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Post by kathryn on Jan 10, 2020 13:11:37 GMT
www.princeofwales.gov.uk/what-duchy-originals-it-anything-do-duchy-cornwallThis is obviously the model they want to use for ‘Sussex Royal’. The income will support their charitable foundation and their work as Royals, instead of having to take money from Duchy of Cornwall and Sovereign Grant. They’re not ‘personally profiting’ from being Royals, they’re seeking to generate an income to support their work as Royals. Honestly, it took me 20 minutes to gather all of the info I have posted in this thread from reading the FAQs on their website a couple of days ago. The fact that there is so much misinformation still circulating is proof, if it were needed, that the press campaign against them has worked. They can’t get fair and accurate information out there, because the press megaphone drowns them out.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2020 13:24:00 GMT
If they want to be celebrities and get paid for it, why not. I mean NSFW she could end up in the jungle chewing kangaroo testicles... as going by that press release, she already seems to be getting practice in on... Edward always had those Theatrical leanings and with her being a fully trained actress they could all do a Panto together - The House of York are an all in one - Baron Hardup, Wicked Stepmother and Ugly Sisters or they could draft Mike Tindall in as one ugly sister with his broken nose from his rugby days. Harry could be Dandini so he'd get to be Prince for a day.
As regards the photo, it was the immediate heirs, Prince Phillip, no future Queen Consorts or William's other children who are all ahead of Harry in the succession line.
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Post by jojo on Jan 10, 2020 18:32:31 GMT
I find this all a huge fuss over not particularly much. If it is true that the announcement was made without prior warning to the Queen etc, then that is rubbish, but the general concept is fine. It's just taking a backwards step away from the lime-light, managing their work accordingly and taking less money from the state. I think they might be kidding themselves slightly with the idea of being "self-sufficient" in any meaningful sense, but I won't hate on them for trying.
I'm far more angry at the likes of Piers Morgan who has hounded the couple, and especially Megan, like a stalkerish man who was turned down for a date, inciting all kind of additional hate. Which is a lot considering how hateful he and some of his peers have been towards them in recent months. It may be a little bit fair to say that the couple, along with most famous people including the rest of the royals, are a bit spoilt and so on, but there can be no doubt that a large chunk of the writers for particular publications are either racist themselves, or more than willing to pander to the racists for a pay cheque.
The main tactic from the press is to reframe the whole thing as Megan vs the Queen, when the reality is that Harry has prioritised the health and wellbeing of his wife, child, and himself, over an out of control and hateful press. Even if we are to believe the Queen is distraught and not keen on Megan, I'm very sure she much prefers her to Sarah Vine.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 11, 2020 1:20:06 GMT
There are rumours he might be offered the Governor General role. If Meaghan cannot cope with the press intrusion then how would she have got on if she had married a Hollywood A Lister or one of these High Profile Tech Millionaires. I get it that she has had to give up her career but she must have been more used to publicity and been more media savvy than Kate who took on a much bigger Royal role.
I still wonder if Charles might decide to "trim" Harry's income and when William becomes the heir then he'll control the Duchy of Cornwall.
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Post by bimse on Jan 11, 2020 9:59:17 GMT
I know a few people on this board don’t like others expressing any view that differs from theirs, but right now my thoughts are with “ordinary” people, who for example, are struggling to get to work and keep their jobs due to our transport infrastructure that isn’t fit for purpose, the increasing numbers of homeless people on our streets which is heartbreaking , people who have to sell their homes to pay for care when they’ve worked and paid taxes all their lives supposedly to include provision for themselves and others with social and health care.
Most people are just concerned with getting by and struggling through the mess this country has become, through a lack of public spending, while other countries seem to be prospering very nicely (I’m not saying there aren’t problems in all countries, just that some countries seem to have more money available for their infrastructure and social and health care ). They’re not concerned with the woes of these privileged people.
The actions of this privileged couple are typical of the royal family and many of our politicians , who are out of touch and probably never give the above a second thought . Talk about bad timing, on the back of Prince Andrews self important actions, this couple now expect the public to rally behind them and support them , same as Andrew did.
If they are capable of being self sufficient financially, they must do that if they so wish, but they shouldn’t take any more money from the public or a “firm” they no longer want to work for (if it’s 6 months on 6 months off they’re looking for, that’s a damned check) My point is they are irrelevant to most of the public who are just struggling to get by.
Welcome to Northern Rail , Harry and Meghan !
