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Post by marob on Mar 17, 2023 22:27:30 GMT
Seems to be the implication, though couldn’t find anything else on it on google.
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Post by BurlyBeaR on Mar 18, 2023 9:14:17 GMT
“A costly mistake”
If it gets slammed by the U.S critics I wonder who or what he’ll blame?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 18, 2023 11:06:36 GMT
According to last week's grosses, it has a very low average ticket price right now for Broadway ($68.44) suggesting heavy discounts and/or papering just to get to 88% capacity. Not a lot of buzz for the production, so lukewarm or bad reviews could send it packing much sooner rather than later.
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Post by marob on Mar 18, 2023 11:18:22 GMT
Opening night’s on Thursday so we’ll find out soon enough.
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Post by Oliver on Mar 18, 2023 13:22:18 GMT
Opening night’s on Thursday so we’ll find out soon enough. We won't find out anything, the critics on Broadway hate ALW and give him negative reviews no matter what the shows are like. When has ALW ever got good reviews on Broadway?
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Post by chernjam on Mar 19, 2023 0:14:16 GMT
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Post by christya on Mar 19, 2023 18:18:39 GMT
I wish his son well, but I'm not letting ALW off for the way he behaved. His being unable to be there for the new opening night is absolutely understandable, but the mess with the West End cast still happened.
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Post by c4ndyc4ne on Mar 19, 2023 18:47:25 GMT
I wish his son well, but I'm not letting ALW off for the way he behaved. His being unable to be there for the new opening night is absolutely understandable, but the mess with the West End cast still happened. I think given his circumstances at that time, it's understandable that he might have overlooked some poor phrasing on a letter. The mess with the new cast's contracts was a lot more problematic. The question is – did that fault stem directly from him or just poor form from the production team?
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Post by Oliver on Mar 19, 2023 19:01:52 GMT
I wish his son well, but I'm not letting ALW off for the way he behaved. His being unable to be there for the new opening night is absolutely understandable, but the mess with the West End cast still happened. That sentiment in the circumstances reflects badly on you I'm afraid.
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Post by christya on Mar 19, 2023 19:34:21 GMT
I wish his son well, but I'm not letting ALW off for the way he behaved. His being unable to be there for the new opening night is absolutely understandable, but the mess with the West End cast still happened. That sentiment in the circumstances reflects badly on you I'm afraid. Well, I don't much care about that. People don't get a pass because something bad happens to them. He isn't suddenly a good person who treated his cast with respect.
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Post by fiyerorocher on Mar 19, 2023 23:07:58 GMT
I have to agree. Sad circumstances, certainly, but it doesn't excuse everything that happened to the London cast. People finding out on Twitter that they'd never get to go on, their leading lady having to find out from a friend rather than officially from the production, the rumoured way he treated the original cast following the negative US reviews... That all cannot simply be put down to this. I hope the US has a better time of things, for however long it lasts.
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Post by Oliver on Mar 19, 2023 23:54:22 GMT
I have to agree. Sad circumstances, certainly, but it doesn't excuse everything that happened to the London cast. People finding out on Twitter that they'd never get to go on, their leading lady having to find out from a friend rather than officially from the production, the rumoured way he treated the original cast following the negative US reviews... That all cannot simply be put down to this. I hope the US has a better time of things, for however long it lasts. Wow... shocking! I hope you don't suffer too many sleepless nights.
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Post by fiyerorocher on Mar 20, 2023 0:25:58 GMT
Not sure what you find shocking? Treating an entire group of people the way the Cinderella cast and crew (original and never to be) were treated is unacceptable regardless of what you have going on in your life. I stand by that and can assure you I will sleep just fine.
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Post by Oliver on Mar 20, 2023 1:12:19 GMT
Not sure what you find shocking? Treating an entire group of people the way the Cinderella cast and crew (original and never to be) were treated is unacceptable regardless of what you have going on in your life. I stand by that and can assure you I will sleep just fine. Really? Is sarcasm beyond your comprehension? I will make a mental note to always be literal when I reply to your posts in future, then. Your dispassionate words, 'sad circumstances, certainly' over his son being critically ill with cancer make me wonder why you would begin to think you have any sort of moral superiority in the first place. You know nothing about what was really going on. If someone close to me was critically ill, they would be my first priority, not the cast.
