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Post by oxfordsimon on Jul 7, 2022 18:28:14 GMT
Looks like nominations might close next Wednesday
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Post by Jon on Jul 7, 2022 18:35:39 GMT
I expect Boris will lay low for a bit, probably finishing his Shakespeare book and his memoirs then do one of the big reality shows, I'm sure he'd be offered big bucks to do IAC or Strictly.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 7, 2022 20:05:55 GMT
It’s annoying if you’re watching live, but don’t MPs of all parties just keep repeating themselves largely because they know that the press will only clip out a few seconds anyway for a soundbite, which is itself repeated constantly as they try to fill a 24 hr news programme. Glad to see Boris on his way out, finally, after a great many scandals. Also quite happy to see Priti Patel come next to last in that Yougov poll. It wasn't a live interview, and I've never seen MPs, especially a leader do it so obviously so consistently in a short amount of time. It was just very strange |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 7, 2022 20:09:52 GMT
Suella Braverman as PM would be hysterical for all of 6 seconds, because she's got the charisma of lard and the leadership capability of sandpaper. Bin them ALL. Every last one of them. Get Nads to go off into the sunset with BoJo, send JRM back to the 1700s where he belongs, never talk about Priti Patel EVER again, and start again. We've had nearly 13 years of this sh*t, time for a new party to come in and see what they can sort out. And for anyone about to tell me Labour would be worse? It LITERALLY can't get worse than what we're living through. It doesn't GET worse than this. It really could. As bad as it feels, look around the world, plenty of countries have far worse governments with less freedoms, and if you want a more western comparison look at America. Part of the problem is we have ended up with a two party system, and neither works in their current form. |
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Post by olliebean on Jul 7, 2022 21:17:23 GMT
It’s annoying if you’re watching live, but don’t MPs of all parties just keep repeating themselves largely because they know that the press will only clip out a few seconds anyway for a soundbite, which is itself repeated constantly as they try to fill a 24 hr news programme. Glad to see Boris on his way out, finally, after a great many scandals. Also quite happy to see Priti Patel come next to last in that Yougov poll. It wasn't a live interview, and I've never seen MPs, especially a leader do it so obviously so consistently in a short amount of time. It was just very strange This one comes to mind: |
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Post by Jon on Jul 8, 2022 11:07:58 GMT
Tom Tugendhat enters the leadership race, not sure if he'll go far as he has no experience in Government.
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Post by ceebee on Jul 8, 2022 16:36:29 GMT
Tom Tugendhat is a rare MP of integrity, charm and modesty. He would be an excellent PM.
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Post by TallPaul on Jul 8, 2022 16:51:50 GMT
And then there were three...Suella, Tom and Rishi.
Isn't it supposed to be the Labour Party that's progressive?
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Post by Jan on Jul 8, 2022 17:52:04 GMT
No-one from the left of the party can win with the members. Tugendhat and Hunt therefore have no chance unless they fix it so that the MPs agree a single candidate so it doesn't have to go to a members vote, like they did when May ascended to the throne. If Boris endorses a candidate that will boost their chances with a few MPs and with a lot of the membership - if that is Mordaunt she may have a chance. Wallace appears popular but only because so far no-one seems to know what his position is on any issue at all except Ukraine. Zahawi is not a serious candidate. Baker likewise. So, Sunak or Truss I suppose. Sunak is perceived to be in Cummings' pocket, plus all his non-dom problems. So Truss I'd guess. Lord Frost would walk it if he were an MP - next time.
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Post by Jon on Jul 8, 2022 18:11:55 GMT
Ben Wallace is competent but he's rumoured to be after the top job at NATO which might rule him out.
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Post by BurlyBeaR on Jul 8, 2022 18:16:49 GMT
And then there were three...Suella, Tom and Rishi. Isn't it supposed to be the Labour Party that's progressive? Liz Truss might not have declared yet but one of her supporters said on the radio this morning that she’s definitely standing. |
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Post by oxfordsimon on Jul 8, 2022 18:18:36 GMT
Ben Wallace is competent but he's rumoured to be after the top job at NATO which might rule him out. the French have vetoed that idea |
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Post by theglenbucklaird on Jul 8, 2022 19:00:28 GMT
No-one from the left of the party can win with the members. Tugendhat and Hunt therefore have no chance unless they fix it so that the MPs agree a single candidate so it doesn't have to go to a members vote, like they did when May ascended to the throne. If Boris endorses a candidate that will boost their chances with a few MPs and with a lot of the membership - if that is Mordaunt she may have a chance. Wallace appears popular but only because so far no-one seems to know what his position is on any issue at all except Ukraine. Zahawi is not a serious candidate. Baker likewise. So, Sunak or Truss I suppose. Sunak is perceived to be in Cummings' pocket, plus all his non-dom problems. So Truss I'd guess. Lord Frost would walk it if he were an MP - next time. A right wing candidate would win, again? Suprises me that |
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Post by oxfordsimon on Jul 8, 2022 19:10:59 GMT
One name I hadn't expected to see as a possible candidate is Kemi Badenoch. She doesn't have the base to mount a real challenge but she is capable and deserving of promotion.
