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Post by justfran on May 11, 2024 21:44:01 GMT
I haven’t seen all of the performances yet but none that have really impressed me so far. Olly’s performance was ok (we won’t win though). Surprised to see Malin Akerman presenting (27 Dresses is a classic film!).
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Post by interval99 on May 11, 2024 22:26:38 GMT
Has the EBU given any explanation at any point as to why it's ok to be political and ban Russia but not ok to ban Israel? In not doing the latter, they've made a rod for their own backs with all the contingent problems that have ensued. It's quite clear. Russia invaded the Ukraine without provocative. Hamas operating from Palestine on October 7th hunted down and slaughtered in Cold Blood men, woman and children including taking many hostages of all ages all under their mantra of wanting to destroy and wipe out Israel. Thankfully Israel is stronger than most current western governments and launched the response to rescue its people and to do its utmost to prevent the terrorist group to be able launch future sickening attacks as it did on that dark October day. If the eurovision contest had banned Israel for defending itself the message to the world would be terrorism wins. |
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Post by mkb on May 11, 2024 23:12:11 GMT
Has the EBU given any explanation at any point as to why it's ok to be political and ban Russia but not ok to ban Israel? In not doing the latter, they've made a rod for their own backs with all the contingent problems that have ensued. It's quite clear. Russia invaded the Ukraine without provocative. Hamas operating from Palestine on October 7th hunted down and slaughtered in Cold Blood men, woman and children including taking many hostages of all ages all under their mantra of wanting to destroy and wipe out Israel. Thankfully Israel is stronger than most current western governments and launched the response to rescue its people and to do its utmost to prevent the terrorist group to be able launch future sickening attacks as it did on that dark October day. If the eurovision contest had banned Israel for defending itself the message to the world would be terrorism wins. It's a pretty good rule that when anyone starts by telling you that something is "clear", they have a pretty weak argument. I could counter, but this board is really not the place for that. People can judge the reality themselves. |
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Post by londonmzfitz on May 11, 2024 23:17:32 GMT
Was sad Spain didn't do well, seemed to be such a hit in the arena.
Spent a couple of coins on France, which hit the button for me as a song contest entrant ...
Used to watch this as a family when I was a kid, honestly it felt a times tonight there were contestants on Eurovision on a bet to be as controversial as possible. Naked arses and willies. I *literally* was that angry old woman yesterday afternoon in Woking Town Centre shouting at young lads, one of whom had his hand down his trousers and having a play with his knob ... which they found hilarious.
Maybe I'm just too old for this now.
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Post by theatreian on May 11, 2024 23:24:17 GMT
Song wise it was the poorest contest for years. Switzerland wasn't my favourite but I'm not surprised it won. It was the favourite before the contest started when Croatia took over. Oh well that's it until 2025.
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Post by Jon on May 11, 2024 23:29:47 GMT
Does Switzerland have a venue that can host Eurovision? I assume they do otherwise they'd have to let one of their border countries do it on their behalf.
Ireland will be pleased with their result given it's their first time in the final for years, I didn't mind Olly Alexander but his act and song really doesn't stand out in Eurovision.
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Post by Deleted on May 12, 2024 1:12:27 GMT
Switzerland has some decent sized arenas which host concerts such as Hallenstadion so should be okay. They hosted it in 1989 so have some experience of doing it.
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Post by moorhunhe on May 12, 2024 1:46:17 GMT
I haven’t seen all of the performances yet but none that have really impressed me so far. Olly’s performance was ok (we won’t win though). Surprised to see Malin Akerman presenting (27 Dresses is a classic film!). Thanks! I've only seen bits throughout the evening, so didn't get her name, but it was bothering me so much where I knew her from! |
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Post by ncbears on May 12, 2024 6:22:31 GMT
Olly may not have been great, but not sure he was null points bad (from the public)
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Post by theatrefan62 on May 12, 2024 6:39:21 GMT
Olly may not have been great, but not sure he was null points bad (from the public) I thought he was, the song was weak already but his performance was poor and self indulgent. Another year where we send someone who can't sing live. We need to get back to prioritising sending people who can actually sing live. I thought Croatia was robbed, but not mad at Switzerland winning. Very poor year though in general, but in songs but also the event itself. That half time show was dire. |
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Post by amyja89 on May 12, 2024 7:47:21 GMT
One of the weakest years in memory across the board for me. I chucked a couple of votes to Spain and France, one for the fun camp and another for the actually song quality respectively. They were definitely filtering out crowd noice for Israel's performance and the moments when the delegation were directly on screen, and must not have been prepared for the moments when Martin was on screen because that's when the real volume of the discord seemed to be heard across the TV.
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Post by ceebee on May 12, 2024 8:00:42 GMT
I found Nemo's performance refreshingly straightforward compared to some of the nonsense acts and think they deserved to win. When I first heard Olly Alexander's track I thought it could be a slow-burner that might catch fire. However, I thought the staging was ridiculous. I've no idea what Graham Norton was on when he was complimenting the choreography. I realised a week or so ago from interviews that the UK entry was going to be the Olly Alexander show. Sadly he clearly doesn't have the talent to live up to his own hype - it's one thing to mix a great studio recording; it's another to perform that song properly on stage. Hopefully Nemo has set a new bar with their performance and future acts might think a bit more about their audience rather than their own self-indulgence.
