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Post by BurlyBeaR on Sept 8, 2022 18:15:56 GMT
God Save The King
Our new King has a very, very hard act to follow.
The King. It will take some getting used to saying that. I wish him well.
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Post by daisy24601 on Sept 8, 2022 18:24:40 GMT
It will indeed take some getting used to! Most of us have only ever known a queen.
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Post by Dr Tom on Sept 8, 2022 18:27:16 GMT
We all enjoy theatre, so we'll still know plenty of queens.
Good luck to King Charles III. It is a big role to take on as a pensioner.
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Post by ncbears on Sept 8, 2022 19:30:15 GMT
Question: Is Charles "king" now - or does it await his coronation?
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Post by kathryn on Sept 8, 2022 20:00:01 GMT
Charles is King now. He became King at the moment the Queen died.
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Post by sfsusan on Sept 8, 2022 20:00:19 GMT
Question: Is Charles "king" now - or does it await his coronation? My understanding is he is king now, and will take over duties effective immediately. Coronation generally takes place months after the previous monarch's death, so the continuity is important. Edward VIII was never crowned, but reigned for almost a year before abdicating to be known as the Duke of Windsor.
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Post by Dawnstar on Sept 8, 2022 21:24:53 GMT
I was very pleased when the announcement referred to "The King and the Queen Consort". After years of the press speculating as to whether Camilla would be Queen Consort or only Princess Consort or suchlike it is such a relief that she is definitely getting to be Queen.
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Post by karloscar on Sept 8, 2022 21:33:50 GMT
My aging auntie is more upset at the thought of Queen Camilla than she is at the Queen passing. She won't be alone i fear.
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Post by sukhavati on Sept 8, 2022 22:26:42 GMT
My aging auntie is more upset at the thought of Queen Camilla than she is at the Queen passing. She won't be alone i fear. Unfortunately there are those who would condemn a couple of mismatched people to a miserable co-existence because of antiquated notions of dogma, duty, or other excuse. The CoE owes its very existence to divorce. Charles has seemed so much happier and relaxed since he and Camilla made it official. Good luck to both of them. It must be awful to have trained for a job all your life that requires the death of a beloved parent for you to take over the role.
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Post by kathryn on Sept 8, 2022 22:44:45 GMT
I was very pleased when the announcement referred to "The King and the Queen Consort". After years of the press speculating as to whether Camilla would be Queen Consort or only Princess Consort or suchlike it is such a relief that she is definitely getting to be Queen. That was announced a while ago. To be honest that was probably the first sign that the Queen’s health was on the decline and that the Firm were preparing for Charles to succeed her.
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Post by alece10 on Sept 9, 2022 10:30:04 GMT
As a Cornish man I'm interested to know if William will now become Duke of Cornwall?
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Post by n1david on Sept 9, 2022 10:48:15 GMT
As a Cornish man I'm interested to know of William will now become Duke if Cornwall? Yes, he became Duke of Cornwall immediately on his grandmother's death. He's currently Duke of Cambridge and Cornwall. Question is whether his dad also bestows Prince of Wales on him.
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Post by kathryn on Sept 9, 2022 10:59:14 GMT
It’d be a real shock if William didn’t become POW!
The open question is whether Edward gets made Duke of Edinburgh - it’s what Prince Philip originally wanted but Charles is apparently not that keen? Although the gossip on that could obviously be totally wrong.
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Post by Jon on Sept 9, 2022 11:06:01 GMT
It’d be a real shock if William didn’t become POW! The open question is whether Edward gets made Duke of Edinburgh - it’s what Prince Philip originally wanted but Charles is apparently not that keen? Although the gossip on that could obviously be totally wrong. He can't exactly give it to Harry. I wonder if Prince George might get a title now he's third in line?
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Post by FairyGodmother on Sept 9, 2022 11:07:08 GMT
I think Edward should have a royal Dukedom. He and Sophie will have to do a lot more work than maybe originally planned for them (no Andrew, no Harry and Meghan, the Kents and Gloucesters are really very elderly now).
He's taken over the Duke of Edinburgh award scheme in recent years, so it would fit well with that.
