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Post by danb on Jan 12, 2020 9:27:46 GMT
Hit them where it hurts!  I hope you're not sneering at the cultural habit of using instagram as a method of expressing dissatisfaction there SIAT? Because we know that that actually IS the highest form of intelligence. 🤦♂️ |
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Post by BurlyBeaR on Jan 12, 2020 10:06:35 GMT
Family in crisis!
Queen summons son and grandsons to palace for talks.
😯 👑
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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2020 10:08:45 GMT
If the royals didn’t do stupid things there would be no grievances to spread though would there? You don’t see hate or grievances spread about The Queen because she never does anything remotely controversial. Not lowering the flag to half mast when Diana died? Half the country where baying for her blood back then I seem to remember............. |
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Post by BurlyBeaR on Jan 12, 2020 10:17:55 GMT
If the royals didn’t do stupid things there would be no grievances to spread though would there? You don’t see hate or grievances spread about The Queen because she never does anything remotely controversial. Not lowering the flag to half mast when Diana died? Half the country where baying for her blood back then I seem to remember............. Well, going back over 20 years then, yes she made that mistake and she got annihilated for it by the press. You reinforce my point. |
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Post by samuelwhiskers on Jan 12, 2020 10:37:21 GMT
While ignoring all of mine...
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Post by Dave25 on Jan 12, 2020 10:43:56 GMT
In most other countries it is very common for siblings of the heir to the throne to do whatever they want and often people do not even really know what they look like as they are not often in the media and press. Some of them work in home rental industry, others work in car companies, hotels, PR, one even was a singer. So it's all relative.
I think it's the British press that makes the only difference. Also, in the eyes of the world Brexit is isolating the country in a way. Meghan is a hard working, passionate, self-made woman. Harry has always been a rebel. They want and need to be free. Not isolated. They are less limited in their world views than some people would like them to be. They want to do much more in life.
They don't want their kid to (only) grow up in the UK in its current state. I can't really blame them.
Isolation and indoctrination is never the solution to anything. It's based on fear.
If I was the queen I would support them and understand that my identity is not based on my function and that personal growth and happiness is always above that.
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Post by edi on Jan 12, 2020 12:28:38 GMT
Trust you @cardinal Pirelli. These privileged people are irrelevant to many people Aren’t you saying that people are not focussing on what matters? Doing away with the Royals would help nobody financially in this country, quite possibly even reducing income though tourism etc. It’s a sideshow. I seriously believe most people outside of the UK (or commonwealth) don't care that much about the UK royal family and they would come to see England as tourists regardless. I am from an European country and I wasn't even aware of the royal family until I moved here. Just the same way as most British people don't care about other countries' royal family. It might be different for common wealth countries but I still don't think anyone visits the UK because of the royals. |
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Post by kathryn on Jan 12, 2020 20:47:56 GMT
Do people really believe everything they’re fed by the tabloid press and peoples publicists? It would account for the popularity of ‘Love Island’ I guess. As long as at reinforced their prejudices, yes, sadly. |
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Post by kathryn on Jan 12, 2020 21:03:33 GMT
This self important and privileged couple, same as Andrew, are irrelevant to many in this country who are simply struggling. It’ll be interesting to see how they get by without taking money from the public or the royal family . It will be interesting, indeed. Potentially very positive, too, in the long term. Some people do appear to have very short memories (it was only a few years ago that the press were calling William ‘work-shy Will’ and Kate a ‘social climber’) the relationship between the Royals and the press has been dysfunctional for a very long time. Shaking up how the press are managed to enforce some basic journalistic standards and take some of the sensationalism and distortion out of coverage could help a lot - not least by creating space for the valid and serious criticism that gets swept aside by the soap opera stuff. |
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Post by londonpostie on Jan 12, 2020 21:10:44 GMT
I seriously believe most people outside of the UK (or commonwealth) don't care that much about the UK royal family and they would come to see England as tourists regardless. The financial argument doesn't seem too helpful becasue a democracy needs a Head of State anyway - separation of powers between elected politicians and another office. If you don't separate you can end up a basket case i.e. the USA. So you still have to fund the office of the Head.
tbh, it's a fairly spurious argument imo, it's the 6th largest economy in the world. The quality of democracy is not something we need to skimp on.
