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Post by BurlyBeaR on Jul 29, 2016 12:26:29 GMT
Any idea if Margot Robbie can sing? She's certainly got the Glinda look about her... And I've always thought Jennifer Saunders could make a good Madame Morrible. There's a new monkey in town. Welcome! Are you you any relation to @theatremonkey ? |
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Post by BurlyBeaR on Jul 29, 2016 12:28:16 GMT
She'd be great actually. And she can hold a tune so they can always Madonna the score a bit to fit her and autotune where they need to. Sorry to correct you but Our Lady does NOT use autotune!  |
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Post by BurlyBeaR on Jul 29, 2016 12:30:00 GMT
So was 'Evita' and that score (and essentially the entire film) was adapted to fit Madonna - convincing people that she was a much better singer and actress than she actually was (she's pretty average at both). How dare you.... She was robbed of that Oscar. Do you hear me? ROBBED!   |
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Post by broadwaylover99 on Jul 29, 2016 12:32:02 GMT
And I've always thought Jennifer Saunders could make a good Madame Morrible. Joanna Lumley would do a great job too I reckon |
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Post by welsh_tenor on Jul 29, 2016 12:32:37 GMT
They can easily do the same for 'Wicked'. So long as they have some flashy sets, some special effects and a cast that can hold a tune they'll be able to make it a passable film. The actors won't be performing it in the same way as the theatre actors, they'll have numerous takes, a professionally recorded soundtrack and a whole host of gizmos and gadgets in the recording studio and editing suite to put together a performance that does the 'Wicked' score some kind of justice. This is assuming they do it as an Evita/Chicago number in post-production versus a Les Mis "live" version... If they do it as a live effect then no amount of dubbing will hide that an A Lister starlet can't actually belt.... |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 29, 2016 12:48:31 GMT
Chicago is one of the few movie musicals that was better than the actual show - in my opinion! Renne Zellwegger was amazing as Roxie!
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Post by broadwaylover99 on Jul 29, 2016 12:59:48 GMT
Chicago is one of the few movie musicals that was better than the actual show - in my opinion! Renne Zellwegger was amazing as Roxie! Catherine Zeta-Jones - that's all I'm going to say. Another possible Morrible in fact |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 29, 2016 13:06:48 GMT
Isn't Madame Morrible such a non-part though? Why would all these big names want to have a go at it?
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Post by BurlyBeaR on Jul 29, 2016 13:10:05 GMT
Chicago is one of the few movie musicals that was better than the actual show - in my opinion! Renne Zellwegger was amazing as Roxie! Catherine Zeta-Jones - that's all I'm going to say. Another possible Morrible in fact Too young, too glam for Morrible. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 29, 2016 13:10:20 GMT
Isn't Madame Morrible such a non-part though? Why would all these big names want to have a go at it? It's still a fairly big part. You could get a very respected actress to play that part. It's a Hollywood blockbuster so I presume they would cast all the big roles with names |
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Post by Michael on Jul 29, 2016 14:07:27 GMT
I think it would be brilliant to do a movie with people who are the best for the role with minimal celebs and star names. Otherwise it will go down the Les Mis route where Crow couldn't sing and it was obvious who were the musical singers and who weren't (in my opinion Jackman and his harsh face and sound should have been Javert) Oh that show would have been different had they cast SINGERS! It's the same for wicked please. I'm with westendwendy and hope they cast someone who can actually sing. If they really feel the need to get some names for this, Morrible and Dillamond (and maybe, just maybe) the Wizard spring to mind. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 29, 2016 23:36:56 GMT
KEVIN SPACEY AS THE WIZARD!
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Post by frazzlemonkey on Jul 30, 2016 9:40:14 GMT
Any idea if Margot Robbie can sing? She's certainly got the Glinda look about her... And I've always thought Jennifer Saunders could make a good Madame Morrible. There's a new monkey in town. Welcome! Are you you any relation to @theatremonkey ? Many thanks for the warm welcome BurlyBeaR :-) No relation, just a few random words put together! |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2016 9:47:13 GMT
Glinda and Elphaba need to be played by strong singers, the rest not so much - Fiyero can be a mediocre singer as Dancing Through Life doesn't really require much singing - he'd just need to be able to sing As Long As You're Mine, which isn't particularly difficult so could fairly easily be achieved by an actor with an ok voice being coached a bit I would think.
