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Post by BurlyBeaR on Jan 8, 2020 20:16:16 GMT
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Post by dontdreamit on Jan 8, 2020 20:21:25 GMT
Although hasn’t Charles wanted to slim down the royal family for a while?
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Post by londonpostie on Jan 8, 2020 20:48:59 GMT
Klaxon sounded for me with the self descriptor "senior" - perhaps the mark of Markle.
I hope the former actor and ex-army guy share any discoveries in working to become financially independent.
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Post by talkingheads on Jan 8, 2020 21:46:59 GMT
Good on them I say. The Royal Family these days seems like such a poisonous pit.
That said I do wish them luck in their struggle to become financially independent...
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Post by Deleted on Jan 8, 2020 22:09:48 GMT
Although hasn’t Charles wanted to slim down the royal family for a while? Yes, but because he wants the focus to be on the immediate line of succession. This includes Harry and his children, so throws a bit of a spanner in the works... particularly if they move to Canada. I have nothing against Meghan and really feel like she has been an escape goat at times because people didn’t want to accept the truth about Harry: he is his mother’s son and dislikes the restrictions of royal life. I think Harry has done well to carve his own way within the family as it is, setting up the Invictus Games etc and seems to have at least tried to find a purpose. I suspect this is the reason behind the supposed rift between Harry and William, especially if the plan is to move to Canada. But I don’t see it necessarily as a bad thing. It’s not like Harry and Meghan are going to start appearing on reality shows, doing trashy magazine covers and moving next door to the Kardashians. I think they could do a lot of good in the humanitarian field for a variety of causes (without the restriction of protocol, like his mother) but it must a bit of a kick for Charles and William to know their way of life isn’t enough anymore. I think it’s a shame for William though. I think everyone expected Harry to become this sort of Princess Anne figure in terms of quiet duty to the crown, ready to support Charles and then William when the time comes. Depending on how things go, by the time William becomes king there could be no other senior blood royals for him to turn to and rely on other than his own children. Maybe that King Charles III play was onto something though  |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 8, 2020 22:31:57 GMT
Although some of the press and online stuff went too far, they did bring a lot of the criticism on themselves. Monarchy isnt being a celebrity and if you are going to preach to people you have to back it up by being authentic yourselves.
Sadly the patterns of behaviour in Meghan are starting to ring bells with a lot of people. Dropping friends and family as you work your way up, now Harry is being cut off from his family. I hope I'm wrong but anyone who has encountered similar people before can spot the signs.
I think it's best for all concerned if they go their own way without the royal tag. Wouldnt surprise me if she acts again within a few years.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 8, 2020 22:44:18 GMT
The demonisation of Markle has been typical of the rancid British press, leading to people just parroting what they say with nothing but them to back up their view. Same in many areas of British life, sadly.
I’m watching season 3 of The Crown at the moment, I imagine that the Queen’s memories of Margaret’s life being the no longer useful ‘spare’ strikes a chord with her. Different times but a definite resonance with her own sibling.
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Post by theatreian on Jan 8, 2020 22:44:21 GMT
It is a pity the way things have gone. If they didn't consult with Prince Charles and the Queen prior to making their announcement it seems to be the height of disrespect.
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Post by vdcni on Jan 8, 2020 22:52:52 GMT
I've never really understood what Meghan is supposed to have done wrong.
If she and Harry need to step aside to avoid the worst of the tabloids and the weird irrational dislike of people who don't know her and who have nothing better to do then fair enough.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 8, 2020 22:56:50 GMT
I don't really see that the royal family have done anything wrong here. They have learnt from the past and allowed Harry to marry Meghan, they supported Meghan (more than Kate got), Meghan even went with the queen on an engagement...something quite unheard of so early on. The Sussexs have also gone through a lot of staff. Now obviously we dont know the reasons why but at any organisation if staff turnover goes up then it's not unusual to look at the bosses |
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Post by johnnyutah on Jan 8, 2020 23:06:54 GMT
Although some of the press and online stuff went too far, they did bring a lot of the criticism on themselves. Monarchy isnt being a celebrity and if you are going to preach to people you have to back it up by being authentic yourselves. Sadly the patterns of behaviour in Meghan are starting to ring bells with a lot of people. Dropping friends and family as you work your way up, now Harry is being cut off from his family. I hope I'm wrong but anyone who has encountered similar people before can spot the signs. I think it's best for all concerned if they go their own way without the royal tag. Wouldnt surprise me if she acts again within a few years. Never ever understood this "celebrity" canard beyond a nakedly snide way of othering his wife. It's amazing how the parvenu Kate Middleton's rise up the social ladder was never scrutinised in the same vein. Meghan's neither Wallis Simpson or Lady Macbeth. The last time I checked the Duke of Sussex is a fully grown man. If they've decided to pare down on the royal gig, I'm pretty sure he had the casting decision. Regarding dropping her family, I personally wouldn't want to associated with anyone who thinks publishing a highly personal private correspondence is a valid means of reconciling with a loved one. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 9, 2020 0:47:06 GMT
As far as I'm concerned they can do what they like, but if they are going to step back completely then that includes ALL of their financial privileges - no more taxpayer-funded security or travel (Or house renovations), no more contribution from either the sovereign grant or the Duchy of Cornwall (the latter is more debateable, but I don't see why it should find upkeep outside working royals - it is only Prince Charles' income because of his position as the Duke, not strictly his money) and they have to find their own way and live off their own money.
