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Post by callum on Jul 5, 2017 5:51:53 GMT
I think Bette in Hello Dolly has hit the sweet spot for this. Her car is waiting outside, she comes out and waves and shakes a few hands then gets in her car and goes. No signing or selfies but everyone gets to see her up close and if they're lucky get her to notice them while Bette also gets to go home quickly. Or that was my experience, at least.
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Post by 49thand8th on Jul 5, 2017 14:49:17 GMT
To be honest I'm on Diana's side. I think we just learned way more about you than any of us wanted to. |
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Post by adrianics on Jul 6, 2017 16:13:21 GMT
To be honest I'm on Diana's side. You're 'on her side'? So to you, it's reasonable and fair to call Platt an "asshole", "garbage" and "really rude" directly to his Twitter handle just to make sure that he saw it? I'm happy for you that you managed to play this unnamed demanding role and deal with the gargantuan throng of your adoring public on the side, but until it's in actor's contract or explicitly stated in the price of the ticket there is absolutely no entitlement whatsoever to meet a performer at the stage door. Hell, he didn't even owe anyone an explanation. It's an unofficial practice and it's up to no one but the performer whether or not they take part in it. Without applying too much guesswork DEH is the hottest ticket on Broadway and it's almost entirely because of the buzz around Platt's performance, the amount of pressure and expectation on him (even ignoring how ridiculously demanding the role is) must be excruciating and he deserves to approach the situation however he sees fit. If that includes not meeting people at the stage door no one has the right to contradict or criticise him. There certainly cannot be an excuse to publicly lob abuse at a performer for not coming to the stage door. |
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Post by showbizkid on Jul 10, 2017 23:43:48 GMT
To be honest I'm on Diana's side. You're 'on her side'? So to you, it's reasonable and fair to call Platt an "asshole", "garbage" and "really rude" directly to his Twitter handle just to make sure that he saw it? I'm happy for you that you managed to play this unnamed demanding role and deal with the gargantuan throng of your adoring public on the side, but until it's in actor's contract or explicitly stated in the price of the ticket there is absolutely no entitlement whatsoever to meet a performer at the stage door. Hell, he didn't even owe anyone an explanation. It's an unofficial practice and it's up to no one but the performer whether or not they take part in it. Without applying too much guesswork DEH is the hottest ticket on Broadway and it's almost entirely because of the buzz around Platt's performance, the amount of pressure and expectation on him (even ignoring how ridiculously demanding the role is) must be excruciating and he deserves to approach the situation however he sees fit. If that includes not meeting people at the stage door no one has the right to contradict or criticise him. There certainly cannot be an excuse to publicly lob abuse at a performer for not coming to the stage door. I said side - not that I agree with her. VAST DIFFERENCE!!! He can sign a few programmes for five minutes and go home. Easy. No drama. |
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Post by showbizkid on Jul 10, 2017 23:46:51 GMT
You're 'on her side'? So to you, it's reasonable and fair to call Platt an "asshole", "garbage" and "really rude" directly to his Twitter handle just to make sure that he saw it? I'm happy for you that you managed to play this unnamed demanding role and deal with the gargantuan throng of your adoring public on the side, but until it's in actor's contract or explicitly stated in the price of the ticket there is absolutely no entitlement whatsoever to meet a performer at the stage door. Hell, he didn't even owe anyone an explanation. It's an unofficial practice and it's up to no one but the performer whether or not they take part in it. Without applying too much guesswork DEH is the hottest ticket on Broadway and it's almost entirely because of the buzz around Platt's performance, the amount of pressure and expectation on him (even ignoring how ridiculously demanding the role is) must be excruciating and he deserves to approach the situation however he sees fit. If that includes not meeting people at the stage door no one has the right to contradict or criticise him. There certainly cannot be an excuse to publicly lob abuse at a performer for not coming to the stage door. I said side - not that I agree with her. VAST DIFFERENCE!!! He can sign a few programmes for five minutes and go home. No drama. It's a two hour easy pop musical not brain surgery here. Let's get this all into context. He's a young actor and not in a war zone - that's my point, |
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Post by adrianics on Jul 11, 2017 8:14:27 GMT
Please could you expand on these 'vast differences' between siding with someone and agreeing with them? I'm completely baffled.
Thank you as well for not bothering to attempt to actually engage with any of my points and just brush them off with 'no drama'. How is it not his decision to decide how he approaches something he's not obliged to do?
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Post by adrianics on Jul 11, 2017 10:03:21 GMT
I'm also waiting with interest for you to confirm which role you played in the West End which makes DEH a 'two hour easy pop musical' in comparison?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 11, 2017 10:09:13 GMT
It's also (to take a different angle) not actually about whether he does or doesn't sign autographs (It seems he does mostly but occasionally as with all actors ducks out of it)
For me what it's about is the rude manner in which people are demanding he do it. And sending it directly to him in an abusive, confrontational manner. It's fine in my opinion to have a little grumble to your mates that you didn't get to meet x or y actor quite another to shout at said actor about it. And in that it's all down to the entitlement of so-called fans. You're a fan of the show/actor which entitles you to their performance, nothing more. Which is what for me is the real issue not whether or not he does or doesn't do something.
