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Post by justfran on Nov 16, 2019 22:24:59 GMT
Disappointed not to see a score of 40 tonight! Agree that overall everyone did seem to up their game a bit and it’s nice to see the routines bigger with more dancers in the lovely Blackpool ballroom. In my opinion oxfordsimon has got it right and a nose ring doesn’t really fit in with the look and style of traditional ballroom routines. I think Michelle, Emma and Chris could be in trouble of being in the dance off. Chris and Karen looked like they were having a lot of fun in their routine. My personal favourite was Kelvin and I hope we’ll be seeing him in the final.
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Post by anthony40 on Nov 16, 2019 22:36:48 GMT
I'm predicting both Kelvin & Ottie and Krin & Ay in the final, as they have both been consistently outstanding throughout the series.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 16, 2019 22:53:07 GMT
Kelvin was technically excellent, not scrappy in the slightest. Only thing wrong was his free arm was a bit too bent but still a 10 from me, brilliant performance and miles better than the rest.
Karim was out of sync with Amy at times and the over-dancing is getting boring, he always looks as if he is putting in a monumental effort.
Emma's posture was dreadful towards the end and some of her footwork was a bit dubious, definitely not worth 10s.
I wanted to like Alex's dance more than I did - there wasn't enough of her actually dancing with Neil for me.
Saffron made mistakes, I suspect partly due to the speed of the music. Not as good as last week and the other dancers were distracting.
Chris barely danced any salsa, and Michelle barely danced at all. Posing and armography isn't good enough for Strictly.
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Post by Latecomer on Nov 16, 2019 22:56:14 GMT
I find this comment quite rude....a nose ring is a fashion choice and she should be free to choose whatever makes her feel good! Get over it! My opinion and I'm allowed to have it. Dont really care if you find it rude or not. And im sure she isnt going to get rid of it just because I dont like it. Get over it yourself! I find it offensive as you just stated “so unfeminine” as a closed sentence, like a judgement. So that’s a man telling a woman what is feminine. You didn’t say “I personally don’t like it” or “I find it unfeminine” I think you may need a little training on not being such an idiot. But perhaps pointing out that you are being a bit offensive is also unfeminine? I’ll shut up like women should.
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Post by lynette on Nov 17, 2019 0:26:07 GMT
She's lucky she hasn’t got my cold. 🤧🤧🤧
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Post by alece10 on Nov 17, 2019 8:54:48 GMT
My opinion and I'm allowed to have it. Dont really care if you find it rude or not. And im sure she isnt going to get rid of it just because I dont like it. Get over it yourself! I find it offensive as you just stated “so unfeminine” as a closed sentence, like a judgement. So that’s a man telling a woman what is feminine. You didn’t say “I personally don’t like it” or “I find it unfeminine” I think you may need a little training on not being such an idiot. But perhaps pointing out that you are being a bit offensive is also unfeminine? I’ll shut up like women should. Charming! First you tell me I'm rude now I'm an idiot. You have a good weekend now.
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Post by Latecomer on Nov 17, 2019 9:19:00 GMT
I find it offensive as you just stated “so unfeminine” as a closed sentence, like a judgement. So that’s a man telling a woman what is feminine. You didn’t say “I personally don’t like it” or “I find it unfeminine” I think you may need a little training on not being such an idiot. But perhaps pointing out that you are being a bit offensive is also unfeminine? I’ll shut up like women should. Charming! First you tell me I'm rude now I'm an idiot. You have a good weekend now. I’m sorry alece10, I was rather strident and a bit rude. It’s just it’s very hard being a woman sometimes. Starts early with all the pink toys and princess outfits and being told that “good” girls are nice and kind and, yes, feminine. While boys are “scamps” and “strong” and [mostly] superheroes! I think the stereotypes for girls are even worse than when I was growing up and sometimes I despair! I am sorry if I leapt on you in a grumpy fashion but if we don’t call it out how will we ever change things? I apologise for my tone but perhaps you could also have a read through of thoughts that you post and double check for unconscious stereotype judgements?