Presumably that will also include carbon offsetting all the flights between the UK and Canada as well, particularly if they do intend to jump between the two often.
I do have limited sympathy for them though - yes the press can be brutal, but Meghan didn't go into all of this blind, in fact she had media attention years previously as an actress. She has shown much less willing to adapt to the protocol and traditions of the Royal Family than they have shown to adapt to her, and it does in that respect seem a tad self-righteous. But if she is genuinely struggling and that is what she needs to do, then so be it.
Deciding not to forewarn or consult the Queen before releasing a press statement of that magnitude is pretty unforgivable though. I can imagine the mood in Buckingham Palace is rather frustrated and angry at the minute.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 9, 2020 1:05:37 GMT
I've never really understood what Meghan is supposed to have done wrong. I’ve just read their new media policy on their website. Utter madness. Sounds like they’re going to be selling exclusives now. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 9, 2020 1:49:59 GMT
Using Piers Morgan as a reliable source is an interesting move.....
Ask anyone where the get their ‘facts’ from and you can usually get them to admit it is via press (biased and unreliable) or broadcasting (limited in scope and often biased and unreliable). People flinging such supposition around are just passing on second or third hand material which, at some point bears the mucky fingerprints of such as Piers Morgan.
It took self immolation by Prince Andrew on national television for the press to put him anywhere near that level of incandescence. That tells you all you need to know about what the press are.
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Post by kathryn on Jan 9, 2020 2:01:15 GMT
I don't really see that the royal family have done anything wrong here. They have learnt from the past and allowed Harry to marry Meghan, they supported Meghan (more than Kate got), Meghan even went with the queen on an engagement...something quite unheard of so early on. The Sussexs have also gone through a lot of staff. Now obviously we dont know the reasons why but at any organisation if staff turnover goes up then it's not unusual to look at the bosses I’m sorry - ‘allowed Harry to marry Megan’?! What century are we living in?! What possible reason was there for them not to marry? There would have been a serious legal challenge had they attempted to stop Harry marrying Megan - Harry has the same ‘right to family life’ as everyone else under human rights law. |
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Post by kathryn on Jan 9, 2020 2:10:06 GMT
As far as I'm concerned they can do what they like, but if they are going to step back completely then that includes ALL of their financial privileges - no more taxpayer-funded security or travel (Or house renovations), no more contribution from either the sovereign grant or the Duchy of Cornwall (the latter is more debateable, but I don't see why it should find upkeep outside working royals - it is only Prince Charles' income because of his position as the Duke, not strictly his money) and they have to find their own way and live off their own money. They’re not going to step back completely, according to the FAQs they’ve put online. They are saying they will continue to do royal duties as requested. They also say that the security arrangements are up to the home office. All private travel they have always funded themselves - it’s only funded by taxpayers when they are working. They’re giving up Sovereign grant money so they can earn professional income - I don’t doubt that they can earn considerably more than what they were getting from it. I get the impression they’d be quite happy to give up royal duties entirely, actually. This may be step 1 of a plan to do that. Oh, and the house renovations would have been done anyway. They were scheduled as part of the historic palace maintenance programme. They paid for the internal decor and furnishings themselves. Seriously think a big part of this is they’re fed up of being told they are ‘spending tax payer money’ when they’re not. They’d rather be earning their own so that people stop calling them scroungers. |
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Post by hal9000 on Jan 9, 2020 2:48:23 GMT
The reason why Harry and Meghan posted their statement was to get ahead of The Sun. Someone, probably from the greater Royals camp, had leaked the news to the tabloid.
