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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2017 9:11:22 GMT
A few thoughts - the play revival noms are utterly mucked up, This House is a transfer/return engagement, not a revival. Yerma is a new play not a revival. Uncle Vanya at the Almeida astonishingly forgotten, also for acting awards where Paul Rhys at the very least should have been nominated. Many new plays were more accomplished than Elegy. No acting noms for The Flick? Because they aren't 'names' I presume. Considering Yerma was written in 1934, it'd be a stretch to call it a new play. Maybe you've not seen it but this is the outline of Yerma with completely new text. At best you could say that it is a response to the original play but it is most definitely way beyond what Lorca wrote. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2017 10:06:04 GMT
Considering Yerma was written in 1934, it'd be a stretch to call it a new play. No, Simon Stone wrote this Yerma after Lorca's Yerma. It's a new play. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2017 10:39:25 GMT
The difference with the shows on Broadway, is that they have all been produced and done previously, in the US. Maybe not on Broadway, but they have been seen before,therefore it's a revival.
Dreamgirls has never been seen in the UK before.
If Next To Normal opened in the West end, You wouldn't call that a revival.
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Post by Jon on Mar 7, 2017 15:20:19 GMT
The difference with the shows on Broadway, is that they have all been produced and done previously, in the US. Maybe not on Broadway, but they have been seen before,therefore it's a revival. Dreamgirls has never been seen in the UK before. If Next To Normal opened in the West end, You wouldn't call that a revival. It's interesting what is considered a new play/musical and what isn't. I know that the National tried submitting One Man Two Guvnors as a revival at the Tonys but ended being rejected as they considered it a new play since it's an adaptation of the original rather than a translation. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2017 17:12:04 GMT
Been lurking for a while now.
Where is Lissi Lafontaine award for best supporting actress? Where is Joe Aaron's Reid's award for best actor? Where is Marilyn Cutts and Sandra Marvin for best supporting? IMO Dreamgirls deserves more
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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2017 17:13:54 GMT
Joel Montague is notably absent too, but Gina Beck is a huge snub.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2017 17:18:47 GMT
I have to admit to struggling with who Andrew Langtree played in 'Groundhog Day'. I don't remember him at all . . .
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Post by Jon on Mar 7, 2017 17:20:00 GMT
I have to admit to struggling with who Andrew Langtree played in 'Groundhog Day'. I don't remember him at all . . . Ned, I think. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2017 17:21:48 GMT
I have to admit to struggling with who Andrew Langtree played in 'Groundhog Day'. I don't remember him at all . . . He played Ned, the annoying guy who gets punched in the face alot, has a solo in Act II whilst walking through the snow. Actually a good song if I remember, I thought he was good, but not really an award magnet kinda role. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2017 17:28:05 GMT
Last year it went to David Bedella, for his totally non descript role and bland performance as the father in In The Heights. That was the best of the year?? I have no idea how he won for that.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2017 17:29:29 GMT
I have to admit to struggling with who Andrew Langtree played in 'Groundhog Day'. I don't remember him at all . . . He played Ned, the annoying guy who gets punched in the face alot, has a solo in Act II whilst walking through the snow. Actually a good song if I remember, I thought he was good, but not really an award magnet kinda role. Nope. Still doesn't mean anything. Was he the one who died on the park bench? Perhaps I was just too dazzled by the big AK. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2017 17:40:18 GMT
He played Ned, the annoying guy who gets punched in the face alot, has a solo in Act II whilst walking through the snow. Actually a good song if I remember, I thought he was good, but not really an award magnet kinda role. Nope. Still doesn't mean anything. Was he the one who died on the park bench? Perhaps I was just too dazzled by the big AK. No, but it was around that scene that the song happened haha. It was the dark/serious part of Act II. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2017 17:42:41 GMT
Him getting a nomination over Trevor Dion Nicholas is ridiculous.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2017 18:06:32 GMT
Him getting a nomination over Trevor Dion Nicholas is ridiculous. Also thought Jade Ewen could get one too. Trevor Dion is so more worthy than Matthew. Joe Aaron Reid also should've got one |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2017 18:10:23 GMT
Him getting a nomination over Trevor Dion Nicholas is ridiculous. Also thought Jade Ewen could get one too. Trevor Dion is so more worthy than Matthew. Joe Aaron Reid also should've got one Jade didn't have a chance in my opinion. Too many people were divided on her, she really didn't get the best of reviews. Even though i thought she was great, I don't think she would of fitted into the Oliviers with her performance personally. And thst is no disrespect to Jade, as I said, I thought she was great in the show. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2017 18:20:07 GMT
Although I think we all would have rather Jade got a leading actress nomination than the ensemble of The Girls.
