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Post by NeilVHughes on Mar 21, 2020 21:40:35 GMT
Uncomfortable as they are your anxiety levels indicate that you are taking it seriously and doing your best to keep yourself, your family and the rest of us safe and healthy which is what will get you through the next few weeks, months.
For those who are not anxious and bleat on about Liberty and we never closed the pubs during the war look behind the data which is freely available and as promised I will not publish here and understand why some if not most of us are anxious and modify your behaviour before you have to.
For those who are anxious you already have the right mindset, follow the guidelines and try your best to move to a coping mindset utilising the diversions in the previous post.
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Post by Dawnstar on Mar 21, 2020 21:41:47 GMT
Please don’t think like that. I realise this would be a lot easier if we had a finish date but you really have to try and think positive. There are books to read that you’ve never had the time to. Films to watch that you wanted to but there was always something to do. TV Programmes to catch up with. People to talk to who you’ve been meaning to call for ages and if you have a garden it is a wonderful place to be able to forget for a while. Take care of yourself and just think that there are some wonderfully clever and brilliant people in this country who are working round the clock to help us all out of this... I am trying to distract myself with reading & watching videos but it's difficult to concentrate on them when half of your mind is going "CORONAVIRUS! PANIC!" all the time. I have Asperger's so I find uncertainty very difficult to deal with at the best of times. I'm not actually that worried about dying of it myself. What I'm petrified of is my mother dying of it & me being left on my own. The last time she went on holiday without me I basically had a nervous breakdown & that was 10 years ago. Since then I can't even cope with being left on my own for one night. The thought of being left on my own for the rest of my life is unbearable.
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Post by peggs on Mar 21, 2020 22:03:04 GMT
Someone at work's husband has had to move out because he has to still go to work and their son has underlying health problems so they're self isolating, she was so calm about the whole thing when I wobbled and virtually reached out and said she's just doesn't worry and no part of me understood that though i'm glad she's okay. What i'm most scared about varies from time to time but no it's not generally of me dying, other people, the impact and lasting consequences of this but think as much as you, you have to find whatever helps you through. I'm drawn back to the news but it doesn't help, people not taking is seriously (my dad is I swear going out more than normal and should be staying in) drive me crazy and people trying to share the seriousness of it just terrify me. So it's important we all hang together somehow and I know that's easy said than done and doesn't stop me sitting here imagining I can feel symptoms occurring but the good in people is being shown as well as the bad. Keep sharing on here Dawnstar if it helps.
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Post by Dawnstar on Mar 21, 2020 22:21:24 GMT
So it's important we all hang together somehow and I know that's easy said than done and doesn't stop me sitting here imagining I can feel symptoms occurring but the good in people is being shown as well as the bad. Keep sharing on here Dawnstar if it helps. I'm glad to hear I'm not the only person who keeps on imagining I'm getting symptoms. I've always been far too good at getting psychosomatic symptoms of whatever I'm afraid of getting at the time. Thanks. I don't really have any outlets apart from either wailing at my mother, who gets a bit fed up when I'm doing it multiple times a day, or wailing online.
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Post by lynette on Mar 21, 2020 23:19:33 GMT
I know exactly where you are coming from, peggs and dawnstar, you are right to be very upset. Anyone who says they are not scared, just a little even, is lacking a brain. In our home, and on the phone with family and friends, a cough is heart stopping. My friend asked me if I was ok cos I sounded a bit ‘throaty’. Every twinge is analysed and it isn’t always amusing. I know what is like to feel all this stuff, been there before... so remember, come on to the board and see what shows or vids you can access , lots coming along now. I’ve just watched the Jermyn St theatre Sonnet thing, first one. If you are like me, the you can us them to track the days. I wouldn’t watch too much news. Just try to be clear on what you are supposed to be doing - staying in, driving an ambulance, remotely directing the next smash hit.. whatever and keep off the news channels except for just checking in for info on your situation in your area. Forgive me dishing out the advice, but I I take the privilege of experience. Not having control of your life is the worst thing. And we, none of us, have that control right now. Meet you here tomorrow...and tomorrow.. as someone once said. Stay safe, stay in and pass the bottle... ( sloshed half a decent white into a veg stir fry tonight..what was I thinking of? )
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Post by showgirl on Mar 22, 2020 5:56:31 GMT
Escaping to the countryside is my best way of coping, especially with the extra pressure from "work" to prepare for WFH and having to cope with lots of new IT equipment and how to use it. So I went out walking on Wednesday and again yesterday and was surprised by how few others were out doing things which are still allowed and would enable them to get fresh air and exercise without risk of social contact.
