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Post by BurlyBeaR on Dec 14, 2023 19:26:21 GMT
Hello France…
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Post by oxfordsimon on Dec 16, 2023 20:42:50 GMT
Really exciting that Olly Alexander has just confirmed he is going to be the UK act for Sweden
A credible artist. Great work BBC
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Post by BurlyBeaR on Feb 7, 2024 18:18:11 GMT
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Post by BurlyBeaR on Feb 7, 2024 18:20:22 GMT
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Post by oxfordsimon on Feb 7, 2024 23:55:50 GMT
Given issues around misogyny in Spain over recent years, you would have thought they might be a little more sensitive.
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Post by my fairly obsessed lady on Feb 8, 2024 10:52:17 GMT
Spanish person here, the song is intended as empowering and it has a feminist message. It is ridiculing the fact that women get called "zorras" (b*tches) for being too independent, sexually active, assertive and/or successful. It is a reclamation of the word. Clearly, the author of the article couldn't read between the lines, but if one reads the lyrics of the song the message it's pretty straightforward.
There is no controversy here, the song is becoming a feminist anthem and a hit in Spain, it's only controversial for people who don't understand the song.
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Post by oxfordsimon on Feb 8, 2024 11:10:59 GMT
Spanish person here, the song is intended as empowering and it has a feminist message. It is ridiculing the fact that women get called "zorras" (b*tches) for being too independent, sexually active, assertive and/or successful. It is a reclamation of the word. Clearly, the author of the article couldn't read between the lines, but if one reads the lyrics of the song the message it's pretty straightforward. There is no controversy here, the song is becoming a feminist anthem and a hit in Spain, it's only controversial for people who don't understand the song. Spanish people don't get to vote for the song. So the lyrics need to appeal to voters round Europe. Reading them in translation is how people will encounter the words and that comes over as potentially offensive. If you have to explain your song, it has failed. |
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Post by my fairly obsessed lady on Feb 8, 2024 12:55:23 GMT
Spanish person here, the song is intended as empowering and it has a feminist message. It is ridiculing the fact that women get called "zorras" (b*tches) for being too independent, sexually active, assertive and/or successful. It is a reclamation of the word. Clearly, the author of the article couldn't read between the lines, but if one reads the lyrics of the song the message it's pretty straightforward. There is no controversy here, the song is becoming a feminist anthem and a hit in Spain, it's only controversial for people who don't understand the song. Spanish people don't get to vote for the song. So the lyrics need to appeal to voters round Europe. Reading them in translation is how people will encounter the words and that comes over as potentially offensive. If you have to explain your song, it has failed. We did vote for the song. In Spain, the song we send to Eurovision is chosen by the audience's vote in a contest. So first, the lyrics need to appeal to Spanish people, and then Europe. I think Eurovision would be more interesting if every country chose what they enjoy instead of what they think will appease the masses, but that is another whole story and another conversation. By "understand the song" I meant the message, not the language. Any decent translation will convey the literal meaning of the lyrics, but people will misunderstand what is trying to say even if it's written in English, Spanish or Swedish. The song is meant to be offensive, the word is offensive. But I don't think the lyrics need to tell you straight up that calling women b*tches is misogynistic. Are we 5 years old that we need everything to be spelt out? It is not like the lyrics are written in code, it is clear they are sarcastic if you pay any attention to them. If anything has failed here, it some people's reading comprehension. |
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Post by eliza on Feb 10, 2024 22:19:35 GMT
I finally made it to Eurovision last year after getting tickets in 2020 which obviously didn't happen, and I'm going to Malmo this year too, so excited!
My favourite song so far is Czech Republic, although my favourites are never normally the winners.
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Post by theatrefan62 on Mar 4, 2024 6:16:36 GMT
Underwhelmed by ours this year. I thought last years was better than this.
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Post by toomasj on Mar 4, 2024 11:52:12 GMT
It’s rubbish.
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Post by oxfordsimon on Mar 4, 2024 11:56:20 GMT
It has the potential to have the same energy as one of my favourite recent tracks - Rush by Troye Sivan
But it fails to break out of mid tempo dullness.
Perhaps it can be remixed to give it more impact.
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Post by mrnutz on Mar 4, 2024 11:58:34 GMT
The lyrics are nonsensical enough for it to do very well on the night.
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Post by lynette on Mar 4, 2024 14:45:31 GMT
Won’t it be very political this year? Even more than last? Ukraine getting lots of votes and countries that have not come out with call for immediate ceasefire getting very few. Israel of course, if they end up in the final, not getting any. It is so predictable and no longer the lovely festival of silly pop and youngsters that it started out as. There is always the Cyprus thing but it was never so hateful as stuff is now.
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Post by jojo on Mar 5, 2024 16:43:00 GMT
I've no particular view on the Spanish entry, except it's all very well reclaiming certain terms, but unless everyone who might be a victim of a term is on board with it, then it should still be used with caution. Especially if there are generational differences in attitudes.
Our entry is underwhelming, though it may grow on me. The real problem is Olly is not even an average live singer, and while a great vocal won't carry a dreary song, sending a weak vocalist to a live singing contest feels disrespectful. Maybe his celebrity will make up for that.
From what I've heard so far I like the Dutch entry.
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Post by hannechalk on Mar 5, 2024 22:52:13 GMT
From what I've heard so far I like the Dutch entry. It's growing on me too, for Eurovision it's perfect! Currently no. 6 on the bookmakers chart. Haaaaaaaaaakkkkkkkkkkkkuuuuuuuuuuuuh! |
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Post by Ranger on Mar 7, 2024 16:08:27 GMT
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Post by hannechalk on Mar 7, 2024 21:25:53 GMT
I think you posted the wrong link. |
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Post by Ranger on Mar 7, 2024 21:55:50 GMT
I think you posted the wrong link. h this is what I meant to post (Gangnam Style) |
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Post by oxfordsimon on Mar 8, 2024 20:15:51 GMT
Croatia are doing very well in the betting
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Post by criticalprole on Mar 8, 2024 23:50:03 GMT
I love the entries from the EBU biggest contributors (United Kingdom, France, Germany and Spain) , because they can honestly do whatever the hell they want. Spain lost the plot when it comes to Eurovision sometime in the 1990s.
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Post by oxfordsimon on Mar 9, 2024 23:22:09 GMT
Sweden just made a strong selection
Dazzling staging, catchy/commercial song
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Post by karloscar on Mar 10, 2024 12:11:31 GMT
There are quite a few contenders this year so there might not be a runaway winner which is great. Sweden, Lithuania and Australia are all immediately impactful, but something else might sneak up on the outside. Luxembourg is a bit of an earworm for me, and I love the French song but it might be too good for Eurovision unless there's a repeat of Portugal's victory from a few years ago. Olly will be lucky if he makes it onto the left side of the scoreboard and that will depend on how the song is staged and performed. There are a lot of strong singers and he's always been a bit weedy live.
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Post by jek on Mar 11, 2024 11:54:47 GMT
Finland have clearly gone for the batsh*t approach with Windows95man.
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Post by theatreian on Mar 11, 2024 14:52:49 GMT
For the first time the Big 5 and host country will perform their songs live in full in the semi finals. They are still automatically through to the final but at least will have the chance to perform it twice as the other finalist's do.
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