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Post by CG on the loose on Mar 7, 2017 19:52:08 GMT
Although I think we all would have rather Jade got a leading actress nomination than the ensemble of The Girls. Afraid not... while I haven't seen The Girls yet so can't judge their worthiness or otherwise (though I do agree an ensemble nominee for Best Actress is bizarre, other than in Matilda-like circumstances when the group of nominees are sharing a single role), I can categorically say that on no account could I see a leading actress nod for Jade as appropriate in a year when the likes of Gina Beck went without (or any year, to be honest). To my eyes (and ears!), her performance was adequate, no more. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2017 20:07:29 GMT
How did Helen McCroy not get a nod?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2017 20:41:01 GMT
Although I think we all would have rather Jade got a leading actress nomination than the ensemble of The Girls. Afraid not... while I haven't seen The Girls yet so can't judge their worthiness or otherwise (though I do agree an ensemble nominee for Best Actress is bizarre, other than in Matilda-like circumstances when the group of nominees are sharing a single role), I can categorically say that on no account could I see a leading actress nod for Jade as appropriate in a year when the likes of Gina Beck went without (or any year, to be honest). To my eyes (and ears!), her performance was adequate, no more. Well yes if it was upto me Gina would be winning the whole thing. My point is I'd rather have the worst female leading performance of all time nominated over an ensemble of women in the leading actress category. |
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Post by Hamilton Addict on Mar 7, 2017 22:08:27 GMT
Was extremely surprised by the nominations. The whole thing just comes across as a little unprofessional. Are there not any rules that the Olivier committee follow? The good parts about the nominations... So happy for the Groundhog Day love. I really liked Harry Potter, so I'm happy about the majority of their nominations (not all of them). Most pleased about Anthony Boyle! I personally would've put him in leading, but I'm happy as long as he wins. Really happy for School of Rock, This House, Funny Girl, Show Boat, Cinderella, Half a Sixpence and The Comedy About a Bank Robbery with the nominations they received. All were great shows! Thrilled for Ian McKellen's nominations-if he doesn't win it'll be a crime. I didn't like Aladdin, so I'm happy that it didn't take up a space in the Best Musical category. The bad parts... I haven't seen The Girls or Our Ladies of Perpetual Succour, however I do not agree with the collective nominations. They simply aren't right. They didn't nominate Ian McKellen and Patrick Stewart together, did they? The award titles are singular. Bring in a best ensemble award if you want collective nominations. Half a Sixpence wasn't nominated for best choreography?? Would have definitely nominated over both Groundhog Day and Harry Potter. The choreography is the best part of Half a Sixpence. Also disappointed that Half a Sixpence didn't get nominated for best musical/best revival. Personally do not agree that Nice Fish should have been nominated, but there are many who disagree with me. No nomination for Patrick Stewart? *jaw drop* Thought he was 100x better than Jamie Parker. I thought Jamie Parker was really good, but compared to someone like Patrick Stewart? Very sad about that one. I personally didn't like Noma Dumezweni's performance, but I know I'm in the minority there. Not that Andrew Langtree was bad, but really not sure how a role like that can get nominated. Andrew was basically a member of the ensemble. As I said, I didn't like Aladdin, but I think I would've nominated Trevor Dion Nicholas over Andrew. Was there no one else to compete with Andrew? Not keen on the music award, I think that should be split up. The one that really annoys me though, is the Lazarus snub. I'm going to give them the benefit of the doubt and assume they weren't eligible. They at least deserved Best Leading Actor for Michael C. Hall. Rant over! I think we should launch the TheatreBoard awards where we allow only members to decide the nominees and vote. I think those awards would go well.  |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2017 22:16:53 GMT
No nomination for Patrick Stewart? *jaw drop* Thought he was 100x better than Jamie Parker. I thought Jamie Parker was really good, but compared to someone like Patrick Stewart? Very sad about that one. Don't worry. Hopefully Mr Stewart will get his award instead for Best Supporting Role as Judge Turpin behind Hugh Jackman as Sweeney Todd.  |
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Post by msdynamite on Mar 7, 2017 23:19:36 GMT
At the end of the day why are new musicals and revivals placed in separate catagories ? Because the way that audiences judge them are inherently different. New shows have to win people over from scratch. Revivals succeed by reinventing known material making it fresh.
While Dreamgirls may technically be a new West End show I think that it goes against the spirit of why we have those separate categories. With 21st century technology this is especiallly true. Everybody can see you tube recordings/ DVD of the original Broadway production or the J Hudson movie and have the recordings on their I Phones. The show is 1-2 generations old. It should be considered a revival.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2017 23:46:45 GMT
I've written about 5 different posts and deleted them all, .... instead i'll just ask, what makes something eligible for best NEW musical? And what should be considered a revival?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2017 23:47:13 GMT
Welcome to the board Msdynamite!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 8, 2017 0:53:44 GMT
At the end of the day why are new musicals and revivals placed in separate catagories ? Because the way that audiences judge them are inherently different. New shows have to win people over from scratch. Revivals succeed by reinventing known material making it fresh. While Dreamgirls may technically be a new West End show I think that it goes against the spirit of why we have those separate categories. With 21st century technology this is especiallly true. Everybody can see you tube recordings/ DVD of the original Broadway production or the J Hudson movie and have the recordings on their I Phones. The show is 1-2 generations old. It should be considered a revival. I've written about 5 different posts and deleted them all, .... instead i'll just ask, what makes something eligible for best NEW musical? And what should be considered a revival? Firstly, welcome to the board msdynamite - fantastic name! Secondly, (and really this is just the way I see it, regarding the Oliviers) a new musical is considered a new musical if it is the first time it has been done in London. Yes a show like Dreamgirls can be much loved through the film or recordings, or even played everywhere else in the UK or on Broadway for the past 30 years, but if it has never been performed in London then I guess it counts as a new musical. I personally was looking forward to seeing how Half A Sixpence would've been catergorised as either Best New Musical or Best Musical Revival. Cameron Mackintosh has said that it is "80% a new show" which would make sense to count it as a "New Musical" like the WhatsOnStage awards did, but would the Oliviers stick to the "Revival" route like they did with Andrew Lloyd Webber's new The Wizard of Oz in 2012 (another rewritten musical with new songs after the original RSC/Barbican version in 1987). I guess the Oliviers have just dodged the whole decision by not nominating it for either. But what I want to know is....who on earth is presenting?! |
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