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Post by Jon on Oct 3, 2022 21:32:00 GMT
Is it common practice on Broadway to do an announcement on the street outside the theatre like that? He gets drowned out by traffic at one point. Though I guess it’s pretty on-brand for this show’s promo to be a bit cack-handed. Love that he still made a pointed dig at the government, which once again no one laughed at. Just waiting for him to start talking Linedy Genao up as his newest discovery and one of the best he’s ever worked with. ALW really need to get over the Government being one of the reasons Cinderella closed.
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Post by ronnette on Oct 3, 2022 21:42:15 GMT
I am here for this thread.
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Post by vabbian on Oct 3, 2022 21:58:58 GMT
oh gosh that rework of the Bad Cinderella song... no words... how did they manage to make it so much worse? Linedy Genao's interpretation of the song is cringe af
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Post by stuartmcd on Oct 3, 2022 22:28:56 GMT
Is it true they're going to have a 24 piece orchestra? If this is true then that’s a win at least. Because one thing I really did not like about the London production was the synth style orchestration where everything sounded like it was played on a keyboard. However the rewrite for the song is dreadful.
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Post by stagebyte on Oct 3, 2022 23:50:09 GMT
And not a peep from other OG Cinderella cast members including Theatreboard Cinderella thread faves RV and LB. The restraint is admirable.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 4, 2022 0:15:46 GMT
I have not seen the show so my suggested title may not fit its tone at all, but for pure marketing potential I wish it could be:
That Bi#ch Cinderella (hey, if the shoe fits ...)
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Post by chernjam on Oct 4, 2022 0:30:07 GMT
Re: All That Dazzles (or Bad All That Dazzles as he’s now changed it to) Isn’t he the guy that goes on about how he doesn’t like posting anything negative? And why should Carrie be supportive of a Broadway transfer when it’s no secret the show was a nightmare to work on? How do we know it was the show and not Carrie who was the nightmare? There's more than one side to the story/saga and to me I find it hard to deal with CHF and the victim complex. I for one am hopeful that they've had time to revisit things and refocus some things for the show. Thought the score had some nice songs in it and it was enjoyable to listen to. I also found the bad cinderella revisions to be improvements. Just losing the "I am 'Me Cinderella'" was a major upgrade. Always cringed when I heard that.
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Post by BurlyBeaR on Oct 4, 2022 7:13:16 GMT
New show title, new hashtag, new socials. Anyone searching @badcinderella will conveniently not see what went down with the old one.
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Post by stagebyte on Oct 4, 2022 8:39:24 GMT
New show title, new hashtag, new socials. Anyone searching @badcinderella will conveniently not see what went down with the old one. And who can blame him.
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Post by max on Oct 4, 2022 10:39:30 GMT
A really Bad start unfortunately. This was a chance to re-orchestrate that title song, and really make it creative and imaginative, and signal how much better this new version will be. Getting the new lead to just sing to the existing track makes it feel like karaoke to those of us who got used to the original. No insult to the singer, but the original Cinderella album was made during lockdown, with only a short session with full orchestra, its arrangements and instrumentation sound tinny and synthetic (and not in a current compression laden chart hit way).
It's also badly edited. The vocals haven't finished on one line, when a little hurrumph noise (for naturalism) overlaps with the singer's own voice.
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Post by max on Oct 4, 2022 10:51:13 GMT
From a musical theatre song writing angle I really don't get the lyric changes. The original's second verse had Cinderella voicing how others in the community see her and insult her. A really welcome three-dimensional aspect, that stopped it from being a very plain 'this is my character, these are my qualities' song. In any song writing class ypu'd put this 'before' and 'after' the other way around. Let the lyrics do double or triple duty introducing the world of the piece via sideways routes, and get the texture of a character apparently defiant but clearly hurt by what 'they' all say about her.
Girl from the gutter Unpleasant peasant No one, a nutter Unwelcome present Cruel taunts you mutter Every insult that you utter makes me strong
In another staging these insults could be taken by community/ensemble voices, but that'll never happen now. Plant your feet and state the obvious, it is.
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Post by inthenose on Oct 4, 2022 12:03:16 GMT
This is going to be hilarious.
How does the whole world know this is going to absolutely tank, but not the investors? How much can any incredibly wealthy person be just happy to lose?
We’re now going to have certain mildly cretinous nobodies from the London ensemble piping up. We’ve already had people liking tweets they shouldn’t. This is going to be - frankly - a ****show with terrible people on every side. A sort of middle class Jerry Springer with tweets and “yaaas Queen”.
8 weeks from press night is still my bet.
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Post by ladidah on Oct 4, 2022 14:54:12 GMT
Can't see who the audience is for this still. Are they trying to cash in on Heathers and Mean Girls fan with the new look?
