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Post by Someone in a tree on Sept 29, 2022 13:16:50 GMT
Pippa Porkmarkets recent radio interviews sound terrible. She comes across with no understanding of the situational therfore no empathy - she's toast.
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Post by talkingheads on Sept 29, 2022 13:37:41 GMT
What is the fallout of this do we think? If she does less interviews, it creates a chasm where the PM should be communicating with the electorate. If she continues like this, the incompetence gets worse and worse. They MUST vote her out surely?
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Post by lichtie on Sept 29, 2022 15:34:11 GMT
She's probably safe in the immediate future (most of her opponents in the party are apparently staying away from the conference anyway, so it will be a looney-love-fest in Birmingham). Her MPs may just refuse to back legislation that comes around if she doesn't back down a bit. If she sticks to her guns and the pound and gilts continue to tank then she'll be gone by Easter even if it requires the 1922 committee to change their rules yet again. If she flip-flops she'll look weak anyway, so no one will trust her and I suspect the poll numbers will still be poor for the tories, though at least the economy might recover. But even that might not happen as she's clearly lost the trust of the markets (all those deadly socialists and remainers according to her most ardent admirers).
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Post by vdcni on Sept 29, 2022 16:39:46 GMT
YouGov have just released a poll that gives Labour a 33 point lead over the Tories. 54% (+9) vs. 21% (-7%).
That's crazy.
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Post by lichtie on Sept 29, 2022 16:45:37 GMT
And there's a Survation one where the lead is only 21 points... CON 28% (-5) LAB 49% (+6) LD 11% (nc) SNP 5% (+1) GRE 1% (-2) Others 7% (+2) Apparently the largest lead for Labour Survation have ever had. And that's before this morning's classic robotic radio interviews.
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Post by intoanewlife on Sept 29, 2022 18:12:17 GMT
Pippa Porkmarkets recent radio interviews sound terrible. She comes across with no understanding of the situational therfore no empathy - she's toast. I would say she has no empathy and therefore is incapable of having an understanding of the situation...
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Post by olliebean on Sept 29, 2022 22:20:31 GMT
I'd like to see the proportion of "don't know"s in those polls. From what I hear, Labour's massive lead is more down to a collapse of support for the Tories than any significant increase for Labour.
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Post by n1david on Sept 29, 2022 22:36:06 GMT
I'd like to see the proportion of "don't know"s in those polls. From what I hear, Labour's massive lead is more down to a collapse of support for the Tories than any significant increase for Labour. Well the data is out there. For example, if one looks at the data for the YouGov poll "There are three key factors in Labour's lead. First, the proportion of 2019 Conservative voters who now say they will vote Labour has risen to a sizeable 17%, doubling from 8% in our poll published on Monday. Only 37% of those who backed the Conservatives in the previous election currently intend to stick with the party." That really does suggest that it's not just the Tory vote that has collapsed, people are actually switching. yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/articles-reports/2022/09/29/voting-intention-con-21-lab-54-28-29-sep-2022
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Post by karloscar on Sept 30, 2022 0:13:42 GMT
Interesting that on Question Time tonight the Tory minister's response to the woman who's 4% interest mortgage offer was withdrawn and the only ones available now are over 10%? "The market might calm down in a week or two!! "The market might calm down, but she's still unlikely to get an affordable mortgage for years.
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Post by vdcni on Sept 30, 2022 5:35:27 GMT
Certainly it was true previously that a lot of the Labour lead was down to a shift to don't no from Tory voters but as mentioned above that appears to be changing and Labour are now ahead on pretty much every policy area including the economy which is always their weak point. Starmer also now has more solid leads on the best PM question.
If the Tories had an actual answer to the hardship this mini budget announcement is causing they wouldn't be trying to push the narrative that this is a global issue (not entirely untrue but the more intense crisis we are facing is down to the Tories own policies) or somehow fear of a incoming Labour government.
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Post by talkingheads on Oct 2, 2022 9:16:42 GMT
Anybody see the Kuennsberg interview? Pitiful. Truss is genuinely thick as mince.
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Post by Someone in a tree on Oct 2, 2022 9:38:57 GMT
I didn't but I'm shocked to hear she didn't discuss the mini budget with the whole cabinet. WTF
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Post by vdcni on Oct 2, 2022 9:42:09 GMT
Truss had nothing and Kuenssberg is hardly the trickiest interviewer out there.
Actually she did have one really strong question. "Who actually voted for this". It was telling that Truss could only say - I don't understand the question.
It also ties into a line they've been trying to push recently of being a new government and only a few weeks in. They are either a new goverment with a new direction in which case they need a new mandate or they are a continuation in which case this shift in approach has no democratic legitimacy.
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Post by jojo on Oct 2, 2022 10:24:25 GMT
I'd like to see the proportion of "don't know"s in those polls. From what I hear, Labour's massive lead is more down to a collapse of support for the Tories than any significant increase for Labour. As David says it's a bit of a mix, but it is fair to say that it would be reckless to think that current headline polling could be repeated at an actual general election. News cycles move on to other things, newspapers that might occasionally challenge very unpopular policies go back to championing the party that benefits their owners, MPs who want to be re-elected rally around their leader and a lot of people inevitably revert to voting how they always vote. Tempting as it is to blame this all on Truss, this is a lot of chickens coming home to roost, and people who have given the benefit of the doubt or hoped that something better would be around the corner, finally realising it's not happening with this batch of the Conservatives. Simply changing the PM is not enough to undo the damage or lick them into shape. It's been coming for years, but Johnson's love of Yes men and women, including his purge of some of the saner, independent thinking MPs in 2019 was a tipping point. Normally party conferences are the time of year when a party can present itself on its own terms, and that comes with an associated boost in the polls. The LibDems had to cancel theirs because it clashed with the Queen's funeral, while Labour had excellent timing for theirs. But it seems to be more than that. It looks like Starmer has earned the trust of a lot of people who have voted Conservative in the past, and it's that trust that will let him and the Labour party convince floating voters to give their policies the benefit of the doubt. Meanwhile, this Tory conference will serve to remind people how awful they are.