And all of this assumes they'll be singing live à la Les Mis anyway rather than vocals being touched up in the studio...
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Post by Dave25 on Jul 31, 2016 10:51:33 GMT
Of course the singing needs to be recorded in a studio. This is film, not a live theatre performance on a street. Film has much more possibilities.
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Post by talkstageytome on Jul 31, 2016 10:55:13 GMT
Yep, I think that this movie and the Les Mis movie will be worlds apart. Les Mis is grounded in reality for the most part, and is a pretty gritty story which the live element complimented. Wicked is way more glitzy and fun and will have loads of CGI magic, therefore the live singing element would probably look a little odd and downplayed.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2016 10:57:26 GMT
I find as Les Mis is all singing, it had to be done live or it would've been hard to mime every line of the whole film. However as Wicked has dialogue in it too, it will probably be done in the studio
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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2016 12:21:35 GMT
Glinda and Elphaba need to be played by strong singers, the rest not so much - Fiyero can be a mediocre singer as Dancing Through Life doesn't really require much singing - he'd just need to be able to sing As Long As You're Mine, which isn't particularly difficult so could fairly easily be achieved by an actor with an ok voice being coached a bit I would think. And all of this assumes they'll be singing live à la Les Mis anyway rather than vocals being touched up in the studio... I completely agree. They can cast big stars in all the supporting roles for all I care, just as long as they cast Elphaba and Glinda based on talent alone. |
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Post by Dave25 on Aug 3, 2016 11:24:40 GMT
Yep, I think that this movie and the Les Mis movie will be worlds apart. Les Mis is grounded in reality for the most part, and is a pretty gritty story which the live element complimented. Wicked is way more glitzy and fun and will have loads of CGI magic, therefore the live singing element would probably look a little odd and downplayed. I think the language of singing is per definition not realistic and therefore this artform should be fully embraced or left out. In Les Mis they constantly apologized for this artform by speaking 4 words and then use vibrato on the 5th. "Now....come on.....ladies.....settle.....doooooooooooown". It's this constant "switch-over" that makes it embarrassing, silly and not raw and real at all. In this artform, raw emotions lie in other things. In embracing the material instead of apologizing for it. Imagine when a Miss Saigon film is made. Do we really want a Chris that speaks "john.........is that you........ buddy......listen....to......meeeeeeeeeeeeeee" and then use a 5 second vibrato only on the last word? Or do we want a natural actor/singer who just sings the line with real intention and keeps the last word short. People laughed in the cinema when I watched Les Mis. Because it was funny and silly. Not gritty or real. At all. Why do people not understand the importance of this? Only then it will feel real. No switching all the time. Make it a triumph of the fantasy, because that is what this artform is. Especially in sung-through musicals, embrace it and go all the way. A certain note can take the audience on a journey, if sung well. Also, there is so much you can achieve in film with cinematography and smart editing. Some (parts of) songs can even be used as a voice over while we see other scenes or thoughts of a character, flashbacks or other things that happen at the same time. It is all about sung thoughts, we don't have to see the character mouthing all he words all the time. That is way too literal in film. And if you see the characters mouthing, go for it and let them soar. The only musicalfilm that understood this so far was Evita. That really is a triumph of the fantasy in cinematography and the way they use the music in all kinds of different ways. Imagine how great that would have been if they had even better singers/actors. Other films who understand the importance of a certain unnatural world that compliments the singing are Chicago and Moulin Rouge. The sets in Chicago are theatrical too, which would work well for a film like Miss Saigon or Wicked, because it's about thoughts being sung. It's how it is in the character's minds. Not about how it really was (if it was real of course). For example, last night of the world was probably a cold conrete empty room in real life, but in their minds it's glowy, gloomy, spectacular and romantic. Show it. It's their thoughts. Thuy's death was probably in an alley between a trash can and a clothes line, but in Kim's mind it's the end of the world, a black space with a choir of ghosts. Show it. Stay away from the Les Mis approach as far as possible. For a wicked film it's also important to create a non literal world because this artform per definition is not. |
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Post by Dave25 on Aug 3, 2016 11:46:27 GMT