Plus the Queen is also the Head of State of 15 other countries, inc. Australia, Canada, NZ, etc. So they would care.
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Post by theglenbucklaird on Jan 12, 2020 21:29:23 GMT
If the royals didn’t do stupid things there would be no grievances to spread though would there? You don’t see hate or grievances spread about The Queen because she never does anything remotely controversial. Not lowering the flag to half mast when Diana died? Half the country where baying for her blood back then I seem to remember............. Voted for Brexit. Oh no that was just 48% and we are leaving that issue now |
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Post by kathryn on Jan 12, 2020 21:33:16 GMT
Yes, all of those historic buildings and all that art that attracts the tourists would need to have their upkeep paid for regardless of whether they were actually being used as residencies for real people or not. And they would still need security because of the valuables.
That wouldn’t go away even if we became a Republic.
I remember when the tabloids had a bee in their bonnet about Princess Michael of Kent being allowed to live in a grace and favour apartment in Kensington Palace rent free and the sums they kept quoting of how much she wasn’t paying. And I was like, hang on, it’s not like apartments in Kensington Palace would ever be placed on the market for commercial rental, or would ever be sold - can you imagine the outcry?! - so where on Earth are they getting the figures from? If they weren’t being used as residencies they’d be empty, or they’d be used as offices, maybe - they certainly wouldn’t be generating the amount of money the papers were claiming she was not having to pay. It was a total nonsense.
Eventually the Palace gave in and started paying some form of rent for the apartment on the couple’s behalf, because as far as the Queen was concerned she had given them it as a wedding gift and intended to honour it. It must be some kind of weird financial fudge though - the Queen personally paying money to The Crown Estate, which then pays the SG back to her. What a palaver - and all to keep the tabloids happy.
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Post by hal9000 on Jan 13, 2020 1:16:01 GMT
It’s clear that Meghan was willing to wear demure clothing, stand by her man, smile a permanent rictus smile and go to town halls and drop in centres and hospitals to make appearances. What I am sure she didn’t realise is that she would be hounded and insulted for weeks on end in the international press for wearing a one shoulder dress, her security asking the public not to take pictures of her watching sport, cradling a baby bump and eating avocados. After all, when Kate Middleton did all those things - ALL THOSE THINGS - and she was praised for being respectively chic and stylish, carefully of her privacy, an excited future mother and a healthy eater. When Kate did them she was respectfully was accused of wearing a cheap and overtly sexual dress, being so arrogant to assume people would want her picture anyway, showing off her stomach like a Kardashian posing for social media and causing international deaths with her favourite snack. Even given her pregnancy and maternity leave, she has done a lot appearances and charitable work as expected. And if you consider William’s statement in The Times: “I’ve put my arm around my brother all our lives and I can’t do that any more; we’re separate entities,” he told a friend. And that’s Meghan’s fault. Then maybe William and the rest of the Royal Family shouldn’t leak stories about Harry and Meghan to distract from William’s own adultery rumours, or Andrew’s latest sex trafficking story, or Philip’s driving and all the rest of it. Yet if you follow Piers Morgan’s twitter feed, whilst accusing everyone who disagrees with him with fat-right dog-whistles like “virtue signaller”, “woke”, “PC”, along with the more ordinary jones of “obsessed”, “vulgar” and “abusive, hysterical, whiny, self-righteous, comically ill-informed piece”. This coming from a man who has sent l over 150 tweets and retweets since the Instagram post. It’s very interest to note that he claims his photograph with Ghislaine Maxwell was a one off during a single party. Where as his single beer with Meghan has him acting like a spurned lover. What Morgan and the rest are annoyed about is that Harry is choosing to be a good husband and father. Read more: theatreboard.co.uk/thread/7540/prince-harry-meghan?page=8#ixzz6Arw19kHK |