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Post by karloscar on Oct 2, 2022 10:37:59 GMT
The main threat to the Tories when Cameron was in power came from UKIP which is why he agreed to the Brexit referendum although he didn't believe in it. Ten years later and any moderate voices in the Tory party are either gone or stifled and their leader makes Nigel Farage look moderate. Thick Lizzie's policies are as destructive as anything Trump attempted in the States. Does anybody within her party have enough of a conscience to stop this before it goes any further?
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Post by jojo on Oct 2, 2022 12:13:14 GMT
I think they've all gone karloscar. Even if they were generally team players, you could rely on someone like Ken Clarke to say when he thought something was a terrible idea, and other leaders could handle it, but under Johnson he had the whip withdrawn. He may well have retired anyway, but he and many more of his mould were essentially deselected in 2019, while the likes of Anna Soubry defected. The new intake seem to be nothing more than lobby fodder.
Gove was critical of Truss this morning, but it was still measured and he's never going to admit that a lot of the problems are down to the hard Brexit he is partially responsible for.
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Post by theglenbucklaird on Oct 2, 2022 15:33:11 GMT
The main threat to the Tories when Cameron was in power came from UKIP which is why he agreed to the Brexit referendum although he didn't believe in it. Ten years later and any moderate voices in the Tory party are either gone or stifled and their leader makes Nigel Farage look moderate. Thick Lizzie's policies are as destructive as anything Trump attempted in the States. Does anybody within her party have enough of a conscience to stop this before it goes any further? Gove is the sane one with the conscience
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Post by karloscar on Oct 2, 2022 20:41:50 GMT
The main threat to the Tories when Cameron was in power came from UKIP which is why he agreed to the Brexit referendum although he didn't believe in it. Ten years later and any moderate voices in the Tory party are either gone or stifled and their leader makes Nigel Farage look moderate. Thick Lizzie's policies are as destructive as anything Trump attempted in the States. Does anybody within her party have enough of a conscience to stop this before it goes any further? Gove is the sane one with the conscience I've never seen anything to support either of those ideas.
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Post by Someone in a tree on Oct 3, 2022 6:55:46 GMT
U-turn alert but yet Liz said yesterday that she was not for turning. I'm confused ...
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Post by theglenbucklaird on Oct 3, 2022 7:57:45 GMT
Gove is the sane one with the conscience I've never seen anything to support either of those ideas. Last twenty four hours is your proof
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Post by karloscar on Oct 3, 2022 11:18:32 GMT
I've never seen anything to support either of those ideas. Last twenty four hours is your proof Gove says whatever suits his current agenda. Just because his party leaders are madder and even more morally bankrupt than he is,doesn't make him a decent or sane human being.
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Post by theglenbucklaird on Oct 3, 2022 13:18:13 GMT
Last twenty four hours is your proof Gove says whatever suits his current agenda. Just because his party leaders are madder and even more morally bankrupt than he is,doesn't make him a decent or sane human being. That was kind of the joke of the original post wasn't it?
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Post by karloscar on Oct 3, 2022 18:25:33 GMT
Gove says whatever suits his current agenda. Just because his party leaders are madder and even more morally bankrupt than he is,doesn't make him a decent or sane human being. That was kind of the joke of the original post wasn't it? Oh sorry.i thought you were actually Michael Gove defending yourself as I couldn't imagine anyone else doing so. 🤪
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Post by mkb on Oct 3, 2022 21:35:24 GMT
Oh sorry.i thought you were actually Michael Gove defending yourself as I couldn't imagine anyone else doing so. 🤪 Let me try. Gove is most definitely a political opportunist who has demonstrated more than once that he will betray a close ally if it furthers his career. Yet, he argued for gay rights before it became fashionable/acceptable in the Tory party, and he has always made a good fist of mastering his ministerial briefs. He was the first minister to properly try to sort out the scandal over building cladding, which has stalled since he was sacked. And as he's someone of a similar age to me, I admire the fact that he's still up for a bit of nightclubbing and getting wasted. In that respect, he's a man after my own heart.
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Post by talkingheads on Oct 5, 2022 10:37:33 GMT
That programme that reads out text in Word documents has more personality than Truss is displaying in this speech.
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Post by Someone in a tree on Oct 5, 2022 11:45:12 GMT
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Post by talkingheads on Oct 5, 2022 12:09:19 GMT
Very accurate. Only a mug could believe that!
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Post by og on Oct 5, 2022 20:17:10 GMT
Don’t leave your hand under it too long though, it’s made from white chocolate.
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Post by theglenbucklaird on Oct 6, 2022 7:07:55 GMT
It’s a strange one changing trust for Truss. I just think of a chicken being strung up by it’s legs
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Post by karloscar on Oct 13, 2022 19:01:19 GMT
"Back again? Dear oh dear. Anyway...." Maybe I'm not as much of a republican as I thought. King Chuck has at least taken the heat off Nicola Sturgeon when it comes to demented Tories being utterly outraged by perfectly reasonable comments. It would be great if Keith Starwars opened PMQs with it every week from now on.
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