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Post by Jon on Sept 9, 2022 11:10:35 GMT
I think Edward should have a royal Dukedom. He and Sophie will have to do a lot more work than maybe originally planned for them (no Andrew, no Harry and Meghan, the Kents and Gloucesters are really very elderly now). He's taken over the Duke of Edinburgh award scheme in recent years, so it would fit well with that. Charles' plan for a slimmed down Royal Family will likely go into effect quite quickly.
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Post by FairyGodmother on Sept 9, 2022 11:35:00 GMT
I think it's in danger of being slimmed to the point they'll run out! The Cambridge children are too little to be working royals yet, and he was meant to have Harry and Meghan.
Even if he, Camilla and Anne (although she has a full timetable already) do more, they're not going to be able to cover everything. There's still a few of the Queen's cousins doing engagements too, but they're very elderly now so there'll be a natural slimming down there.
That's why I think Edward and Sophie will end up doing more, not less.
(I thought the rough plan even when slimmed was Monarch + spouse, monarch's siblings, monarch's children plus whoever of the older generation was still around. So for example Edward, Harry and Charlotte would all be working royals, but their children wouldn't.)
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Post by Jon on Sept 9, 2022 11:43:18 GMT
I think it's in danger of being slimmed to the point they'll run out! The Cambridge children are too little to be working royals yet, and he was meant to have Harry and Meghan. Even if he, Camilla and Anne (although she has a full timetable already) do more, they're not going to be able to cover everything. There's still a few of the Queen's cousins doing engagements too, but they're very elderly now so there'll be a natural slimming down there. That's why I think Edward and Sophie will end up doing more, not less. (I thought the rough plan even when slimmed was Monarch + spouse, monarch's siblings, monarch's children plus whoever of the older generation was still around. So for example Edward, Harry and Charlotte would all be working royals, but their children wouldn't.) I wonder if Lady Louise and her brother James may end up taking royal duties until the Cambridge kids are older. I can't imagine the Yorks will get a look in.
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Post by alece10 on Sept 9, 2022 13:44:40 GMT
Just watching King Charles shaking hands with people outside Buckingham Palace has just reminded me of when my own mother died in 2002. That day my dad and I were a bit lost to be honest and it happened to be the same day that Prince Charles was visiting our town in his role as Duke of Cornwall. So we decided to go up onto The Parade where he was due to open a new town museum. He decided to do a walkabout and we both got the chance to meet him and shake his hand. So seeing the footage just now brought back that memory.
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Post by distantcousin on Sept 9, 2022 14:52:13 GMT
We all enjoy theatre, so we'll still know plenty of queens. Good luck to King Charles III. It is a big role to take on as a pensioner. LOLZ! I was going to say similar - still plenty of old queens in my life. I think I'll cope!
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Post by kathryn on Sept 9, 2022 15:07:20 GMT
I think it's in danger of being slimmed to the point they'll run out! The Cambridge children are too little to be working royals yet, and he was meant to have Harry and Meghan. Even if he, Camilla and Anne (although she has a full timetable already) do more, they're not going to be able to cover everything. There's still a few of the Queen's cousins doing engagements too, but they're very elderly now so there'll be a natural slimming down there. That's why I think Edward and Sophie will end up doing more, not less. (I thought the rough plan even when slimmed was Monarch + spouse, monarch's siblings, monarch's children plus whoever of the older generation was still around. So for example Edward, Harry and Charlotte would all be working royals, but their children wouldn't.) I believe the plan was Monarch, Children and grandchildren. The spin is always that this is about reducing costs, and the gossip that Charles’ sibling rivalry contributed to the desire to phase out Andrew, Edward, Anne and their kids. Not necessarily even spouses of the children and grandchildren involved - (well, apart from The Princess of Wales) - which is where some of the Meghan trouble originated, since she was suddenly touted by some as an modernising force that would save the Royals from irrelevancy (and keen to play that part and forge a role as a Royal - even I can concede that her California-keenness is irritating!). That just did not fit with the plan, and must have been taken as an insult. Harry leaving is a problem for them. Andrew stepping back before time is also a problem. People haven’t adjusted their expectations of how much work a slimmed-down monarchy can feasibly do, and how the rest of the family is going to generate their income when they are not publicly financed, and what that means in terms of commercial activity with Royal connections (which is absolutely inevitable - the idea that Royals shouldn’t use their connection to the Crown for commercial benefit is really very modern, it was always thus and human nature does not change). It’s clear that Edward and Sophie are very keen to do more and have a higher profile public role. The question is will Charles face up to the fact that there is too much ‘work’ for a smaller group?