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Post by BurlyBeaR on Jan 13, 2020 17:11:22 GMT
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Post by BurlyBeaR on Jan 13, 2020 17:18:02 GMT
Yet if you follow Piers Morgan’s twitter feed, whilst accusing everyone who disagrees with him with fat-right dog-whistles like “virtue signaller”, “woke”, “PC”, along with the more ordinary jones of “obsessed”, “vulgar” and “abusive, hysterical, whiny, self-righteous, comically ill-informed piece”. This coming from a man who has sent l over 150 tweets and retweets since the Instagram post. It’s very interest to note that he claims his photograph with Ghislaine Maxwell was a one off during a single party. Where as his single beer with Meghan has him acting like a spurned lover. Most people are not following anyone on Twitter, let alone Piers Morgan’s twitter feed. Are you? This brings up the question of why people who are denouncing that this or that publication as being terrible are still reading it and more importantly publicising it. That’s the “spreading cancer’ referred to earlier isn’t it? |
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Post by vdcni on Jan 13, 2020 18:19:16 GMT
Even if you don't follow or spread it you still see this stuff on Twitter. Though often people tend to screen shot it to limit its impact.
That said I think at last people have realised the best response is to just block these people since the controversy is mostly the point. I rarely see Katie Hopkins stuff these days for example but Piers Morgan hasn't tipped outside the mainstream in the same way.
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Post by starofwonder on Jan 13, 2020 19:09:16 GMT
HRH must still be furious with Harry for making this public
the way he did last wed
He has created this media storm when this matters could have
been discussed discreetly behind closed doors
Harry is very very niave and foolish
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Post by Deleted on Jan 13, 2020 20:01:25 GMT
HRH must still be furious with Harry for making this public the way he did last wed He has created this media storm when this matters could have been discussed discreetly behind closed doors Harry is very very niave and foolish As the press had Harry's plans leaked to them (The Sun, surprise, surprise), it was either let them do it or pre-empt them. Again, and I repeat. This was the tabloids that caused this. |
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Post by lynette on Jan 13, 2020 22:08:36 GMT
Going out on a limb here but Meghan and Harry are doing the Royal Family and us all a real favour. Strip the Royals down to the direct line for ceremonials and symbolic purposes, all good for tourists etc. Then the rest of them can do what other ‘royals’ in Europe do, that is live normal lives and get pulled in for the ribbon cutting. The biggest favour anyone can do for the Royal family is rescue them from this unhealthy obsession our media has [and some foreign media] and give those little kids a chance of a proper life, a career, privacy and fulfilment as they see it. George is direct line and poor kid, doomed to the role but let all the rest be free.
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Post by starofwonder on Jan 13, 2020 22:46:57 GMT
Seeing how their mindset is right now, its surprising that only 1 and 1/2 years ago they
had such a mega wedding .... televised and covered by the world's media and press...
Its a wonder Meghan did nt insist on a small , private wedding away from
the glare of publicity
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Post by kathryn on Jan 13, 2020 23:51:48 GMT
You really think they *wanted* that hugely intrusive hullabaloo over their wedding?!
Royal wedding watching is practically a sport for the press and a certain section of the public - internationally as well as here. It couldn’t *not* be a public event. The press would have gone absolutely apocalyptic if they’d have been denied their show.
They are having hysterics now about the fact they are going to be denied access to the show in future.