I walked across or alongside several golf courses on Wednesday and they were almost deserted; OK you'd expect fewer people of working age there on a weekday but the usual older members were missing and in fact on both days those users I did see were very young. I also saw a few walkers, dog-walkers, runners and cyclists and Wednesday was obviously a working day and the weather wasn't great in the south-east, but yesterday was the most fabulous sunny early spring day so where was everyone? All in supermarkets looking in vain for scarce supplies?
OH keeps suggesting or threatening that soon even the above forms of exercise will be banned but I can't see why, if people are outdoors and alone or keeping their distance from a companion. Plus people will really need to keep fit and deal with the increased risk of depression. I know the situation is getting to me, so I really need what seems like a safe fix.
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Post by dontdreamit on Mar 22, 2020 9:38:44 GMT
My 6 year old has started on High School Musical today, having watched Descendants 1 2 and 3 on repeat. I am looking forward to and dreading Disney+ arriving on Tuesday- I’ve missed watching Grey’s Anatomy but I suspect when my 2 aren’t “home schooling” they will be trying to watch the entire content in one go...
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Post by BurlyBeaR on Mar 22, 2020 10:27:43 GMT
I wouldn’t watch too much news. Just try to be clear on what you are supposed to be doing - staying in, driving an ambulance, remotely directing the next smash hit.. whatever and keep off the news channels except for just checking in for info on your situation in your area. Forgive me dishing out the advice, but I I take the privilege of experience. Not having control of your life is the worst thing. And we, none of us, have that control right now. Meet you here tomorrow...and tomorrow.. as someone once said. Stay safe, stay in and pass the bottle... ( sloshed half a decent white into a veg stir fry tonight..what was I thinking of? ) I agree. Choose your trusted outlet and check in for the latest every day. 24 hour rolling news is not good if you are anxious, Ive packed it in and feel better for it. On LBC I’m only listening to Iain Dale as he is generally very non-inflammatory and as it happens has just come on at 10am this Sunday morning. He’s broadcasting from home. This forum isn’t a place for getting or disseminating news, but for positivity, giving and getting support and of course theatre related discussion with likeminded people. Stay positive, spread positivity and encourage others to do the right thing.
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Post by londonpostie on Mar 22, 2020 11:46:21 GMT
I've despaired at all mainstream media for some time. I rented a car a couple of days ago and tuned to R4, the news summary came on shortly. Firstly the announcer was shocked to the point of incredulity that it could go on most of the year "the year!!!" (when most people have known that for weeks) as he went to a reporter outside Downing Street to build that up further - the BBC imperative (and others) remains to hype the daily melodramatic narratives regardless of responsibility. And then secondly, about people "emptying supermarkets". Has anyone on te BBC made the point it's like Christmas multiplied many times over i.e. the way we eat pivots completely - no school dinners, no lunches at work or fast food or Pret, etc. All those millions of meals eaten at work, school, restaurants, etc, every single day are now being purchased through the supermarkets and eaten at home. It's just a very, very long Christmas-like social adjustment.
So instead of one meal a day at home, or maybe two, the whole country is eating three plus snacks. But no, lets hype the bullsh*t drama; the constant nudging of the audience to social disorder and chaos. And becasue it's the BBC, people are legally forced to pay for this.
