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Post by Mr Snow on Jan 15, 2022 10:05:19 GMT
Although I'm old enough for a free Oyster Card, I can't recall ever first seeing a 'tragic' musical in a Cinema? Loved Moulin Rouge and Chicago and La La Land but...Everything I've seen was viewed first on TV, VHS, DVD...
Anyway despite the 4 kids who got up and back past us 3x and the guy behind who laughed loudly at the strangest times, this had moments so intense I could have been in first row of a great live production. The colour, the movement and the great score beautifully realised at times overwhelmed me. Go before this leaves the cinema.
Yes theres way to much dialogue but my head has been full of intense memories since.
Sadly the poor box office means it will likely be a long time before another such opportunity comes along.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 16, 2022 10:50:06 GMT
the film is pretty good. The city and upper west side is at a point of change. To become a richer area. And slums are loosing out. Rachel Zegler is excellent, David Alvarez is excellent. Ariana DeBose will win the Oscar for her acting, she was phenomenal. This will be a career moment for her. Excellent singing, acting and amazing dancing. Her depth was astonishing. I thought the direction was excellent too,
Wait Officer Krupke was Brian d'Arcy James !
Ansel Elgort was pretty boring. 4.5/5
Ps with the dancing is the very fine lines of the dancing and elegance supposed to be contrasting with the violence they do in the film
Ariana DeBose and David Alvarez were very good together. Rachel was excellent
Was the Lincoln Centre really getting built at that time
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Post by juicy_but_terribly_drab on Jan 16, 2022 12:59:58 GMT
Was the Lincoln Centre really getting built at that time Yes, the original 1961 film was filmed on the site that would very soon become the Lincoln Center, so the 2021 film has been brought forward in time slightly compared to the original stage show and film to give it this added context of gentrification and displacement facing both communities represented in the film as well as giving it this connection to the original movie, bringing what was in the background of that film into the foreground of this one.
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Post by olliebean on Jan 17, 2022 10:23:08 GMT
The suggestion that "lacked menace" means "lacked sex appeal," and therefore the implication that a man cannot be sexy without being menacing, is somewhat disturbing.
Dancing, on the other hand, can be very sexy, in both men and women (and I speak as a staunch heterosexual).
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Post by juicy_but_terribly_drab on Jan 17, 2022 10:38:39 GMT
Also aren't they supposed to look kind of boyish? It's a pretty huge theme, to me at least, that the whole gang warfare is a bunch of boys in way over their heads fruitlessly fighting over territory that's about to be destroyed anyway. When Riff goes to buy the gun, for example, the sellers treat him like a kid because, well, he basically is one. I don't think they're really meant to be menacing.
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Post by jamie2c on Jan 23, 2022 14:40:51 GMT
So my perfectly valid comment was deleted. Because it offended someone`s own gender politics opinion.
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Post by jamie2c on Jan 23, 2022 14:45:56 GMT
It was boring. I had further opinions (correct ones) but I was banned from posting them here.
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Post by BurlyBeaR on Feb 5, 2022 21:47:47 GMT
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Post by TallPaul on Feb 6, 2022 13:08:41 GMT
Contrary to earlier predictions, the film has hung on in cinemas until February, which is why I was finally able to see it on Wednesday. Nobody can ever accuse me of rushing into things!
There were eight of us at the beginning (and six at the end), so it seems numbers have remained reasonably static since the opening weekend.
It would be too long in its current form, but an edited school version would be a very powerful tool.
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Post by fiyero on Feb 6, 2022 16:36:04 GMT
Contrary to earlier predictions, the film has hung on in cinemas until February, which is why I was finally able to see it on Wednesday. Nobody can ever accuse me of rushing into things! There were eight of us at the beginning (and six at the end), so it seems numbers have remained reasonably static since the opening weekend. It would be too long in its current form, but an edited school version would be a very powerful tool. I saw it again yesterday, as I found a cinema in reasonable distance still showing it AND at a reasonable time. I’d say it was over half full. I loved it again of course.