I find as Les Mis is all singing, it had to be done live or it would've been hard to mime every line of the whole film. However as Wicked has dialogue in it too, it will probably be done in the studio If I record a song, and listen to it 3 times, I can mime it perfectly with every detail. That way I can let the singing really soar, as well as the acting on the set. Because then I can focus on that. Les Mis is a showcase of actors struggling with notes and trying to use that struggle to look miserable on screen. Therefore they only get away with it in crying scenes. It's basically a failed musical theatre performance on a pavement. Also, this way the actual director can use the music in more ways and take the cinematography to levels unheard of. That's film. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2016 18:09:19 GMT
Yep, I think that this movie and the Les Mis movie will be worlds apart. Les Mis is grounded in reality for the most part, and is a pretty gritty story which the live element complimented. Wicked is way more glitzy and fun and will have loads of CGI magic, therefore the live singing element would probably look a little odd and downplayed. I think the language of singing is per definition not realistic and therefore this artform should be fully embraced or left out. In Les Mis they constantly apologized for this artform by speaking 4 words and then use vibrato on the 5th. "Now....come on.....ladies.....settle.....doooooooooooown". It's this constant "switch-over" that makes it embarrassing, silly and not raw and real at all. In this artform, raw emotions lie in other things. In embracing the material instead of apologizing for it. Imagine when a Miss Saigon film is made. Do we really want a Chris that speaks "john.........is that you........ buddy......listen....to......meeeeeeeeeeeeeee" and then use a 5 second vibrato only on the last word? Or do we want a natural actor/singer who just sings the line with real intention and keeps the last word short. People laughed in the cinema when I watched Les Mis. Because it was funny and silly. Not gritty or real. At all. Why do people not understand the importance of this? Only then it will feel real. No switching all the time. Make it a triumph of the fantasy, because that is what this artform is. Especially in sung-through musicals, embrace it and go all the way. A certain note can take the audience on a journey, if sung well. Also, there is so much you can achieve in film with cinematography and smart editing. Some (parts of) songs can even be used as a voice over while we see other scenes or thoughts of a character, flashbacks or other things that happen at the same time. It is all about sung thoughts, we don't have to see the character mouthing all he words all the time. That is way too literal in film. And if you see the characters mouthing, go for it and let them soar. The only musicalfilm that understood this so far was Evita. That really is a triumph of the fantasy in cinematography and the way they use the music in all kinds of different ways. Imagine how great that would have been if they had even better singers/actors. Other films who understand the importance of a certain unnatural world that compliments the singing are Chicago and Moulin Rouge. The sets in Chicago are theatrical too, which would work well for a film like Miss Saigon or Wicked, because it's about thoughts being sung. It's how it is in the character's minds. Not about how it really was (if it was real of course). For example, last night of the world was probably a cold conrete empty room in real life, but in their minds it's glowy, gloomy, spectacular and romantic. Show it. It's their thoughts. Thuy's death was probably in an alley between a trash can and a clothes line, but in Kim's mind it's the end of the world, a black space with a choir of ghosts. Show it. Stay away from the Les Mis approach as far as possible. For a wicked film it's also important to create a non literal world because this artform per definition is not. I completely agree with all of this. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 18, 2017 1:33:10 GMT
Idina briefly talked about the Wicked movie in an interview, and apparentky she has been told she will not be in it, in any capacity. Obviously she could be totally joking judging by the atmosphere, as I know some thought she would get at least a cameo, still thought I'd share. |
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Post by welsh_tenor on Jan 18, 2017 8:07:36 GMT
If I was directing I'd have lots of small references to the stage version and previous alumni... there's a scene where Elphie is pushing Nessa down a corridor at Shiz as two teachers walk past - the teachers are Idina & Kristin for example - blink and you miss them, but a nod to the show's heritage and the fans would go nuts trying to spot them all!
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Post by tsxmitw on Apr 21, 2017 20:38:55 GMT
It's probably true Say what you like abut the rest of the paper, the Sun's Bizarre pages have an excellent track record in terms of accuracy. |
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