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Post by NeilVHughes on Mar 22, 2020 12:17:38 GMT
Good point londonpostie , as I made my own sandwiches for lunch and primarily continuing as is whilst working from home had not considered those which is the majority who buy lunch each day and have been eating out regularly a couple of times a week even if only a McDonalds. For me it is only maybe 2 or 3 meals a week which was for shows directly after work or between a matinee and an evening performance. The increased demand on the supermarkets is therefore significant aligned with needing a weeks food in case you fall ill accounts for a lot of the stock-outs but maybe not the toilet roll. I am still buying a couple of days ahead and pop into my Sainsbury’s local mid-morning following the deliveries and topping up for the next few days on a rolling 3 day supply with whatever I can scavenge. Today was lucky with mashed potato and sausages so no guesses on today’s lunch.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 22, 2020 12:33:01 GMT
Escaping to the countryside is my best way of coping, especially with the extra pressure from "work" to prepare for WFH and having to cope with lots of new IT equipment and how to use it. So I went out walking on Wednesday and again yesterday and was surprised by how few others were out doing things which are still allowed and would enable them to get fresh air and exercise without risk of social contact. I walked across or alongside several golf courses on Wednesday and they were almost deserted; OK you'd expect fewer people of working age there on a weekday but the usual older members were missing and in fact on both days those users I did see were very young. I also saw a few walkers, dog-walkers, runners and cyclists and Wednesday was obviously a working day and the weather wasn't great in the south-east, but yesterday was the most fabulous sunny early spring day so where was everyone? All in supermarkets looking in vain for scarce supplies? OH keeps suggesting or threatening that soon even the above forms of exercise will be banned but I can't see why, if people are outdoors and alone or keeping their distance from a companion. Plus people will really need to keep fit and deal with the increased risk of depression. I know the situation is getting to me, so I really need what seems like a safe fix. I agree but the trouble is people aren't doing that. I tried to go for a walk yesterday and it was like Piccadilly Circus in any open space, inc big gangs of people hanging out in the park. These idiots are the reason we are all going to get locked down - they'll carry on behaving irresponsibly until they're forced not to. Drives me mad because, as you say, a daily walk is incredibly good for keeping sane - I'll find it really hard if I can't do it.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 22, 2020 13:36:58 GMT
OH keeps suggesting or threatening that soon even the above forms of exercise will be banned but I can't see why, if people are outdoors and alone or keeping their distance from a companion. Plus people will really need to keep fit and deal with the increased risk of depression. I know the situation is getting to me, so I really need what seems like a safe fix. I agree but the trouble is people aren't doing that. I tried to go for a walk yesterday and it was like Piccadilly Circus in any open space, inc big gangs of people hanging out in the park. These idiots are the reason we are all going to get locked down - they'll carry on behaving irresponsibly until they're forced not to. Drives me mad because, as you say, a daily walk is incredibly good for keeping sane - I'll find it really hard if I can't do it. I would hope that the government wouldn't be so grossly incompetent as to do that. The correct thing to do would be to punish people individually, not act like a teacher saying "You're ruining it for everyone so now you can all suffer". I know from past experience that one of the problems with working from home is that if you don't get out you can suffer a vitamin D deficiency, and on a personal level I know that if I'm stuck in the house for too long it triggers increasing levels of ASD-related breakdowns. It's no good trying to act against a virus if the emergency services get overwhelmed with attempted suicides and millions of health issues caused by continuous incarceration. We are not machines that can be switched off for three months, and if the government wants to keep control of the situation it needs to take that into account. The only way we will get through this is by getting out and enjoying the outdoors when we can. It does wonders for morale. The government really needs to switch its message into telling us what things we can do to get through this. I went shopping this morning and quite a few people were out and about but all well apart from each other, and a draconian "no fun, ever" message is about the absolute worst thing they could do.