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Post by alece10 on Nov 17, 2019 11:28:59 GMT
Charming! First you tell me I'm rude now I'm an idiot. You have a good weekend now. I’m sorry alece10, I was rather strident and a bit rude. It’s just it’s very hard being a woman sometimes. Starts early with all the pink toys and princess outfits and being told that “good” girls are nice and kind and, yes, feminine. While boys are “scamps” and “strong” and [mostly] superheroes! I think the stereotypes for girls are even worse than when I was growing up and sometimes I despair! I am sorry if I leapt on you in a grumpy fashion but if we don’t call it out how will we ever change things? I apologise for my tone but perhaps you could also have a read through of thoughts that you post and double check for unconscious stereotype judgements? Thanks for the apology and explaining your reasoning behind the comments. I sometimes feel that written word can often be misinterpreted and I was definitely not implying anything in a sexist way. As a gay man the last thing on my mind is to offend a women, as I know what its like to be stereotyped, and now as I am getting older, I am starting to notice the ageist side of discrimination from people. Anyway all the best and enjoy the rest of the weekend.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 17, 2019 23:10:27 GMT
I am probably not the only one, but I think Strictly is getting worse and worse every year. I thought last year was bad enough but the judging is all over the place this year. I think Kelvin is average and a total novelty act. He should have gone Week 2 or 3. He is only staying because he gives all the Karen's of the UK a hot flush. It's like the judges don't care, they just fling whatever score they want out. I am hoping Karim wins, he's the best on there by a country mile and has been since the beginning. Michelle was too polished for the show, much like Ashley Roberts last year. Michelle is a master performer and unfortunately, her Blackpool number was too far out of the box for the general plebian audience. Such a shame. I hope the show gets axed soon, I really do. It's making people think that the average dirge they see on the TV is the epitome of dance, it's far from. Its presenting dance for the uncultured. We need better quality of dance on TV. Don't even get me started on that Greatest Dancer trash.
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Post by vdcni on Nov 18, 2019 4:16:27 GMT
I'm not going to claim Strictly is as strong as it used to be but I don't get this reasoning.
Sure Kelvin has benefited from a lot of hip focused Latin dances but I don't know how you can watch that Jive and describe him as a novelty act. I've been watching the show from the beginning and seen a lot of laboured Jives from contestants who would have loved to kick and flick like him.
Similarly viewing Michelle, short lived pop career and vogued a bit, as a more polished performer than Karim who went to Sylvia Young and appeared in West End musicals is a little odd. Don't get me wrong I don't really care about his past experience but it's been evident from the beginning and in the past female contestants with that type of background faced a lot of criticism which he has pretty much dodged. Michelle's problems with the voters were more obvious, American, strong personality and virtually unknown with the Strictly audience.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 18, 2019 9:03:07 GMT
I think Kelvin is average and a total novelty act. He should have gone Week 2 or 3. I agree with you that Strictly is generally getting worse each year, but labelling Kelvin a novelty act is just completely wrong. From a technical standpoint (and yes, I am a dancer so I'm not just making this up) he is often very good indeed, particularly in Latin (his ballroom could do with some work but no one is perfect). If you think he is average then you must think Chris, Emma and Alex are worse than dreadful, such is the technical gulf between them and Kelvin. Karim is very good, especially in ballroom, but he tries too hard and needs to work on making it look effortless and less frantic. Saffron has excellent ballroom technique for the most part but needs to improve her Latin. Michelle did a decent Foxtrot at Halloween, and her Rumba was ok, but otherwise I didn't particularly rate her from a technical or performance perspective (I can't recall seeing her smile once, which is a must for 4 of the 5 ballroom dances and 3 of the 5 Latin). Certainly in Blackpool she did neither, regardless of what it was meant to be (which definitely wasn't a Strictly dance).
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Post by stefy69 on Nov 18, 2019 9:38:35 GMT
I am probably not the only one, but I think Strictly is getting worse and worse every year. I thought last year was bad enough but the judging is all over the place this year. I think Kelvin is average and a total novelty act. He should have gone Week 2 or 3. He is only staying because he gives all the Karen's of the UK a hot flush. It's like the judges don't care, they just fling whatever score they want out. I am hoping Karim wins, he's the best on there by a country mile and has been since the beginning. Michelle was too polished for the show, much like Ashley Roberts last year. Michelle is a master performer and unfortunately, her Blackpool number was too far out of the box for the general plebian audience. Such a shame. I hope the show gets axed soon, I really do. It's making people think that the average dirge they see on the TV is the epitome of dance, it's far from. Its presenting dance for the uncultured. We need better quality of dance on TV. Don't even get me started on that Greatest Dancer trash. OMG what a totally pompous and condescending attitude.
Could go on but no point with such ignorance
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Post by karloscar on Nov 18, 2019 10:06:59 GMT
If it's SO bad, why the hell are you watching it every week to see just how awful it is? Pathetic really.
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Post by theatreian on Nov 18, 2019 10:30:17 GMT
I think Michelle suffered with public votes due to her attitude and work ethic. It doesn't always sit well with Brits. I am disappointed with her being out as I thought she would be in the final with Kelvin and Karim. What do I know! For those of us who do not know all the technical aspects of the dance we have to go with the judges and our own opinion on how good it was to watch I guess. It is an entertainment show primarily though and I don't think we should be getting so het up about it. It is a feelgood show which brightens up Saturday nights, something we all need at the moment.(That's my opinion anyway!)
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Post by BurlyBeaR on Nov 18, 2019 11:05:50 GMT
Let’s keep the focus on the programme please, and not calling people names because we don’t agree with their opinions.