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Post by bimse on Jan 11, 2020 10:02:22 GMT
Why do people keep going on about the Frogmore cottage renovation? This has been answered a million times. It's part of historic royal palaces, owned by the Queen, she has a responsibility to maintain it, and the maintenance was due anyway. They didn't get £2m spent on them, the Queen spent it on routine maintenance. Then then paid for their own redecoration, fixtures and fittings. They are tenants of the Queen - the Queen still owns the property. As for the wedding - can you imagine the howls of outrage if it had not been a big public affair? If they'd eloped and married in secret? (The only way to avoid it costing a fortune in security arrangements). The press would have been livid. We certainly had a massive boost to visitor numbers due to it, and a whole bunch of British business made money out of it. We didn't 'pay for them to get married', we paid for a huge public event that promoted the country around the world. It's really, really stupid to claim that was a benefit to them - I'd bet anything they'd have had a lot more fun if they could have had a private wedding. Fair enough, if they want to be financially independent and are capable of being so, then they should pay the appropriate rent to the Queen. This self important and privileged couple, same as Andrew, are irrelevant to many in this country who are simply struggling. It’ll be interesting to see how they get by without taking money from the public or the royal family . |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 11, 2020 10:44:07 GMT
I know a few people on this board don’t like others expressing any view that differs from theirs, but right now my thoughts are with “ordinary” people, who for example, are struggling to get to work and keep their jobs due to our transport infrastructure that isn’t fit for purpose, ......... Well, why aren’t papers like the Mail, Express, Times, even the Mirror being enraged about that then? Where are the campaigns to arouse public grievance over these things? People are, yet again, being comprehensively played by what they are given to read. There are things that deserve people to be aggrieved over, yet those who are sidetracked onto blaming peripheral (and often financially minimal) matters are the ‘useful idiots’ that stop what does matter being addressed. We need to remove the outsized power given to media owners, Only then will the issues you raise be at the centre of public debate. As it is stuff like the Royals and Celebrities are used as distractions and, sadly, too many people hare off after the distraction. |
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Post by bimse on Jan 11, 2020 11:14:43 GMT
I know a few people on this board don’t like others expressing any view that differs from theirs, but right now my thoughts are with “ordinary” people, who for example, are struggling to get to work and keep their jobs due to our transport infrastructure that isn’t fit for purpose, ......... Well, why aren’t papers like the Mail, Express, Times, even the Mirror being enraged about that then? Where are the campaigns to arouse public grievance over these things? People are, yet again, being comprehensively played by what they are given to read. There are things that deserve people to be aggrieved over, yet those who are sidetracked onto blaming peripheral (and often financially minimal) matters are the ‘useful idiots’ that stop what does matter being addressed. We need to remove the outsized power given to media owners, Only then will the issues you raise be at the centre of public debate. As it is stuff like the Royals and Celebrities are used as distractions and, sadly, too many people hare off after the distraction. Trust you @cardinal Pirelli. These privileged people are irrelevant to many people who are struggling , and who are contributing to their keep . Who are you calling “useful idiots “ ? |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 11, 2020 11:53:23 GMT
Well, why aren’t papers like the Mail, Express, Times, even the Mirror being enraged about that then? Where are the campaigns to arouse public grievance over these things? People are, yet again, being comprehensively played by what they are given to read. There are things that deserve people to be aggrieved over, yet those who are sidetracked onto blaming peripheral (and often financially minimal) matters are the ‘useful idiots’ that stop what does matter being addressed. We need to remove the outsized power given to media owners, Only then will the issues you raise be at the centre of public debate. As it is stuff like the Royals and Celebrities are used as distractions and, sadly, too many people hare off after the distraction. Trust you @cardinal Pirelli. These privileged people are irrelevant to many people who are struggling , and who are contributing to their keep . Who are you calling “useful idiots “ ? Aren’t you saying that people are not focussing on what matters? Doing away with the Royals would help nobody financially in this country, quite possibly even reducing income though tourism etc. It’s a sideshow. Now look at who is spreading this hate. That one of the main hate and grievance spreaders is the wife of a senior government member is not a surprise. Politicians deflecting from their own failure by distracting the public with whatever the new scapegoat is. Many people will have realised, it’s those that haven’t who are (in Lenin’s purported phrase) ‘useful idiots’. Blithe to their role in helping government deflect attention from their own failures. |
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Post by BurlyBeaR on Jan 11, 2020 12:21:28 GMT
If the royals didn’t do stupid things there would be no grievances to spread though would there? You don’t see hate or grievances spread about The Queen because she never does anything remotely controversial. Same for Charles since he remarried. William and Kate are doing fine with the press aren’t they? (I don’t read the popular newspapers so I’m not up to speed). But then you get the Sarah Ferguson’s of this world, idiots like Andrew and his appalling behaviour, Harry lecturing us on climate change whilst using private jets, or Meghan writing messages to sex workers on bananas do you expect it to pass without comment or criticism?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 11, 2020 12:42:28 GMT