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Post by londonpostie on Mar 22, 2020 13:42:39 GMT
Good point londonpostie , as I made my own sandwiches for lunch and primarily continuing as is whilst working from home had not considered those which is the majority who buy lunch each day and have been eating out regularly a couple of times a week even if only a McDonalds. It shouldn't be a great point though. Instead of explaining every shopping day is like Christmas Eve atm, mainstream media - and the BBC and Guardian are among the worst - purposely don't explain but do pursue sensationalist, irresponsible themes.
You only need to look at those full trolleys in the lead up to Christmas for a reminder of how much it takes to feed a family for even a few days, never mind a week. And they do exactly that now with headlines about 'stockpiling', etc.
And, fwiw, they are doing exactly the same today over social distancing in London.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 22, 2020 13:58:47 GMT
Agree 1000% @thematthew - really hope the govt goes down that route at least first. I fear that other European countries have set the precedent though. I've got a friend in Paris who is just not allowed out and is going quietly out of his mind. I dread being in the same position.
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Post by showgirl on Mar 22, 2020 14:25:23 GMT
Also fully agree - far too much focus on what we can't/mustn't do & too little on the many alternatives. And I thought this government subscribed to nudge theory? Sure, warn people about what not to do, but go on to emphasise all the good remaining options, most of which are cheaper/healthier/safer, eg outdoor activity, reading, getting involved in the community etc.
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Post by Latecomer on Mar 22, 2020 15:16:10 GMT
I’m afraid I think they will have to ban all people going out as people always have the same idea to go to the same place.....just look at bank holidays. I know it’s hard and I love walking (alone!) in the countryside but we need t understand that this is necessary. No travel. Cancel caravans etc travelling, close campsites, everyone just sheltering in their homes for a bit. It is not a holiday. Deliver food boxes to those who cant go out. War footing required. Not nudge stuff....not quick enough.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 22, 2020 15:54:23 GMT
If I was Boris Johnson my next speech on TV would go something like this:
"Right. You people are really getting on my tits now. Are you completely —ing stupid or what? How are you not getting this? You need to keep apart from others. If you go somewhere and it looks busy then go elsewhere. It's no good thinking that it can't possibly affect you, because everyone thinks that and there are 5000 people in hospital right now who thought exactly the same. You are not one of the magically blessed who can walk through life with the dangers that affect others somehow passing you by. Being too stupid to understand the danger does not keep you safe."
(Seriously. All the political speak isn't getting through to people. I think the message needs to be "If you mix with crowds you are stupid and everyone who sees you thinks you are stupid.")
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Post by 49thand8th on Mar 22, 2020 16:17:44 GMT
I’m afraid I think they will have to ban all people going out as people always have the same idea to go to the same place.....just look at bank holidays. I know it’s hard and I love walking (alone!) in the countryside but we need t understand that this is necessary. No travel. Cancel caravans etc travelling, close campsites, everyone just sheltering in their homes for a bit. It is not a holiday. Deliver food boxes to those who cant go out. War footing required. Not nudge stuff....not quick enough. Just look what Miami had to do when stories started coming out of people partying at the marina: www.miamiherald.com/news/coronavirus/article241404096.htmlI went for a walk around lunchtime yesterday here in my neighborhood in Queens. It was a pretty nice, sunny day, and people were out but not necessarily in crowds. Most people I saw together appeared to be couples or parents with kids (so people who are presumably already living together). I did hear that in the areas nearby with a younger population (mine is fairly residential), people were still out in clusters and hanging out very close to each other while waiting for takeout. Now our governor is saying things like this, and NO, it is not a photoshop! For what it's worth, I went out again close to midnight and it was like a blizzard. I saw maybe three people total while walking down the busiest street on my block in a span of maybe 8 blocks, when on most Saturday nights close to midnight I'd see 30-40.