That Vogue dance was a complete misfire. Many people who watch this show and who pick up the phone to vote do not occupy the same very narrow sphere of popular entertainment that Visage exists in. My friend was visiting his folks at the weekend and watched it with them, they’re in their 70’s and are devoted SCD viewers from the beginning. Apart from having no clue as to who she is, they really don’t know what Drag Race is let alone want to watch it, and when she started prattling on about “the community” they didn’t know what she was talking about. The whole Marie Antoinette vogue thing may be immediately recognisable to Madonna fans but beyond that... not so.
Whoever came up with the decision to do that dance completely alienated them from the voting public.
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Post by lynette on Nov 18, 2019 11:30:33 GMT
You are right BB. But a shame. All part of the drive for diversity i suppose, laudable but here not done well.
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Post by vdcni on Nov 18, 2019 12:02:12 GMT
Or you know Michelle's choice as she has said multiple times.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 18, 2019 12:18:40 GMT
I'm not going to claim Strictly is as strong as it used to be but I don't get this reasoning. Sure Kelvin has benefited from a lot of hip focused Latin dances but I don't know how you can watch that Jive and describe him as a novelty act. I've been watching the show from the beginning and seen a lot of laboured Jives from contestants who would have loved to kick and flick like him. Similarly viewing Michelle, short lived pop career and vogued a bit, as a more polished performer than Karim who went to Sylvia Young and appeared in West End musicals is a little odd. Don't get me wrong I don't really care about his past experience but it's been evident from the beginning and in the past female contestants with that type of background faced a lot of criticism which he has pretty much dodged. Michelle's problems with the voters were more obvious, American, strong personality and virtually unknown with the Strictly audience. That jive was poor. It's uncomfortable watching Kelvin dance. It's like watching your dad dance at a wedding. There was very little complex choreography. I've seen 8 year olds perform more complex routines with ease. He is unbelievably tense and hunched in all of his dances. His arms are never fully extended. He is stompy and heavy, yet lazy and lax at the same time. Such an awkward dancer but because he is a muscly, masculine man; he gets over the top praise for pushing the boundaries of dance... puh-lease. I never said Michelle was more polished than Karim. I did say Karim was the best by a country mile. Michelle was absolutely hindered by the generally uncultured Strictly audience. When the general public see something that they dont understand, their reaction is to think it's bad or less than, hence why she went home. Such a shame because she has danced flawlessly the entire series, but one avantgarde dance and she's gone. Stupid.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 18, 2019 12:22:02 GMT
I think Kelvin is average and a total novelty act. He should have gone Week 2 or 3. I agree with you that Strictly is generally getting worse each year, but labelling Kelvin a novelty act is just completely wrong. From a technical standpoint (and yes, I am a dancer so I'm not just making this up) he is often very good indeed, particularly in Latin (his ballroom could do with some work but no one is perfect). If you think he is average then you must think Chris, Emma and Alex are worse than dreadful, such is the technical gulf between them and Kelvin. Karim is very good, especially in ballroom, but he tries too hard and needs to work on making it look effortless and less frantic. Saffron has excellent ballroom technique for the most part but needs to improve her Latin. Michelle did a decent Foxtrot at Halloween, and her Rumba was ok, but otherwise I didn't particularly rate her from a technical or performance perspective (I can't recall seeing her smile once, which is a must for 4 of the 5 ballroom dances and 3 of the 5 Latin). Certainly in Blackpool she did neither, regardless of what it was meant to be (which definitely wasn't a Strictly dance). Emma was awful. Even her best dance, she was just thrown around the floor. She was a waif. Chris is very average as is Emma. I think they both should have been long gone by now. They are both just sailing through, nothing special. UPDATE: I just realised you meant the current Emma that's still in, I was talking about Emma Weymouth at the beginning of this comment. Erm, yeah Emma and Tony, just average. Her American Smooth was below average. How on earth she got two 10's, I will never know.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 18, 2019 12:23:44 GMT
I think Kelvin is average and a total novelty act. He should have gone Week 2 or 3. I agree with you that Strictly is generally getting worse each year, but labelling Kelvin a novelty act is just completely wrong. From a technical standpoint (and yes, I am a dancer so I'm not just making this up) he is often very good indeed, particularly in Latin (his ballroom could do with some work but no one is perfect). If you think he is average then you must think Chris, Emma and Alex are worse than dreadful, such is the technical gulf between them and Kelvin. Karim is very good, especially in ballroom, but he tries too hard and needs to work on making it look effortless and less frantic. Saffron has excellent ballroom technique for the most part but needs to improve her Latin. Michelle did a decent Foxtrot at Halloween, and her Rumba was ok, but otherwise I didn't particularly rate her from a technical or performance perspective (I can't recall seeing her smile once, which is a must for 4 of the 5 ballroom dances and 3 of the 5 Latin). Certainly in Blackpool she did neither, regardless of what it was meant to be (which definitely wasn't a Strictly dance). Saffron... Excellent ballroom technique? Hello?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 18, 2019 12:30:18 GMT
