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Post by fiyerorocher on Mar 20, 2023 9:36:26 GMT
I don't think the show should have remained open - it wasn't very good - but the cast and crew absolutely deserved better. I don't think there's any excuse to treat people terribly. You can have things going on in your life and also still be a professional and decent person. There was no sarcasm in your post, Oliver. You just seem to have a very black and white view of things when there ought to be shades of grey. It is sad what's going on in ALW's personal life, but that earns no one a blank cheque to treat everyone else poorly, at least in my book.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2023 10:17:12 GMT
Might we return to talking about the show instead of posters lobbing criticism at each other?
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Post by Peter on Mar 20, 2023 12:10:49 GMT
Pretty sure that there is an entire team of people at RUG involved in running a show - unless ALW should have been ringing everyone up individually to explain everything (always assuming he could do that before someone blabbed anyway which would be unlikely), putting all the blame onto one person who clearly has other distractions seem a bit . . . graceless? No doubting that the treatment was shoddy, and that ‘the boss’ should take the majority of the heat, but it seems to be more due to a systemic failure on the production side than him actively being an arse…
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Post by fiyerorocher on Mar 20, 2023 12:16:43 GMT
I think both can be true
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Post by Oliver on Mar 20, 2023 12:40:27 GMT
I don't think the show should have remained open - it wasn't very good - but the cast and crew absolutely deserved better. I don't think there's any excuse to treat people terribly. You can have things going on in your life and also still be a professional and decent person. There was no sarcasm in your post, Oliver. You just seem to have a very black and white view of things when there ought to be shades of grey. It is sad what's going on in ALW's personal life, but that earns no one a blank cheque to treat everyone else poorly, at least in my book. I see my position as the opposite to black and white. I am not saying ALW was in the right necessarily, but there is always two sides to a story. I would also suggest that personal circumstances can have a seriously negative impact on the way people interact with others at a given point in time (or not as the case may be). I know some people are able to avoid that kind of behaviour at all times, which is of course admirable, but they most likely have better coping mechanisms in place.
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Post by oxfordsimon on Mar 20, 2023 12:43:36 GMT
Can we stop with speculation about the mental health of an individual please?
It is not at all appropriate to throw about such thoughts with zero evidence.
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Post by TallPaul on Mar 20, 2023 13:11:29 GMT
There's a difference between discussing someone's mental health when it's in the public domain, and speculating.
Can we all please try and keep the thread (mostly) about Bad Cinderella.
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Post by Oliver on Mar 20, 2023 17:02:40 GMT
There's a difference between discussing someone's mental health when it's in the public domain, and speculating.
Can we all please try and keep the thread (mostly) about Bad Cinderella. Point taken, I retract that. It was insensitive of me to speculate on such a sensitive issue.
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Post by andypandy on Mar 23, 2023 14:31:45 GMT
ITS OPENING NIGHT!
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Post by BurlyBeaR on Mar 23, 2023 14:59:22 GMT
Predictions?
Hit or flop with the US critics?
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Post by chernjam on Mar 23, 2023 17:33:10 GMT
I'm predicting mixed-positive from the critics
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Post by mattnyc on Mar 23, 2023 18:19:52 GMT
I was at the final preview and the crowd was so much more enthusiastic than I’m used to for this show. If I were a betting man I’d bet on mixed to negative reviews across the board with some good pull quotes focusing on the cast. I also fully expect more than one review playing on “Bad Cinderella” being “Bad”. We shall see what happens tonight…
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Post by Deleted on Mar 24, 2023 4:03:52 GMT
The bad reviews are very, very bad. Some of the more vicious callouts I've seen in a long long time.
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Post by mattnyc on Mar 24, 2023 4:59:31 GMT
Maybe I should become a betting man.
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Post by fluxcapacitor on Mar 24, 2023 5:54:13 GMT
Ouch. These reviews.
The frustrating thing from reading a bunch is that they could so easily be describing the London production. They seem to pick up on the same issues, problems, frustrations, and - in fairness - highlights (e.g. “Only You”)
They had plenty of time to overhaul it. To make it better. To make sense of it. But these reviews show they just changed a few lyrics, added a couple of tunes, gave Cinders a new hairstyle and didn’t bother looking at the deeper issues.
I think this one might go down in infamy and be quoted as one of the “BIGGEST FLOPS ON BROADWAY - EVER!!” clickbait links for years to come.
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Post by BurlyBeaR on Mar 24, 2023 6:06:44 GMT
New York Times “The title warned us” ⭐️ New York Post “A wacko storybook dumpster fire on Broadway” ⭐️
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Post by andypandy on Mar 24, 2023 6:06:52 GMT
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Post by karloscar on Mar 24, 2023 8:12:15 GMT
Well at least it's the writers and director who are taking the flak. And rightly so. "Is it too late to rename it Great Stepmother?" has to be the best headline so far.
