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Post by Deleted on Mar 24, 2023 23:12:09 GMT
I think some critics are particularly harsh on this show right now because Broadway has (or recently had) other princess or fairy tale shows that far outshine Bad Cinderella. If you're bringing something similar to the stage, you've got a higher bar for comparison than a brand new show that may break ground.
In his review for the Chicago Tribune, Chris Jones alludes to this:
"Why, one wonders aplenty as one watches, did such a distinguished personage of the musical theater as the incomparable Andrew Lloyd Webber choose to spend some of his precious remaining time on Earth on a musical updating of a beloved fairytale that (a) has no demonstrable respect whatsoever for the dramaturgical structure of the source, and (b) comes with a crass and mostly tasteless sense of humor that feels woefully out of sync with the moment."
I don’t see how that quote alludes to your point at all.
OK.
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Post by d'James on Mar 25, 2023 0:04:28 GMT
I’ve not seen the show, but I thought the one being so harsh about the lead actress was too much.
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Post by westendboy on Mar 25, 2023 0:40:54 GMT
Considering his son was moved to hospice care yesterday, I imagine it probably isn't his biggest problem. I've only recently just found this out, so my comment was definitely ignorant of me. Wasn't my intention to make light of his current situation.
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Post by karloscar on Mar 25, 2023 11:09:16 GMT
Queerty had one of the more interesting reviews: "If you’ve ever wondered what it would be like to have a RuPaul’s Drag Race Rusical on Broadway, Bad Cinderella is it. Like any Rusical, it has a simple, familiar plot, cheesy dialogue, overly dramatic acting (I can imagine Ru yelling “go bigger!”), a disappointing wig and costume reveal, a cast of caricaturish supporting characters and comedic cameos, a poorly written lead role impossible for the actor to sell, and an ensemble that features a chorus of “hunks” — Bad Cinderella’s shirtless, harness-wearing, fencing version of the Pit Crew." He also points out that camp almost never works when it's self-consciously superimposed on a show. Sashay away!
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Post by andypandy on Mar 25, 2023 19:57:38 GMT
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Post by westendboy on Mar 26, 2023 1:10:38 GMT
My thoughts are with Andrew and his family. This news is honestly so heartbreaking.
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Post by Mark on Mar 26, 2023 3:14:12 GMT
I think the criticism on this production has been unduly harsh. It is essentially the same as the West End production, although I found the colour palate much more striking and everything just a bit tighter and edgier. There's a new number at the start - "Beauty is our duty", and another replacing Unbreakable.
I wasn't keen on Linedy Genao in act one but she grew on me in the second act. Had understudy for Prince Sebastian (Julio Rey) and he was wonderful - Only You, Lonely You was a highlight.. as was I Know You, and pretty much everything involving Carolee Carmello and Grace Mclean.
I certainly enjoyed seeing this again having enjoyed it in London.
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Post by minion on Mar 26, 2023 4:02:17 GMT
Looking back, I actually think the original London reviews - which were unexplainably overly positive - did them a huge disservice. I think they purposely spun the positivity at the time as we were just starting to open up again after Covid lockdowns and they wanted to give the industry a little boost and light. But in doing so, they might have lulled the production team into thinking they had some kind of modern masterpiece on their hands. Oh I don't know. It ran less than a year in London and was snubbed at the Oliviers. The Telegraph 5* review came out right after the very first preview, which is so unusual that it's hard not to think that the producers played a $ignificant role in that. They must have been really deluded. But it could be! I was very surprised they didn't get a name for the leading role, maybe they really were overconfident in the material. I think that review was Quentin Letts in the Times, so you know, paid or not, should have been treated the way all Letts' work should be treated, and be completely ignored because he even thrives off people calling out his bigotry.
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Post by chernjam on Mar 26, 2023 4:05:20 GMT
The critics were unnecessarily snarky and at times unprofessional. That being said - it's sad that they don't seem to be completely wrong from the word of mouth. As an ALW fan and sometimes defender, I've been more than willing to give the benefit of the doubt, and the music/score -there's plenty that I've enjoyed listening to Cinderella (Far too late has been in my head as has the Cinderella Waltz/I know you theme...) no other composer writes music that I find myself humming to myself for days on end. My hesitation was always the subject matter. Not interested in a fairy tale - conventional or not... Add that people are talking through previews about it being over the top campy - definitely not for me.
I'm curious if as some of you mentioned, those London reviews really lulled them into thinking that sans COVID shutdowns, play up the campy/comedic parts that people would see it as simply a fun night out and not over think it. I mean reading the original reviews, no one was saying this was "the next Phantom" or anything. They just saw it as something comical that in my opinion, was undermined by the petulant cast. this cast definitely seems like they're having a good time and been supportive even with a couple of illnesses/injuries/etc. Linedy's appearance on TV singing Bad Cinderella this week seemed well done/well received (nothing like the train wreck of CHF West End Live)
Those seem to make the most sense why there was not thing substantive done to the show. When so many of you pointed that there was nothing that made sense about being home at midnight and the Godmother goes from suggesting plastic surgery to these weird costume techniques -none of that makes sense.
The silence from Emerald is deafening.
I'm just disappointed that this probably won't get recorded. The full orchestra in clips I've seen and heard sounds phenomenal. And they all seem to agree Sebastians "Only You" is amazing. Not paying those outrageous prices to check that out (nor venturing into NYC at the moment where the city has really gone downhill the last 3 years in terms of crime) Coming to London for my first visit to the UK to seem Aspects is more likely
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Post by Deleted on Mar 26, 2023 6:14:58 GMT
You don't have to pay any outrageous prices to see Bad Cinderella in NYC. Cheap discounted tickets abound for most performances and after the reviews may well continue to do so.
