrel I don't know what else they can do. They will, though. www.thetimes.co.uk/article/chemists-to-prescribe-antibiotics-under-coffey-health-plan-gjvfnb6q5
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Post by emsworthian on Oct 15, 2022 13:37:51 GMT
Now Therese Coffey has waded in with the ridiculous, not to mention highly dangerous, notion that pharmacists will be able to give out antibiotics without the patient first going to a GP. She then openly admits to breaking the law by sharing her medication with friends and family. I'm genuinely running out of expletives and exhalations of exasperation for this Government. They've gone so far below the bottom of the barrel I don't know what else they can do. They will, though. www.thetimes.co.uk/article/chemists-to-prescribe-antibiotics-under-coffey-health-plan-gjvfnb6q5Whenever I've been prescribed antibiotics, the doctor has stressed the need to complete the course and not to stop taking them when I feel better. I am not a medical expert but it seems to me that you can't just take a couple and expect them to work.
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Post by olliebean on Oct 15, 2022 15:39:38 GMT
Now Therese Coffey has waded in with the ridiculous, not to mention highly dangerous, notion that pharmacists will be able to give out antibiotics without the patient first going to a GP. She then openly admits to breaking the law by sharing her medication with friends and family. I'm genuinely running out of expletives and exhalations of exasperation for this Government. They've gone so far below the bottom of the barrel I don't know what else they can do. They will, though. www.thetimes.co.uk/article/chemists-to-prescribe-antibiotics-under-coffey-health-plan-gjvfnb6q5Whenever I've been prescribed antibiotics, the doctor has stressed the need to complete the course and not to stop taking them when I feel better. I am not a medical expert but it seems to me that you can't just take a couple and expect them to work. Quite. She's probably crawling with half-treated bacterial infections.
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Post by hulmeman on Oct 16, 2022 20:39:23 GMT
You say that still, even after Liz Truss has trashed the economy? YES!! The whole government is rotten to the core in my humble opinion
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Post by talkingheads on Oct 17, 2022 8:29:07 GMT
Apparently there are now over 100 letters of no confidence waiting for Graham Brady this morning (what an archaic system we live under. Can't do anything until some bloke checks his post). Going to be an interesting day.
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Post by Someone in a tree on Oct 17, 2022 10:22:19 GMT
Interesting statement from Hunt. So much from the mini budget is scrapped and now Pippa Porkmarkets reputation is in even more trashed.
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Post by theglenbucklaird on Oct 17, 2022 11:01:36 GMT
Apparently there are now over 100 letters of no confidence waiting for Graham Brady this morning (what an archaic system we live under. Can't do anything until some bloke checks his post). Going to be an interesting day. Isn't it ,can't do aything until they change the rules...
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Post by talkingheads on Oct 17, 2022 11:50:18 GMT
Too many Twitter links to post as things seem to be happening so fast, but from what I can gather it is political freefall with Truss literally clinging on hour to hour, yet refusing to resign, but more and more MPs being vocally critical.
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Post by intoanewlife on Oct 17, 2022 17:35:24 GMT
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Post by NeilVHughes on Oct 17, 2022 17:46:26 GMT
Pity poor James Graham, every time he thinks he has the plot of his state of the nation play worked out real life becomes more ridiculous.
How can you top, I can confirm The Prime Minister is not hiding under a desk.
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Post by kathryn on Oct 18, 2022 7:36:06 GMT
Said it before, but James Graham is going to have to make it a farce.
A straight drama is just not gonna cut it.
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Post by karloscar on Oct 18, 2022 9:58:58 GMT
So now we're supposed to cut Thick Lizzie some slack because nobody else in the Cabinet that she appointed from her own cronies thought that anything in the disastrous mini-budget might prove problematic. That just proves that all of them are incompetent and should go, especially since Sunak and others warned of the consequences of unfunded tax cuts and fairytale economics just weeks before.
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Post by talkingheads on Oct 19, 2022 15:54:25 GMT
Cruella Braverman's gone! I've truly never seen a Government in such unmitigated chaos as this. PMQ's earlier was a treat.
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Post by inthenose on Oct 19, 2022 16:00:25 GMT
Allegedly sharing private information from her phone, so that’s the PM’s special adviser and the Home Secretary gone, with rumours of more sackings before the day is through. Shambolic
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Post by vdcni on Oct 19, 2022 16:18:15 GMT
Her resignation letter isn't exactly subtle.
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Post by inthenose on Oct 19, 2022 16:23:47 GMT
Former energy minister Chris Skidmore has broken ranks and said he not vote with the three line whip in support of the fracking bill - and will probably lose the whip. I wonder if more will follow.
If a handful don’t follow the whip - or even cross the floor - Truss will be gone in a matter of days.
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Post by Someone in a tree on Oct 19, 2022 16:34:13 GMT
Curella - ha ha. I love it.
I suspect she will now spend her time to the hatred of tofu. Her speech yesterday was dreadful. A drunken rant in pub carpark springs to mind
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Post by talkingheads on Oct 19, 2022 16:43:28 GMT
Devastating for Truss though - her letter is essentially "I made a mistake. I resigned". Truss today at PMQ's "I made a mistake. I apologised".
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Post by inthenose on Oct 19, 2022 18:07:20 GMT
The government might lose this vote… astonishing
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Post by Jon on Oct 19, 2022 18:29:49 GMT
Curella - ha ha. I love it. I suspect she will now spend her time to the hatred of tofu. Her speech yesterday was dreadful. A drunken rant in pub carpark springs to mind I'm not sure why she has such hatred for tofu, it's lovely!
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Post by talkingheads on Oct 19, 2022 19:13:13 GMT
If we don't have a general election after tonight's events we need to be out on the streets.
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Post by Jon on Oct 19, 2022 19:32:16 GMT
If we don't have a general election after tonight's events we need to be out on the streets. I'm not sure if riots are the solution.
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