If the royals didn’t do stupid things there would be no grievances to spread though would there? You don’t see hate or grievances spread about The Queen because she never does anything remotely controversial. Same for Charles since he remarried. William and Kate are doing fine with the press aren’t they? (I don’t read the popular newspapers so I’m not up to speed). But then you get the Sarah Ferguson’s of this world, idiots like Andrew and his appalling behaviour, Harry lecturing us on climate change whilst using private jets, or Meghan writing messages to sex workers on bananas do you expect it to pass without comment or criticism? All of those have been the chosen punchbag at any one time for the press. Do people really have such short memories? Until now they haven’t really fought back, though, so this is different in some ways. You do list the Daily Mail talking points however, so if you don’t read the popular newspapers, it just shows that their cancerous spread of innuendo, half truths, supposition and lies has a large reach (even up to the loaded term ‘lecturing’). The one you mention that is deserving of continued examination and exposure is Andrew, he has consorted with criminals and been accused himself, the others maybe a comment piece or two and nothing more, most definitely not a concerted campaign to attack, destabilise and destroy. This is the first time I can remember a Royal really fighting back, I hope that Harry feels that he needs to continue doing so and that he doesn’t just want to escape (thus putting the papers’ next choice of victim in the firing line). |
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Post by BurlyBeaR on Jan 11, 2020 12:45:35 GMT
The banana thing and Harry’s flying habits both made tv and radio news. Are you saying those stories didn’t merit the coverage?
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Post by vdcni on Jan 11, 2020 12:55:45 GMT
I know a few people on this board don’t like others expressing any view that differs from theirs, but right now my thoughts are with “ordinary” people, who for example, are struggling to get to work and keep their jobs due to our transport infrastructure that isn’t fit for purpose, the increasing numbers of homeless people on our streets which is heartbreaking , people who have to sell their homes to pay for care when they’ve worked and paid taxes all their lives supposedly to include provision for themselves and others with social and health care. Most people are just concerned with getting by and struggling through the mess this country has become, through a lack of public spending, while other countries seem to be prospering very nicely (I’m not saying there aren’t problems in all countries, just that some countries seem to have more money available for their infrastructure and social and health care ). They’re not concerned with the woes of these privileged people. The actions of this privileged couple are typical of the royal family and many of our politicians , who are out of touch and probably never give the above a second thought . Talk about bad timing, on the back of Prince Andrews self important actions, this couple now expect the public to rally behind them and support them , same as Andrew did. If they are capable of being self sufficient financially, they must do that if they so wish, but they shouldn’t take any more money from the public or a “firm” they no longer want to work for (if it’s 6 months on 6 months off they’re looking for, that’s a damned check) My point is they are irrelevant to most of the public who are just struggling to get by. Welcome to Northern Rail , Harry and Meghan ! Yes and our press spend more time attacking Harry and Meghan than pursuing the government that has caused or ignored most of these problems. My thoughts are also with the average person which is why I'm tired of the hysteria over Harry and Meghan while the government and business get away with it. Maybe the likes of the Daily Mail and Piers Morgan should have cared as much about Boris Johnson throwing public money at his American mistress. |
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Post by danb on Jan 11, 2020 13:09:20 GMT
For me it’s the people doing the criticising and their intentions that are the problem; they all seem to come from a similar ‘area’ of society. If H&M continue to take public funds for no output I would have a problem with it. Otherwise it really isn’t my business and good luck to them. We only know what the press want to tell us so we should take it all with a pinch of salt.
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Post by danb on Jan 11, 2020 13:16:28 GMT
The banana thing and Harry’s flying habits both made tv and radio news. Are you saying those stories didn’t merit the coverage? The banana thing was a spur of the moment, slightly misguided quirky attempt to brighten some peoples day. I’m not sure how else Harry would spread the word across the commonwealth? A podcast? A q&a on his insta? The world has moved on from stiff upper lip, cardboard cut out figureheads. |
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Post by BurlyBeaR on Jan 11, 2020 13:26:39 GMT
The banana thing and Harry’s flying habits both made tv and radio news. Are you saying those stories didn’t merit the coverage? The banana thing was a spur of the moment, slightly misguided quirky attempt to brighten some peoples day. I’m not sure how else Harry would spread the word across the commonwealth? A podcast? A q&a on his insta? The world has moved on from stiff upper lip, cardboard cut out figureheads. None of which are words usually associated with the Royal Family, therefore controversial and destined to make the news. As for Harry and the flying, to make speeches about reducing the number of flights we take, and to then take a private jet appeared to be hypocritical and highly newsworthy. The flack continued until he admitted in a tv interview that he wasn’t perfect, that we can all do better and was then very publicly seen taking an easyJet flight. After that, it was no longer a story in the channels I get news from. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 11, 2020 16:16:14 GMT
So there’s a clip going around where Harry was caught telling the Disney CEO that Meghan was available for roles. Back in July, at the Lion King premiere. It’s rather cringe to be honest, rather Fergie/Andrew level. But this step back appears to have been planned for ages.