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Post by chernjam on Mar 20, 2023 1:26:40 GMT
Not sure what you find shocking? Treating an entire group of people the way the Cinderella cast and crew (original and never to be) were treated is unacceptable regardless of what you have going on in your life. I stand by that and can assure you I will sleep just fine. Really? Is sarcasm beyond your comprehension? I will make a mental note to always be literal when I reply to your posts in future, then. Your dispassionate words, 'sad circumstances, certainly' over his son being critically ill with cancer make me wonder why you would begin to think you have any sort of moral superiority in the first place. You know nothing about what was really going on. If someone close to me was critically ill, they would be my first priority, not the cast. ^ exactly this... the "poor cast and crew" - spare me. people got paid and bitched and moaned that they weren't fawned over and had this production remain open even when it was losing money.
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Post by fiyerorocher on Mar 20, 2023 9:36:26 GMT
I don't think the show should have remained open - it wasn't very good - but the cast and crew absolutely deserved better. I don't think there's any excuse to treat people terribly. You can have things going on in your life and also still be a professional and decent person. There was no sarcasm in your post, Oliver. You just seem to have a very black and white view of things when there ought to be shades of grey. It is sad what's going on in ALW's personal life, but that earns no one a blank cheque to treat everyone else poorly, at least in my book.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2023 10:17:12 GMT
Might we return to talking about the show instead of posters lobbing criticism at each other?
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Post by Peter on Mar 20, 2023 12:10:49 GMT
Pretty sure that there is an entire team of people at RUG involved in running a show - unless ALW should have been ringing everyone up individually to explain everything (always assuming he could do that before someone blabbed anyway which would be unlikely), putting all the blame onto one person who clearly has other distractions seem a bit . . . graceless? No doubting that the treatment was shoddy, and that ‘the boss’ should take the majority of the heat, but it seems to be more due to a systemic failure on the production side than him actively being an arse…
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Post by fiyerorocher on Mar 20, 2023 12:16:43 GMT
I think both can be true
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Post by Oliver on Mar 20, 2023 12:40:27 GMT
I don't think the show should have remained open - it wasn't very good - but the cast and crew absolutely deserved better. I don't think there's any excuse to treat people terribly. You can have things going on in your life and also still be a professional and decent person. There was no sarcasm in your post, Oliver. You just seem to have a very black and white view of things when there ought to be shades of grey. It is sad what's going on in ALW's personal life, but that earns no one a blank cheque to treat everyone else poorly, at least in my book. I see my position as the opposite to black and white. I am not saying ALW was in the right necessarily, but there is always two sides to a story. I would also suggest that personal circumstances can have a seriously negative impact on the way people interact with others at a given point in time (or not as the case may be). I know some people are able to avoid that kind of behaviour at all times, which is of course admirable, but they most likely have better coping mechanisms in place.
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Post by oxfordsimon on Mar 20, 2023 12:43:36 GMT
Can we stop with speculation about the mental health of an individual please?
It is not at all appropriate to throw about such thoughts with zero evidence.
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Post by TallPaul on Mar 20, 2023 13:11:29 GMT
There's a difference between discussing someone's mental health when it's in the public domain, and speculating.
Can we all please try and keep the thread (mostly) about Bad Cinderella.
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Post by Oliver on Mar 20, 2023 17:02:40 GMT
There's a difference between discussing someone's mental health when it's in the public domain, and speculating.
Can we all please try and keep the thread (mostly) about Bad Cinderella. Point taken, I retract that. It was insensitive of me to speculate on such a sensitive issue.
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Post by andypandy on Mar 23, 2023 14:31:45 GMT
ITS OPENING NIGHT!
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Post by BurlyBeaR on Mar 23, 2023 14:59:22 GMT
Predictions?
Hit or flop with the US critics?
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