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Post by peggs on Mar 22, 2020 16:24:20 GMT
Sadly yes crowds of people out in the sun acting like nothing is happening, out with the people you live with ok but this clearly isn't that. Am doing that thing when you reassess what you think about people, as the seemingly sane talk about oh I've got a cottage booked do you want to come it's in the middle of no where, like no one you mix with could possibly have it.
The sun is lovely and welcome after so much bad weather but if it was foul everyone wouldn't be out.
The practical part of me is worrying if we go down the French gov printed permit to go out what do you do if you don't have a printer, while the rationale part of new goes well lots of people won't there must be another option.
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Post by lynette on Mar 22, 2020 16:24:22 GMT
This isn’t ’stupid ' like 'stupid' usually is though. Some people are in denial, some don’t read or follow news but hear it third hand from friends, some hate the government so much they will do opposite of that gov says to do,some consider themselves cleverer than everyone else and some are conspiracy maniacs. And for some, normally intelligent people, or what passes for that, haven’t let it sink in yet. Two of our friends, two of the most intelligent people of our circle ( a category to be sharply revised now) of my age, so in the 'vulnerable' category etc, went to a gathering of 28 people in someone's house for an unimportant religious celebration, an event you could easily miss or get out of, even in normal times. Guess what? Nearly all of the people there came down with the virus. Our friends were very poorly but managed to look after eachother at home. So great, they survived. Now think about the number of people infected by the people who went to that gathering. Beggar's belief. This was last week by the way, when advice for over 70s quite clear, to stay at home.
So there you are, two clever people. As Lord Sugar had it, 'what woz they thinkin'?'
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Post by Deleted on Mar 22, 2020 17:22:49 GMT
I totally get it, it's really hard not to enjoy the sun after so much gloom - but honestly, don't these people have older relatives that they are worried about? I'm driving my mum mad making sure that she is being careful. I don't understand how so many people are so blase about this. We are heading for a time when there won't be healthcare for everyone who needs it, it's terrifying. Germany has banned more than two people meeting at a time (excluding families and people who live together) which seems like a sensible option and might be a way here to allow people to go out and walk round their local area and thereby avoid mass mental health issues while stopping people gathering: www.dw.com/en/coronavirus-latest-germany-bans-meetings-of-more-than-two-people/a-52874174 In two weeks time when it's a cataclysm, people will be asking why the govt didn't clamp down harder, forgetting that no one forced them to be idiots.
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Post by londonpostie on Mar 22, 2020 17:32:47 GMT
I totally get it, it's really hard not to enjoy the sun after so much gloom - but honestly, don't these people have older relatives that they are worried about? To respond to your specific point, I would imagine young people who moved to London and live in a flat share where they have zero control of the actions of others, and commute to work on crowded trains, and for whom being social is integral to their every day have already made the decisions they needed to make in relation to family. And if they haven't, family would have made those decisions for them.
Other people in close proximity often appear to be pushing buggies or have some other family identifier. 2 metres is sitll the rec distance for social distancing.
tbh, I don't know what can be done but I'd be far more concerned for the tight queues outside Lidl and Iceland and M&S I saw from 10am onwards this morning, goodness knows what it was like inside.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 22, 2020 17:46:23 GMT
londonpostie Of course - I more meant as a general society response - my mum is miles from me (alas) but when I see the huge gatherings in London parks it makes me worried for her because it suggests a huge number of people aren't taking it seriously, and some of them might be in her vicinity. She is isolating but you can't cut off completely - things get delivered, etc. Perhaps I'm panicking. Everything about this situation is scaring me so much. There's so opinion but very little clarity. Apols for venting on here and potentially making others more worried.
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Post by intoanewlife on Mar 22, 2020 17:47:32 GMT
I started the Marvel movie franchise 2 days ago, 15 to go!
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Post by londonpostie on Mar 22, 2020 17:48:59 GMT
Tbh @abby we are being panicked. Today this, tomorrow something else. There will always be something to catastrophise, and if there isn't the mainstream media will pretend.
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