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Post by BurlyBeaR on Sept 9, 2022 17:13:34 GMT
William is Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall. Catherine is Princess of Wales.
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Post by n1david on Sept 9, 2022 17:18:27 GMT
William is Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall. Catherine is Princess of Wales. And still Duke of Cambridge. And Duke of Rothesay. Must be one hell of a big business card.
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Post by BurlyBeaR on Sept 9, 2022 17:57:37 GMT
As Nick Witchell said earlier, just call him Prince William. It trumps everything.
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Post by steve10086 on Sept 9, 2022 18:49:13 GMT
How long are they gonna keep up this nonsense of referring to Camilla as “Queen Consort”? I don’t remember ever hearing King George VI’s wife referred to as “Queen Consort” in any old newsreel footage before she became “Queen Mother”. They were “The King & Queen”.
I know it’s the correct definition of Camilla’s position, but it’s not a natural way of speaking.
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Post by Dawnstar on Sept 9, 2022 19:27:23 GMT
That was announced a while ago. To be honest that was probably the first sign that the Queen’s health was on the decline and that the Firm were preparing for Charles to succeed her. I know the Queen announced that was what she wanted to happen but I was still worried in case it didn't happen. During the King's address this evening I was just about holding it together until he started talking about his wife & that she would be Queen consort & then I was properly crying. How long are they gonna keep up this nonsense of referring to Camilla as “Queen Consort”? I don’t remember ever hearing King George VI’s wife referred to as “Queen Consort” in any old newsreel footage before she became “Queen Mother”. They were “The King & Queen”. I know it’s the correct definition of Camilla’s position, but it’s not a natural way of speaking. I'm hoping they're only doing it at the moment because they don't want any mix ups between references to the just-deceased Queen regnant & references to the new Queen consort & that they'll stop once the funeral & mourning period are over. If not then yes it will get annoying. I'm open to them using Queen Camilla for a while if they're still worried about any mix ups with Queen Elizabeth. That's how references were done in the 1910s when Queen Mary & Queen Alexandra were both in the public eye, although from what I've read Queen Mary was still referred to as just the Queen when there weren't any possible confusion issues.
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Post by jojo on Sept 9, 2022 19:29:46 GMT
They were saying on the news that they are calling her that for now to differentiate between her and THE QUEEN, who to most of us is Elizabeth II. I think they'll start to drop the Consort bit more and more as time goes by and as context makes it obvious which queen they are talking about.
One of my old lady neighbours hated Camilla. She thinks she's responsible for Diana's death. And being Catholic and divorced is also bad, and I suspect the latter informed the former. I remember her having a rant about how she couldn't understand how William could put up with her at his wedding after she'd 'killed his mother ...'
I said in the other thread that a slimmed down monarchy is easier said than done. It's a good idea in theory, and I do think it's necessary, but it comes with reducing the overall amount of hand shaking and ribbon cutting, and then what do you do with the spares? I'm sure I read something about minor royals in other royal families having proper jobs, like being a nurse or architect or similar. Those jobs work well because they require a qualification, not a surname or a PR team to progress, so it removes concerns about milking the brand.
Hopefully Anne can play a prominent role, and I've warmed to Edward and Sophie. Andrew to become a hermit please.
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Post by steve10086 on Sept 9, 2022 19:37:17 GMT
Thanks Dawnstar and jojo - yes, to differentiate them makes total sense.
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Post by Jon on Sept 9, 2022 20:10:36 GMT
Until George, Charlotte and Louie are old enough, I imagine the Wessexes will handle a lot of their duties but given George is only 9, that is still over a decade and a half at least
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Post by FairyGodmother on Sept 9, 2022 22:07:55 GMT
I'm sure I read something about minor royals in other royal families having proper jobs, like being a nurse or architect or similar. Those jobs work well because they require a qualification, not a surname or a PR team to progress, so it removes concerns about milking the brand.. The Dutch King used to fly for KLM. I think he might still do on occasion so he can keep his licence.
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