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Post by Someone in a tree on Mar 24, 2023 8:42:29 GMT
How cruel is it to laugh at all these bad reviews ?
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Post by steve10086 on Mar 24, 2023 8:46:17 GMT
How cruel is it to laugh at all these bad reviews ? Not at all. The people behind this show have heard all these criticisms before, from the London production, and then done f**k all to address them. They deserve all the terrible reviews they get.
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Post by jgblunners on Mar 24, 2023 10:59:20 GMT
“When lyricists are replaced by ChatGPT, Zippel will not be mourned.”
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Post by Deleted on Mar 24, 2023 11:57:19 GMT
From the Variety review:
To clear up the obvious question, “Bad Cinderella,” which opened at the Imperial Theater Thursday night, isn’t good. Composed by Webber and with lyrics by David Zippel, it is a muddled and momentum-less retooling of the familiar fairy tale in search of a coherent point of view as if it were a glass-slippered foot.
And this is one of the more generous critic responses.
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Post by ThereWillBeSun on Mar 24, 2023 12:20:11 GMT
How cruel is it to laugh at all these bad reviews ? Not at all. The people behind this show have heard all these criticisms before, from the London production, and then done f**k all to address them. They deserve all the terrible reviews they get. THIS is the frustrating thing... it feels like more thought has gone into rebranding Cinderella rather than address the issues at hand. I steered well clear of the WE production because ALW just p*ssed me off with the whole 'I'm saving the industry' when he did nothing to champion new writers during the pandemic. I appreciate I can't be a critic in that sense as I didn't see the production in person, but can only go by bootlegs and what's been discussed on here / Mickey Jo Theatre. (looks like he was there for the final preview)
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Post by fluxcapacitor on Mar 24, 2023 13:20:36 GMT
How cruel is it to laugh at all these bad reviews ? Not at all. The people behind this show have heard all these criticisms before, from the London production, and then done f**k all to address them. They deserve all the terrible reviews they get. Hit the nail on the head. I haven't read any new criticisms in these reviews. I've heard everything before - all directed at the original production. I just don't understand how a show which had months of development, then a much longer period of previews than usual, followed by a lauded West End Run, could fail so incredibly to change any of the core issues before opening on Broadway. They just spray painted it a bit and thought they knew better. It beggars belief. Looking back, I actually think the original London reviews - which were unexplainably overly positive - did them a huge disservice. I think they purposely spun the positivity at the time as we were just starting to open up again after Covid lockdowns and they wanted to give the industry a little boost and light. But in doing so, they might have lulled the production team into thinking they had some kind of modern masterpiece on their hands.
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Post by couldileaveyou on Mar 24, 2023 13:33:13 GMT
Looking back, I actually think the original London reviews - which were unexplainably overly positive - did them a huge disservice. I think they purposely spun the positivity at the time as we were just starting to open up again after Covid lockdowns and they wanted to give the industry a little boost and light. But in doing so, they might have lulled the production team into thinking they had some kind of modern masterpiece on their hands. Oh I don't know. It ran less than a year in London and was snubbed at the Oliviers. The Telegraph 5* review came out right after the very first preview, which is so unusual that it's hard not to think that the producers played a $ignificant role in that. They must have been really deluded. But it could be! I was very surprised they didn't get a name for the leading role, maybe they really were overconfident in the material.
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Post by couldileaveyou on Mar 24, 2023 13:37:41 GMT
Also, I didn't realize that the book was not just Emerald Fennell's. IBDB credits Alexis Scheer for "additional material", but the New York Times review says Scheer's role was "book adaptation". Was there a fall out in the creative team?
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Post by woobl on Mar 24, 2023 15:35:34 GMT
Well at least it's the writers and director who are taking the flak. And rightly so. "Is it too late to rename it Great Stepmother?" has to be the best headline so far. Seems ALW and Cameron Mackintosh's lapdog is getting some flack by the critics - funny that a yes-man has done so well. Oh, wait...
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Post by westendboy on Mar 24, 2023 17:47:21 GMT
The bad reviews are very, very bad. Some of the more vicious callouts I've seen in a long long time. And only two days after ALW's birthday! That's gotta sting!
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Post by steve10086 on Mar 24, 2023 18:20:31 GMT
The bad reviews are very, very bad. Some of the more vicious callouts I've seen in a long long time. And only two days after ALW's birthday! That's gotta sting! He’s got worse things to deal with right now 😢
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Post by anthony on Mar 24, 2023 20:25:54 GMT
The bad reviews are very, very bad. Some of the more vicious callouts I've seen in a long long time. And only two days after ALW's birthday! That's gotta sting! Considering his son was moved to hospice care yesterday, I imagine it probably isn't his biggest problem. Obviously I haven't seen the Broadway version and whilst the West End version had its problems, it really isn't as bad as some of these revies make out. Genuinely think that it's just popular at the moment to hate any anything the Lord touches. Saying that, it seems crazy to have transferred it without a major revamp.
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