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Post by viserys on May 12, 2024 8:05:59 GMT
I thought Croatia was robbed, but not mad at Switzerland winning. Same here - interestingly the second year in a row with a disconnect between the juries and the public vote - last year Finland was the audience favourite and would have won if the juries hadn't pushed Sweden's bland ditty, this year Croatia would have won, but at least Nemo was a worthy winner overall. I ended up watching with a Croatian friend and she commented that it was the best-possible outcome, Baby Lasagna king of the hearts, but Switzerland has to fork out to host the thing next year which Croatia was too broke for. |
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Post by BurlyBeaR on May 12, 2024 8:13:08 GMT
I cheered and applauded when Olly Alexander got nil points from the public vote. I’m sure he’ll try to bravado his way out of it but Europe has spoken Olly, nobody likes you.
I started this thread with France and think it was the best by far. Proper song, well sung, no gimmicks.
That Irish effort.. no words.
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Post by Rory on May 12, 2024 8:16:10 GMT
I cheered and applauded when Olly Alexander got nil points from the public vote. I’m sure he’ll try to bravado his way out of it but Europe has spoken Olly, nobody likes you. I started this thread with France and think it was the best by far. Proper song, well sung, no gimmicks. That Irish effort.. no words. Harsh. |
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Post by matttom0901 on May 12, 2024 8:22:00 GMT
I thought Croatia was robbed, but not mad at Switzerland winning. Same here - interestingly the second year in a row with a disconnect between the juries and the public vote - last year Finland was the audience favourite and would have won if the juries hadn't pushed Sweden's bland ditty, this year Croatia would have won, but at least Nemo was a worthy winner overall. I ended up watching with a Croatian friend and she commented that it was the best-possible outcome, Baby Lasagna king of the hearts, but Switzerland has to fork out to host the thing next year which Croatia was too broke for. Your friend was spot on! Completely agree |
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Post by crowblack on May 12, 2024 8:47:17 GMT
I ended up watching with a Croatian friend and she commented that it was the best-possible outcome, Baby Lasagna king of the hearts, but Switzerland has to fork out to host the thing next year which Croatia was too broke for. One feels this outcome was partly tactical from the national jury votes, so many giving it 12: it's a famously / notoriously politically 'neutral' country when it comes to wars and has shedloads of cash. I'd imagine large demonstrations and death threats aren't something that happen there (but I may be wrong). I don't 'get' the Olly Alexander phenomenon here in the UK (he was ok as a vampire monster in a tv show years ago but his skills don't live up to the hype & opportunities he's given here). It was a run of the mill song, neither better nor worse than some of the others, but his voice was flat and the staging here, cramped in a box dressed up to look like a smelly toilet, is just such a bizarre choice for a stadium audience and the dancing OTT for what used to be a family show. |
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Post by crowblack on May 12, 2024 9:06:45 GMT
Did anyone else find the staging particularly the lighting overpowering to the point of some acts being unwatchable on TV?It seemed to be everything all at once which was I guess spectacular in the arena but in close up migrane inducing. Yes - 'just because you can, doesn't mean you should'. It's interesting that the higher placed acts are the ones that look less 'Ai generated' (so many of the women in particular have been given that Ai, airbrushed look with barely-there costumes that look like the sci fi / fantasy stuff worn by female characters n in ads for computer games) |
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Post by hannechalk on May 12, 2024 9:15:13 GMT
I cheered and applauded when Olly Alexander got nil points from the public vote. I’m sure he’ll try to bravado his way out of it but Europe has spoken Olly, nobody likes you. People defending Olly with 'It's camper than Christmas, that's what Eurovision is about.'. It wasn't camp though, was it. It was filthy dancing in a public toilet. Spain's dancers - that was camp. He most likely didn't get zero points, by the way - the way I understand it you need to get a specific number of votes to fall within the points brackets. So he probably got some, but not enough. |
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Post by BurlyBeaR on May 12, 2024 9:24:43 GMT
Yeah, that’s the same as zero in my book 😀
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Post by theatrefan62 on May 12, 2024 9:31:11 GMT
Olly made it all about his sexuality under the guise of being progressive and representing LGBTQ+. But I don't see being overly sexual in a public toilet is progressive, it's actually really regressive and reaffirms harmful gay stereotypes. It wasn't fun camp, and it wasn't sexy.
He just can't sing live, everytime I've seen him he has been average at best, and there's so often 'sound issues'.
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Post by daisy24601 on May 12, 2024 9:39:15 GMT
Personally don't get the love for Croatia's song, but then I don't like gruff voices like that. Switzerland is a very worthy winner, I found myself wanting to go back and listen to it again.
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Post by crowblack on May 12, 2024 9:58:36 GMT
Someone posting the public vote breakdown says only Ukraine gave Switzerland 12 points in the public vote, which adds weight to the idea that the national juries were steering it in the direction of a conflict-neutral rich country.
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Post by BurlyBeaR on May 12, 2024 10:13:23 GMT
Why do we even have to have a jury vote? Back in the day, before the ability to have public voting yes, of course. But now? Get rid!
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Post by theatrefan62 on May 12, 2024 10:21:23 GMT
Someone posting the public vote breakdown says only Ukraine gave Switzerland 12 points in the public vote, which adds weight to the idea that the national juries were steering it in the direction of a conflict-neutral rich country. I did think it was very noticeable that the neutral countries were getting the majority of votes |
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