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Post by starofwonder on Jan 11, 2020 19:18:52 GMT
Meghan gave birth in May 2019 in a dismal summer , weather wise
she witnessed June... the wettest june on record and probably thought back to
California and all that sunshine and blue skies and thought...
first chance and Im outta here....
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Post by danb on Jan 11, 2020 22:14:45 GMT
Do people really believe everything they’re fed by the tabloid press and peoples publicists? It would account for the popularity of ‘Love Island’ I guess.
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Post by theatreian on Jan 11, 2020 22:33:35 GMT
It just seems the whole situation is far more complex than the couple may have realised, hence the mistake in rushing their announcement until more detailed discussions had taken place. Hopefully some compromise from all sides can see a satisfactory conclusion to this.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 11, 2020 22:34:06 GMT
No of course not. And you dont need to as its Meghan and Harry's own actions and words that people can clearly see. Plus as one royal correspondent said, the couple themselves have ended up confirming a lot of what the press was reporting anyway. in their documentary that was meant to be about the people of Africa, they themselves as good as confirmed the strained relations with his family.
Ironically they are doing exactly what Diana did wrong, thinking they are above criticism and trying to use the press to only report the good or get their side across via third parties. When they are called out for being hypocritical or going about things the wrong way they dont like it.
The more that is coming to light the more obvious that this has been planned for a long time and they never intended to do royal duties anyway. This should have all been sorted behind closed doors then announced when everything was in place.
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Post by samuelwhiskers on Jan 12, 2020 0:49:40 GMT
The banana thing and Harry’s flying habits both made tv and radio news. Are you saying those stories didn’t merit the coverage? Harry’s mentioned climate change like twice and flew to France. Meghan I don’t recall ever talking about climate change. William and Kate have made climate change one of their pet causes and won awards for it, but they travel by private jet far more and to way more far flung locations, William even gave a lecture on the dangers of overpopulation while expecting his third child! The Queen gifted them their own helicopter, and they have a regular arrangement with the Duke of Westminster’s private jet. Not to mention having two empty planes flown across the country for a PR stunt. By any objective standards they are x10 times bigger hypocrites when it comes to climate change, yet the press don’t say a word about it. Ditto the huge fuss the press made about Frogmore (and the tabloids admitting to making up loads of lies about that) while William and Kate have spent insane amounts of money on things like moving their tennis court 36ft so it would have a nicer view, ripping out an unused kitchen, or redecorating her parents’ house using royal funds on the grounds William spent time there so it was a valid security issue, again not a word of criticism. Many of the minor royals live rent-free in royal residences (including Zara and even Sarah Ferguson!), no one says a word even though they are not working royals. Harry and Meghan do large numbers of engagements and charity work yet get slammed for not paying rent? The press made a big deal out of a handful of Sussex staffers quitting (even though one of them “quit” to take up a promotion as Meghan’s secretary, and one had simply delayed a retirement announced pre-Meghan to help her settle in) and used it to falsely claim there was a huge staff exodus and proof Meghan is a nightmare. But far more staff have left the Cambridge household over the past two years, including two who left under dodgy circumstances, almost no media coverage. Heck go back to the wedding, Meghan got trashed for burning scented candles because the church smelled musty, but Kate did literally exactly the same thing at her wedding. There’s a consistent history of Meghan being roundly attacked by a tabloid press desperate to spark outrage for things all the other royals do without anyone raising an eyebrow, often with almost no media coverage at all. The stuff the press aren’t printing about William makes Harry and Meghan’s drama look like toddlers fighting in a sandpit. They don’t get an easy ride because they’re boring and well-behaved, but because of other agendas. |
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Post by duncan on Jan 12, 2020 1:18:13 GMT
Do people really believe everything they’re fed by the tabloid press and peoples publicists? It would account for the popularity of ‘Love Island’ I guess. No. But people who sneer at the cultural habits of others really are the pits. |
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Post by danb on Jan 12, 2020 7:10:30 GMT
Do people really believe everything they’re fed by the tabloid press and peoples publicists? It would account for the popularity of ‘Love Island’ I guess. No. But people who sneer at the cultural habits of others really are the pits. 🙋♂️ |
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Post by Someone in a tree on Jan 12, 2020 9:18:45 GMT
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