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Post by Dr Tom on Apr 8, 2023 21:27:23 GMT
This has transferred incredibly well and I was impressed by the leads. The set is much more impressive, as is Cinderella's transformation. Some of the clunkiest lines have been improved. I wasn't sold on the song changes, even though this runs a few minutes longer than it did in London. It is very odd having several of the leads play the roles with American accents.
The magical moment for the audience in the second act no longer happens (as the stage is fixed in place) which is a shame.
For my Sunday visit, the theatre wasn't terribly full. I'd be surprised if this is still running next time I'm in New York. But personally, I would be very happy to see this again, especially with all the discounted tickets around.
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Post by standingo on Apr 23, 2023 15:22:43 GMT
It was a fun night. Some of the music is really good.
Almost every season needs a show for people to pounce on with disdain… and on Broadway, Bad Cinderella is this year’s Diana or Lestat. But it’s better than its reputation.
I’d love to get a cast recording but we have the London version at least.
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Post by andypandy on Apr 25, 2023 8:03:48 GMT
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Post by sukhavati on Apr 25, 2023 12:26:09 GMT
The most inesplicable thing is why ALW didn't get a new director - as he did with Love Never Dies - who would have looked at the show with fresh eyes and obviously much needed improvements. A real director might answer back. That’s why ALW (and CM) prefer to work with Laurence Connor. I was told that while working on LND Oz, Simon Phillips purposely kept ALW on the other side of the world to keep him from interfering and didn't want him out until about two weeks before previews. There were changes in lyrics and some incidental music right up until opening, but most of the essentials were set.
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Post by mattnyc on Apr 25, 2023 12:51:45 GMT
As someone who has enjoyed himself enough whenever I’ve seen the show, I’ve grown so exhausted with it’s absolute insistence that nothing needs to change despite literally every single person who sees it telling them how to fix it. Swallow your pride, Webber and either just close it or close it for renovations like you did before, hire a DRAG QUEEN or hell, any other gay man to come in and rewrite the book to the gay fever dream it’s begging to be.
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Post by viserys on Apr 25, 2023 15:57:09 GMT
Pretty brutal, being the only new show on Broadway not being nominated for a Drama League Award. While I'm not a fan of this show, it does feel a bit like Anti-ALW bias. Doesn't bode well for the Tonys next week.
The nominations for Outstanding Production of a Musical
& Juliet A Beautiful Noise Dreaming Zenzile New York, New York Shucked Some Like It Hot Titanique White Girl in Danger Wise Children's Wuthering Heights
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Post by marob on Apr 25, 2023 16:29:49 GMT
Interesting the article claims ALW is the one who wants to close the show, since he was hellbent on it opening there.
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Post by magnificentdonkey on Apr 25, 2023 17:45:10 GMT
Interesting the article claims ALW is the one who wants to close the show, since he was hellbent on it opening there. Maybe he has seen the error of his ways... how likely is that?
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Post by Mark on Apr 25, 2023 18:37:32 GMT
It really does seem like an anti ALW crusade. This is better than the utter mess that is White Girl in Danger, and better than Beautiful Noise.
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Post by BVM on Apr 25, 2023 19:25:48 GMT
This has transferred incredibly well and I was impressed by the leads. The set is much more impressive, as is Cinderella's transformation. Some of the clunkiest lines have been improved. I wasn't sold on the song changes, even though this runs a few minutes longer than it did in London. It is very odd having several of the leads play the roles with American accents. The magical moment for the audience in the second act no longer happens (as the stage is fixed in place) which is a shame. For my Sunday visit, the theatre wasn't terribly full. I'd be surprised if this is still running next time I'm in New York. But personally, I would be very happy to see this again, especially with all the discounted tickets around. I agree with you, I really enjoyed this on Broadway. Other than obviously missing the magic of the revolve in Act 2, thought it was brighter, tighter, bigger, and yes better than London (which I also loved - I am a fan of this show). The lighting and sound were stunning! I wasn't ever expecting it to do well on Broadway but I remain really glad it happened and hope to see it again there before it closes. Desperate for a complete Broadway cast recording (yeah I know, never gonna happen) for posterity as can't see this show popping up anywhere else anytime soon (/ever!).
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Post by BVM on Apr 25, 2023 19:29:03 GMT
It really does seem like an anti ALW crusade. This is better than the utter mess that is White Girl in Danger, and better than Beautiful Noise. I do agree really. It's sad. Fully appreciate the shortcomings of this show and the reasons it's not to everyone's taste - but there is no way it has deserved quite the level of bile it's received. Though pleased to say every time I've seen it the atmosphere has been great and the reception fantastic.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 25, 2023 22:31:57 GMT
Drama League Awards are often a bit off from what you might expect. The Tony nominations will be the real indicator.
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Post by karloscar on Apr 26, 2023 20:23:15 GMT
Outer Critics Circle didn't even think the costumes or lighting were worthy of a nomination.
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Post by evilmat360 on Apr 26, 2023 20:30:04 GMT
Another official clip from the show to help compare the 2 productions
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Post by magnificentdonkey on Apr 26, 2023 22:15:51 GMT
Another official clip from the show to help compare the 2 productions Thanks. Now I want it professionally filmed and released to the public
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