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Post by BurlyBeaR on Jan 9, 2020 7:06:42 GMT
“Queen furious” 😁
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Post by vdcni on Jan 9, 2020 7:20:21 GMT
I've never really understood what Meghan is supposed to have done wrong. I’ve just read their new media policy on their website. Utter madness. Sounds like they’re going to be selling exclusives now. So nothing then. |
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Post by duncan on Jan 9, 2020 9:23:49 GMT
I've never really understood what Meghan is supposed to have done wrong. Various American, and I mist stress these are not UK, gossip sites I read have been saying for over a year that she has been leaking stories to US magazines/websites and this seems to have upset the UK hacks who think they should be getting all of the exclusives. UK hacks have essentially doubled down on supporting Kate as she is the one who will still be around* Clearly the Queen doesn't read these same sites as this move was predicted by them months ago. Well played the Prince Henry though for realising, about 30 years before Uncle Andrew did in his cycle, that once the actual heir starts having further heirs then those further down the chain become a complete irrelevance. Maybe he can go and make something of his life outside of the Royal bubble and not become a tedious embarrassment like his Uncle Andrew. * - well maybe |
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Post by talkingheads on Jan 9, 2020 9:52:30 GMT
I've never really understood what Meghan is supposed to have done wrong. I’ve just read their new media policy on their website. Utter madness. Sounds like they’re going to be selling exclusives now. Any opinion held by Piers Morgan I feel duty bound to think the complete opposite. What he has described there is... the act of getting married. She hasn't abandoned anybody, it's called growing up, something he could do with doing at some point in his very sad little life. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 9, 2020 9:57:44 GMT
Although some of the press and online stuff went too far, they did bring a lot of the criticism on themselves. Monarchy isnt being a celebrity and if you are going to preach to people you have to back it up by being authentic yourselves. Sadly the patterns of behaviour in Meghan are starting to ring bells with a lot of people. Dropping friends and family as you work your way up, now Harry is being cut off from his family. I hope I'm wrong but anyone who has encountered similar people before can spot the signs. I think it's best for all concerned if they go their own way without the royal tag. Wouldnt surprise me if she acts again within a few years. Never ever understood this "celebrity" canard beyond a nakedly snide way of othering his wife. It's amazing how the parvenu Kate Middleton's rise up the social ladder was never scrutinised in the same vein. Meghan's neither Wallis Simpson or Lady Macbeth. The last time I checked the Duke of Sussex is a fully grown man. If they've decided to pare down on the royal gig, I'm pretty sure he had the casting decision. Regarding dropping her family, I personally wouldn't want to associated with anyone who thinks publishing a highly personal private correspondence is a valid means of reconciling with a loved one. Yes Kate absolutely got treated the same, her and her family, the families company and being 'middle class' were picked apart for years plus the infamous topless photos. As I said Meghan and Harry have had a lot of support, and that's been visible not just what's reported in the press. If they had just worked with the palace and not against it then a balance could have been struck and none of this would have happened. But they seem intent on going against everything without compromise. They have come across as a bit righteous and as often happens, they dont like when people question them I think a lot of people initially felt sorry for Meghan and Harry. But there are two sides to every story and elements of what her family, ex husbands and former friends have suggested potentially are starting to be seen. Like I said, if you've had controlling people in your lives (either directly or indirectly) you can spot patterns. Maybe she is, maybe she isnt, but there are certainly some similarities. Not telling the queen shows an unforgivable lack of respect. Even if you forget shes 'The Queen', she is his grandmother and I would never dream of treating mine in a similar way. And I dont know any who would. Also they want to hand pick the reporters they work with...hmmm..that sounds familiar. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 9, 2020 10:20:17 GMT
So I heard (off salacious anonymous website) that they already have bought a home in LA and after a discrete pause she will return to acting out there. The Americans will LOVE the actress and the prince!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 9, 2020 10:36:26 GMT
Using Piers Morgan as a reliable source is an interesting move..... Can’t stand the man personally, but it is the answer (in part) to the question. Look at how many likes the tweet has - that is suggestive of a public opinion. I’ve nothing against Meghan personally, though I do think they’ve both made things difficult for themselves unnecessarily. This is just my view but it seems that Harry has this sort of blind devotion and is losing himself in his wife and marriage... at the expensive of his relationship with his brother, father and now grandmother. Attempting to take a modern approach and find a position that works within the firm is admirable, but it has to be approved. You can’t respect the traditions of the institution one minute (such as asking the Queen for permission to marry) and then blindside her the next. |
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Post by samuelwhiskers on Jan 9, 2020 10:37:55 GMT
Dropping friends and family as you work your way up, now Harry is being cut off from his family . That was actually proven not to be true. She’s still by all accounts really close to all her maternal family and her old school/college friends (they all attended the wedding and baby shower). The only people she’s become estranged from are her insane father (who she’s been estranged from off and on since she was a teenager) and one woman she briefly worked with who’s been selling her out to the press since she first met Harry. |
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