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Post by christya on Oct 4, 2022 15:19:50 GMT
I'd suspect that's precisely what they're trying to do. It's all feeling a bit try-hard to me, but Webber will not back down.
I'm a tad miffed that after the London production using two 'fuller figured' leading ladies, their Broadway Cinderella is back to being, essentially, conventionally pretty.
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Post by BurlyBeaR on Oct 4, 2022 15:36:28 GMT
Let’s hope they’re rethinking that wig.
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Post by cezbear on Oct 4, 2022 17:03:36 GMT
Thinking about the title song (which I mostly do like, dodgy lyrics aside), I think what bugs me about is the lack of 'show, don't tell'. Show us she's a rebel and a 'bad girl' with her actions, with how others talk about and react to her. Don't just have her turn up and announce how bad she is. Especially when she then does nothing whatsoever to actually be this rebel figure, and instead drips around the stage singing sad songs.
Maybe that's being fixed in rewrites. I'll choose optimism!
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Post by AddisonMizner on Oct 4, 2022 20:41:13 GMT
I am very tempted to actually go to New York for this. I never got around to seeing the production in London.
Plus, the new SWEENEY TODD revival is on at the same time.
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Post by inthenose on Oct 4, 2022 21:04:40 GMT
Let’s not forget the ALW new show/revival cycle.
1. Launch new show or revival, hyping up his current muse du jour 2. Disparage previous productions, shifting blame to other creatives, cast and even audiences. Claim this is his finest work (for new shows) or is the production he always envisaged (for revivals) 3. Repeat step one
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Post by theatremiss on Oct 4, 2022 22:47:33 GMT
I was just checking in at the BA lounge at JFK when ALW came to check in. Obviously unlike me I didn’t have an airport assistant to walk with me. I assume he’s been in NYC for this show. I can’t see this doing well on Broadway
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Post by scarpia on Oct 5, 2022 10:01:09 GMT
Let’s not forget the ALW new show/revival cycle. 1. Launch new show or revival, hyping up his current muse du jour 2. Disparage previous productions, shifting blame to other creatives, cast and even audiences. Claim this is his finest work (for new shows) or is the production he always envisaged (for revivals) 3. Repeat step one It's been rare for him to do that with revivals because what gets revived generally had a successful life in the original incarnation. It's more the post-millennium new shows where this became the standard practice. He won't have COVID this time to blame, so wonder who/what it will it be.
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Post by woobl on Oct 5, 2022 15:43:45 GMT
'polish' and 'turd' come to mind...
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Post by ThereWillBeSun on Oct 5, 2022 17:40:54 GMT
I can't get over the launch - it's just going to live rent free in my head hehehehehe
So cringe. Not the new lead's fault but I'm just internally dying.
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Post by ladidah on Oct 6, 2022 13:04:18 GMT
I still think the main thing wrong is the book.
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Post by anita on Oct 6, 2022 14:00:54 GMT
Could do with a new lyricist.
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Post by oxfordsimon on Oct 6, 2022 15:17:42 GMT
And a new score
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Post by andypandy on Oct 6, 2022 20:49:23 GMT
I still think the main thing wrong is the book. And half the dreadful clunky music, casio keyboard band, the obvious woke storyline that isn't special or different, the message of hate throughout the show, the terrible end of act one and reveal that makes no sense, the oddly written fairygodmother character, there is no real duet in the show, the set looks horrible and they don't know the marketing or audience angle the show needs. I did like some of the ballads though and there IS a good show in there somewhere. 30 per cent of the material is good. I wish them well! I hated Woman in White on the West End and I loved it at Charing Cross, same with Love Never Dies version 1 to oz version 3
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Post by stagebyte on Oct 6, 2022 22:14:03 GMT
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Post by lolalou on Oct 6, 2022 22:26:58 GMT
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Post by sukhavati on Oct 7, 2022 3:48:21 GMT
This is going to be hilarious. How does the whole world know this is going to absolutely tank, but not the investors? How much can any incredibly wealthy person be just happy to lose? In the US? It will be a tax write off, as in "The Producers."
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Post by sukhavati on Oct 7, 2022 3:54:11 GMT
Let’s not forget the ALW new show/revival cycle. 1. Launch new show or revival, hyping up his current muse du jour 2. Disparage previous productions, shifting blame to other creatives, cast and even audiences. Claim this is his finest work (for new shows) or is the production he always envisaged (for revivals) 3. Repeat step one Well, he's got form...
A) Jeeves>By Jeeves - tick.
B) Love Never Dies, London > LND, Australia > tick. TBH, I liked the Australian production.
Honourable mentions: Whistle Down the Wind, The Woman in White.
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