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Post by justfran on Feb 9, 2022 16:54:19 GMT
This will be streaming on Disney+ from 2nd March 😊
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Post by ilovewemusicals on Mar 2, 2022 10:10:39 GMT
Now available to watch on Disney+
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Post by barrowside on Mar 2, 2022 11:25:29 GMT
I really hope it reaches a wider audience now it's streaming. It really is the best made musical film since the golden age.
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Post by ilovewemusicals on Mar 3, 2022 7:22:33 GMT
Watched West Side Story on Disney+ last night. From the moment it starts, you can tell it’s directed by Steven Spielberg, as you get big swooping camera shots that reveal the setting (a derelict part of New York). I have to say that the camerawork throughout the film, especially the way Spielberg captures the dancing throughout the film is superb.
For those who don’t know, West Side Story is a retelling of Shakespeare’s Romeo & Juliet that transitions it to New York and tells of members of two different gangs who fall in love (with tragic consequences). One gang is made up of a Puerto Rican community (Sharks) and the other from Yankee descent (Jets). I felt the show adapted Romeo & Juliet exceptionally well and for me it all fits together in a much more coherent way than other adaptations of Shakespeare’s play (like & Juliet).
Another thing I felt that worked really well in this new film was the transition from dialogue to song. And this is something that the performance of Ansel Elgort in particular I felt added. It just felt natural and effortless that the song was starting. Ansel plays Tony, who is trying to get out of the Jets gang and get a job but his former gang mate Riff keeps pulling him back into it. My one criticism of Ansel’s performance is that when he was mocking Riff, in the song Cool, he could have mocked him more. He always seemed to play the role rather seriously, which - for the most part - worked but it would have been good to see a sillier side at times.
Mike Faist as Riff gave an extremely believable performance. He portrayed someone who is desperate to cling on to the life he knows so well. He really helped me to buy into the story.
One of the highlights of the film is one of the show’s most famous songs being sung by 1961 West Side Story film star Rita Moreno. Rita played a shop owner who gives Tony his chance of getting out of the gang and she played the role straight from the heart.
Also giving a heartfelt performance was Rachel Zegler as Maria, the Puerto Rican that Tony fancies. Her voice blends so well with Ansel’s on iconic love songs like Tonight; the big balcony scene moment of Shakespeare’s play (the use of camerawork through the balcony gratings so well done). And she captures the playfulness of songs like I Feel Pretty so well.
I felt like the whole film completely enraptured me for 2 hours and 40 minutes; which is not an easy feat. I would say it’s arguably one of the greatest movie musicals of all time.
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Post by inthenose on Mar 5, 2022 21:31:49 GMT
Further to my previous rave review I just need to rave again. Three times at the cinema and now once at home, and it hasn't lost anything.
The greatest movie musical ever made.
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Post by karloscar on Mar 6, 2022 14:59:04 GMT
Lots of behind the scenes footage of how all the musical numbers were filmed has appeared on YouTube. If you're interested in the work that goes into creating a "number" you'll learn a lot.
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Post by newyorkcityboy on Mar 8, 2022 7:45:56 GMT
Finally got to see this now it’s streaming. Just to say that everything about this just works, and all the changes are improvements in one way or another. Even I Feel Pretty earns its place. (Glad it wasn’t cut as it’s the only Maria-centric song - all her others are duets. But that’s an issue with the original work, not the adaptation.) Oh, and Rita Moreno broke my heart.
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Post by crabtree on Mar 11, 2022 20:54:37 GMT
somewhat late catching up with this, and rather enjoyed it, even if therer was a lot of lyric illustrating 'business' but no matter. And there#s still an awkwardness with movies letting people burst into song and dance without trying to find a reason, but it was ever thus. I did think this rather special though. a question - so Anita tells Valentina that Maria has been shot, but Valentina doesn't even register that Maria is alive in that final scene - maybe i missed something. That will give me a good excuse to watch it again,
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Post by Deleted on Mar 11, 2022 23:09:32 GMT
Anita tells Valentina that Maria has been shot, but Valentina doesn't even register that Maria is alive in that final scene - maybe i missed something. That will give me a good excuse to watch it again, Valentina only appears at the very end and the focus is obviously on the fact that Tony has been shot by Chino, not on Maria. She doesn't need to register that Maria is there, it doesn't matter.