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Post by hal9000 on Jan 14, 2020 2:31:14 GMT
Apologies for not editing my post before submitting. The following paragraph should read... When MEGHAN did them she was respectfully was accused of wearing a cheap and overtly sexual dress, being so arrogant to assume people would want her picture anyway, showing off her stomach like a Kardashian posing for social media and causing international deaths with her favourite snack. It’s clear that Meghan was willing to wear demure clothing, stand by her man, smile a permanent rictus smile and go to town halls and drop in centres and hospitals to make appearances. What I am sure she didn’t realise is that she would be hounded and insulted for weeks on end in the international press for wearing a one shoulder dress, her security asking the public not to take pictures of her watching sport, cradling a baby bump and eating avocados. After all, when Kate Middleton did all those things - ALL THOSE THINGS - and she was praised for being respectively chic and stylish, carefully of her privacy, an excited future mother and a healthy eater. When Kate did them she was respectfully was accused of wearing a cheap and overtly sexual dress, being so arrogant to assume people would want her picture anyway, showing off her stomach like a Kardashian posing for social media and causing international deaths with her favourite snack. Even given her pregnancy and maternity leave, she has done a lot appearances and charitable work as expected. And if you consider William’s statement in The Times: “I’ve put my arm around my brother all our lives and I can’t do that any more; we’re separate entities,” he told a friend. And that’s Meghan’s fault. Then maybe William and the rest of the Royal Family shouldn’t leak stories about Harry and Meghan to distract from William’s own adultery rumours, or Andrew’s latest sex trafficking story, or Philip’s driving and all the rest of it. Yet if you follow Piers Morgan’s twitter feed, whilst accusing everyone who disagrees with him with fat-right dog-whistles like “virtue signaller”, “woke”, “PC”, along with the more ordinary jones of “obsessed”, “vulgar” and “abusive, hysterical, whiny, self-righteous, comically ill-informed piece”. This coming from a man who has sent l over 150 tweets and retweets since the Instagram post. It’s very interest to note that he claims his photograph with Ghislaine Maxwell was a one off during a single party. Where as his single beer with Meghan has him acting like a spurned lover. What Morgan and the rest are annoyed about is that Harry is choosing to be a good husband and father. Read more: theatreboard.co.uk/thread/7540/prince-harry-meghan?page=8#ixzz6Arw19kHK |
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Post by hal9000 on Jan 14, 2020 3:03:58 GMT
Yet if you follow Piers Morgan’s twitter feed, whilst accusing everyone who disagrees with him with fat-right dog-whistles like “virtue signaller”, “woke”, “PC”, along with the more ordinary jones of “obsessed”, “vulgar” and “abusive, hysterical, whiny, self-righteous, comically ill-informed piece”. This coming from a man who has sent l over 150 tweets and retweets since the Instagram post. It’s very interest to note that he claims his photograph with Ghislaine Maxwell was a one off during a single party. Where as his single beer with Meghan has him acting like a spurned lover. Most people are not following anyone on Twitter, let alone Piers Morgan’s twitter feed. Are you? This brings up the question of why people who are denouncing that this or that publication as being terrible are still reading it and more importantly publicising it. That’s the “spreading cancer’ referred to earlier isn’t it? No, it’s not. I do not follow Piers Morgan on Twitter but he frequently appears in my timeline. I follow many people on opposite ends of any spectrum, such as Barack Obama and Donald Trump, or the leaders of both popular parties in Australia where I live and am a subject of the Queen. I work in the Communications department of a local university so I am aware of what popular trends are in the media, be they traditional or the echo chamber of social media. If I pretended to be unaware of Morgan’s work it does not mean it ceases to exist. |
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Post by hal9000 on Jan 14, 2020 3:05:49 GMT
Seeing how their mindset is right now, its surprising that only 1 and 1/2 years ago they had such a mega wedding .... televised and covered by the world's media and press... Its a wonder Meghan did nt insist on a small , private wedding away from the glare of publicity Given how Archie’s small baptism ceremony was covered by the media, I hazard a guess that a similarly low-key wedding would not have gone down well. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2020 8:24:58 GMT
You really think they *wanted* that hugely intrusive hullabaloo over their wedding?! I don't know, but you certainly seem to have some inside knowledge into their brains that the rest of us aren't privy to! The fact is that there was nothing legally stopping them from eloping or just doing something private without press attention (like Zara Tindall did) - they aren't in the direct line of succession so it wasn't the wedding of a future King. They chose not to, they even chose to give an engagement interview, so yes they did choose to deal with the media circus that rightly or wrongly comes with all of that. |
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