I think Michelle suffered with public votes due to her attitude and work ethic. It doesn't always sit well with Brits. I am disappointed with her being out as I thought she would be in the final with Kelvin and Karim. What do I know! For those of us who do not know all the technical aspects of the dance we have to go with the judges and our own opinion on how good it was to watch I guess. It is an entertainment show primarily though and I don't think we should be getting so het up about it. It is a feelgood show which brightens up Saturday nights, something we all need at the moment.(That's my opinion anyway!) I am not quite sure what work ethic you are getting from her. But I see a woman who's giving her absolute all every week, constantly training. That's part of the issue, most of the audience and some of the judging panel (it seems) have no idea about the technical aspect of dance. Competition is about technique and performance, full stop. Not about if Kelvin got your heart beating faster than a cheetah on speed. Too often people let emotion rule their judgement about dance when it should all come down to the black and white. Technique, technique, technique. If it doesn't, it just turns dance into a laughing stock and ruins the integrity of the art.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 18, 2019 12:31:14 GMT
I am probably not the only one, but I think Strictly is getting worse and worse every year. I thought last year was bad enough but the judging is all over the place this year. I think Kelvin is average and a total novelty act. He should have gone Week 2 or 3. He is only staying because he gives all the Karen's of the UK a hot flush. It's like the judges don't care, they just fling whatever score they want out. I am hoping Karim wins, he's the best on there by a country mile and has been since the beginning. Michelle was too polished for the show, much like Ashley Roberts last year. Michelle is a master performer and unfortunately, her Blackpool number was too far out of the box for the general plebian audience. Such a shame. I hope the show gets axed soon, I really do. It's making people think that the average dirge they see on the TV is the epitome of dance, it's far from. Its presenting dance for the uncultured. We need better quality of dance on TV. Don't even get me started on that Greatest Dancer trash. OMG what a totally pompous and condescending attitude.
Could go on but no point with such ignorance
Pleasure.
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Post by candela on Nov 18, 2019 13:20:03 GMT
Karim went to Sylvia Young & Kelvin had dance experience. People are probably warming to Alex, Emma & Chris as there seeing improvement. With Saffron i wonder if it because of AJ (there rumors he getting bit to big for his boots and really believes he going to be in the final (esp with Giovanni & Kevin not in there)
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Post by Deleted on Nov 18, 2019 13:44:42 GMT
Karim went to Sylvia Young & Kelvin had dance experience. People are probably warming to Alex, Emma & Chris as there seeing improvement. With Saffron i wonder if it because of AJ (there rumors he getting bit to big for his boots and really believes he going to be in the final (esp with Giovanni & Kevin not in there) I can say that I am warming to Alex. But do I think she's a good enough dancer? No. She's not very elegant when she needs to be. She has a nice energy, but it just doesn't cut the mustard.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 18, 2019 14:44:46 GMT
I agree with you that Strictly is generally getting worse each year, but labelling Kelvin a novelty act is just completely wrong. From a technical standpoint (and yes, I am a dancer so I'm not just making this up) he is often very good indeed, particularly in Latin (his ballroom could do with some work but no one is perfect). If you think he is average then you must think Chris, Emma and Alex are worse than dreadful, such is the technical gulf between them and Kelvin. Karim is very good, especially in ballroom, but he tries too hard and needs to work on making it look effortless and less frantic. Saffron has excellent ballroom technique for the most part but needs to improve her Latin. Michelle did a decent Foxtrot at Halloween, and her Rumba was ok, but otherwise I didn't particularly rate her from a technical or performance perspective (I can't recall seeing her smile once, which is a must for 4 of the 5 ballroom dances and 3 of the 5 Latin). Certainly in Blackpool she did neither, regardless of what it was meant to be (which definitely wasn't a Strictly dance). Saffron... Excellent ballroom technique? Hello? I'm a ballroom dancer, I know what I'm talking about. Her waltz last week was exquisite in terms of the footwork and most of the quickstep wasn't bad. If you're going to tell me you're a world ballroom champion and you disagree then by all means provide your credentials, but I am not making this up but am instead speaking from many years of dancing the exact same steps and knowing precisely how they should be danced (as indeed is Shirley in her comments). The use of heels and toes, the heel turns, the throwaway oversway and double reverse spin in her waltz were all excellent. That's all her, AJ can't do anything about any of that if she does it wrong on the dance floor but she doesn't. If you don't believe me I can point you to many more dancers who are far more experienced than me on other forums who are saying exactly the same thing. If you don't like what she dances then fine, but that doesnt mean it is technically poor. You can't state as fact that her ballroom technique is poor when in fact the opposite is true.
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