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Post by singingbird on Mar 21, 2022 12:17:41 GMT
I've finally managed to see this at one of the few cinemas still screening it.
In my early twenties I concluded that West Side Story was one of the greatest musicals ever written, and that's an opinion I've held on to ever since. However, I'd not seen it on stage, or watched the original film, in decades, so this opinion was largely maintained by what I remembered of the book (e.g. the really clever tweaking of Shakespeare's plot in the final act, where Anita spits out that Maria has been killed, even though she hasn't - leading to an even more tragic ending than the original) and the fact that the music never stops being breath-taking and totally unlike any other musical score, then or now.
The new film, however, really highlighted for me the weaknesses in the show, despite also showing some of the strengths brilliantly. Chief amongst these is the really underwritten, underdeveloped relationship between the two central characters. I get it that it's young love, infatuation, a chemical rush to the brain and all that, but I just felt nothing. I didn't believe they were madly in love, not helped by Elgort's total lack of edge, and as such everything that followed felt beautifully presented but shallow. Why does Maria so quickly accept her brother's death at the hands of her lover? Where is her inner conflict? Where was the slow build to Tony cracking and committing murder? It all felt so underdeveloped.
I don't know if the fault lies in this film, or if the original stage show, which I'd now love to revisit, has the same problems. It's not helped by the fact that the lyrics are very compromised. We know that some lines are Bernstein's, rather than Sondheim's, and that this was Sondheim's first gig, but almost never do we get the piercing psychological insight that is his trademark. I think Something's Coming is a fantastic lyric, and the song Maria captures the joy of falling in love beautifully, but in general I felt more acutely aware than ever before that most of the non-comic or non-ensemble numbers have greetings card lyrics. In particular I find A Boy Like That/I Have a Love really lacking and a totally wasted opportunity.
I thought it was amazingly shot and the production design was breath-taking. There were really smart decisions with the script that others have already pointed out and I'd agree with. It was knowing and intelligent whilst also really natural, and many of the performances were great. But the ending felt rushed and badly staged compared with what I remember of the original film and I never ever got swept up in it or truly cared. Oh well - never mind!!
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Post by WireHangers on Mar 21, 2022 15:15:47 GMT
Rachel Zegler has said she hasn’t been invited to the Oscars.
Seems very odd since she is the lead of a movie with 8 nominations plus is Disney’s next live action Princess, you’d imagine they’d want to raise her profile.
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Post by singingbird on Mar 21, 2022 15:16:38 GMT
Having thought a bit more about what I said above, I think my problem stems from the fact that the book and direction have, I think, been reconfigured a little to make Maria more feisty. This in itself is really great, but now it becomes glaringly obvious that she has no strong musical statement of her own, and that felt like a big hole for me in a way that it hadn't before. Combined with what I feel to be a somewhat lacklustre Tony, who, of course, does have the big musical statements, this meant that it landed oddly for me, despite all that's great about it.
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Post by singingbird on Mar 21, 2022 15:17:57 GMT
Rachel Zegler has said she hasn’t been invited to the Oscars. Seems very odd since she is the lead of a movie with 8 nominations plus is Disney’s next live action Princess, you’d imagine they’d want to raise her profile. How strange. And I thought she was amazing.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 21, 2022 15:45:50 GMT
Rachel Zegler has said she hasn’t been invited to the Oscars. Seems very odd since she is the lead of a movie with 8 nominations plus is Disney’s next live action Princess, you’d imagine they’d want to raise her profile. She isn't nominated and many of the crew are, capacity has been reduced for the audience and each Best Picture nominee only gets a certain number of tickets. It makes complete sense. Plus she's filming in London so presumably wouldn't just fly back for a party rather than the ceremony itself. She wasn't invited to the Baftas either, she went as Mike Faist's plus one. Have to admit I don't really see the point of her broadcasting that she wasn't invited. The film is already being represented by a nominated cast member and director, and Best Picture would be accepted by the producers, so she didn't really have any reason to be invited to the ceremony itself.
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Post by inthenose on Mar 21, 2022 16:02:33 GMT
Yes, it would be very unusual to have time off working on a project in London, just to travel elsewhere for a mere awards show.
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