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Post by Jan on Jul 8, 2022 19:50:11 GMT
No-one from the left of the party can win with the members. Tugendhat and Hunt therefore have no chance unless they fix it so that the MPs agree a single candidate so it doesn't have to go to a members vote, like they did when May ascended to the throne. If Boris endorses a candidate that will boost their chances with a few MPs and with a lot of the membership - if that is Mordaunt she may have a chance. Wallace appears popular but only because so far no-one seems to know what his position is on any issue at all except Ukraine. Zahawi is not a serious candidate. Baker likewise. So, Sunak or Truss I suppose. Sunak is perceived to be in Cummings' pocket, plus all his non-dom problems. So Truss I'd guess. Lord Frost would walk it if he were an MP - next time. A right wing candidate would win, again? Suprises me that Membership polling shows Hunt losing against every other serious candidate if it goes to the membership. Tugendhat would do even worse - for example the fact he has French dual nationality counts against him with the membership due to a perceived conflict of interest. But Wallace might be a left-wing candidate, like I said no-one really knows. Sunak isn’t really from the right of the party, he could easily win. Not sure if Javid will stand. |
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Post by Jon on Jul 8, 2022 19:55:51 GMT
Sunak vs Mordaunt would be an interesting prospect. It's insane that the Tories will either have their first non white leader and PM and third female leader and PM.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 8, 2022 20:01:20 GMT
Sunak vs Mordaunt would be an interesting prospect. It's insane that the Tories will either have their first non white leader and PM and third female leader and PM. People always seem to go on about the tories being this or that, but they have had a much more diverse range of leaders and MPs and also legalised same sex marriage. As it stands I want Sunak, he is also the most statesman like of all the candidates that I can see. After years of the mess that is Boris on the world stage, it would be good to have someone serious and more professional. Whatever his downsides I do at least trust sunak to be that |
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Post by Jan on Jul 8, 2022 20:09:46 GMT
I meant to mention on the Tugendhat dual-citizenship thing - there are loads of countries where dual-citizens are banned from holding *any* public office including PM/President. There are also loads where dual-citizenship itself is banned. So it is not a concern specific to Conservative members.
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Post by Jan on Jul 8, 2022 20:14:10 GMT
Sunak vs Mordaunt would be an interesting prospect. It's insane that the Tories will either have their first non white leader and PM and third female leader and PM. People always seem to go on about the tories being this or that, but they have had a much more diverse range of leaders and MPs and also legalised same sex marriage. As it stands I want Sunak, he is also the most statesman like of all the candidates that I can see. After years of the mess that is Boris on the world stage, it would be good to have someone serious and more professional. Whatever his downsides I do at least trust sunak to be that Wallace voted against legalising same sex marriage incidentally, so that’s one thing we *do* know about him. |
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Post by Jon on Jul 8, 2022 20:15:51 GMT
Mordaunt does has the dubious honour of having appeared on reality TV. She did ITV's Splash back in 2014.
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Post by alece10 on Jul 8, 2022 20:27:27 GMT
People always seem to go on about the tories being this or that, but they have had a much more diverse range of leaders and MPs and also legalised same sex marriage. As it stands I want Sunak, he is also the most statesman like of all the candidates that I can see. After years of the mess that is Boris on the world stage, it would be good to have someone serious and more professional. Whatever his downsides I do at least trust sunak to be that Wallace voted against legalising same sex marriage incidentally, so that’s one thing we *do* know about him. Probably most of the tories did and voted for Section 28. |
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Post by xanady on Jul 8, 2022 21:26:43 GMT
Nadine Dorries is standing…Go Nads 😂
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Post by oxfordsimon on Jul 8, 2022 23:21:02 GMT
Wallace voted against legalising same sex marriage incidentally, so that’s one thing we *do* know about him. Probably most of the tories did and voted for Section 28. There are not that many MPs left who were sitting in 1987/8 when that legislation was going through the House |
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Post by vdcni on Jul 9, 2022 4:09:46 GMT
Though quite a few Tory MPs who voted against its repeal in 2003 are still around.
Graham Brady for one.
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Post by vdcni on Jul 9, 2022 4:16:54 GMT
Sunak vs Mordaunt would be an interesting prospect. It's insane that the Tories will either have their first non white leader and PM and third female leader and PM. People always seem to go on about the tories being this or that, but they have had a much more diverse range of leaders and MPs and also legalised same sex marriage. As it stands I want Sunak, he is also the most statesman like of all the candidates that I can see. After years of the mess that is Boris on the world stage, it would be good to have someone serious and more professional. Whatever his downsides I do at least trust sunak to be that More Tories voted no to same sex marriage than yes. The Lib Dems pushed it during the coalition and they and Labour were the parties who voted for it to a much greater extent. |
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