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Post by showbizkid on Jul 11, 2017 13:37:43 GMT
It's also (to take a different angle) not actually about whether he does or doesn't sign autographs (It seems he does mostly but occasionally as with all actors ducks out of it) For me what it's about is the rude manner in which people are demanding he do it. And sending it directly to him in an abusive, confrontational manner. It's fine in my opinion to have a little grumble to your mates that you didn't get to meet x or y actor quite another to shout at said actor about it. And in that it's all down to the entitlement of so-called fans. You're a fan of the show/actor which entitles you to their performance, nothing more. Which is what for me is the real issue not whether or not he does or doesn't do something. This is what I agree with. I agree with Diana's view that when possible he should sign a programme (if he can) I don't agree with her confrontation or abuse. Therefor I agree with her concern but not the vitriolic narrative she posted. Actors take themselves too seriously sometimes and indeed the job they have. It's not a war zone. |
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Post by westendwendy on Jul 11, 2017 13:47:53 GMT
Stop bullying Showbizkid. Although the woman was vile I also think it doesn't take much to sign a programme. It's also obvious many West End performers actually post on this site. For example nothing can be physically harder than playing a principle role in the ballet and they mostly have grace when it comes to stage door etiquette. Reality TV culture and fame has turned some young actors into divas.
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Post by Steffi on Jul 11, 2017 14:08:04 GMT
But he does come out and sign when he feels up for doing it. And no one can expect him to do anything more. There is no stage door etiquette that requires him to come out and sign after every show no matter what. And deciding when he does it and when he goes home straight away does not make him rude or a diva or someone who does not value his fans.
Also with the popularity of Dear Evan Hansen and especially Ben Platt we are not talking about coming out for 5 minutes and signing a few programmes. Unless you think he should come out, start signing and then drop the pen and go after 5 minutes leaving a lot of waiting fans disappointed (which would possibly cause the next Twitter outrage in terms of "Ben Platt is rude because he signed that person's programme but not mine!").
When he comes out to sign, he tries to sign for everyone which takes a lot longer than 5 minutes.
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Post by adrianics on Jul 11, 2017 14:47:20 GMT
Stop bullying Showbizkid. Although the woman was vile I also think it doesn't take much to sign a programme. It's also obvious many West End performers actually post on this site. For example nothing can be physically harder than playing a principle role in the ballet and they mostly have grace when it comes to stage door etiquette. Reality TV culture and fame has turned some young actors into divas. Good for them, but if they decided for whatever reason they didn't want to that is also up to them. One more time: It's an unofficial practice, no one is obliged to take part and nobody who wants an autograph/photo/whatever is entitled to one. An actor deciding they don't want to greet people at the stage door, for whatever reason they have, does not mean they don't have grace and does not make them a 'diva'. |
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Post by showbizkid on Jul 11, 2017 17:57:22 GMT
One MORE time - I understand it is down to individual actors and yes they don't have to and yes it takes longer than 5 minutes. But my point is to say that doing so would affect his performance is in my opinion questionable. It's a pain to do and THAT'S the real reason actors don't like it. Cythia did two shows and a marathon in one day! Lifting up a pen and having twenty photos taken does not affect a performance. It's about time and effort and that's what this all comes down to.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 13, 2017 16:11:26 GMT
One MORE time - I understand it is down to individual actors and yes they don't have to and yes it takes longer than 5 minutes. But my point is to say that doing so would affect his performance is in my opinion questionable. It's a pain to do and THAT'S the real reason actors don't like it. Cythia did two shows and a marathon in one day! Lifting up a pen and having twenty photos taken does not affect a performance. It's about time and effort and that's what this all comes down to. No, what this comes down to is a bunch of so-called "fans" feeling entitled to something they are not entitled to. You seem to be labouring under the illusion that just because one person is capable of doing two shows and then signing autographs for ages afterwards that everyone else is automatically capable of it as well. That's not how it works, that's not how human beings work or how life works - everyone is different, everyone's physical and mental capabilities are different and every role is different. Even from day to day people's capabilities can change - maybe one day they've got a bit of a sore throat, or a migraine, or maybe they just want to get home to see their families and friends and sleep a bit so they can recover enough energy to leave it all on stage again the next day. Until you can produce the clause in Ben Platt's contract that obliges him to sign autographs after every show, then you have no right whatsoever to vilify him for not doing it. It is not part of his job and I think it's exceptionally disrespectful to criticise him for not doing it. And for the record, there were plenty of times Cynthia didn't sign, including when I saw TCP on Broadway. I don't feel that I was wronged in the slightest by her decision not to do so. Similarly Audra McDonald didn't after Lady Day a couple of weeks ago - again, she did nothing wrong. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 15, 2017 17:14:42 GMT
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Post by theinvisiblegirl on Aug 15, 2017 17:19:12 GMT
I'm so glad to have tickets for this in two weeks as I really wanted to see Ben in the role.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2017 9:24:14 GMT
When you look at the crowds outside the theatre every night and the buzz around Ben, his final week is going to be insane. I can't even begin to imagine what his final show is going to be like.
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Post by welsh_tenor on Aug 16, 2017 9:31:57 GMT
"Tony winner Ben Platt reprises his award winning role in Dear Evan Hansen at the Geiguld Theatre in March 2018 for a limited engagement!"
I can dream....
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2017 9:48:43 GMT
"Tony winner Ben Platt reprises his award winning role in Dear Evan Hansen at the Geiguld Theatre in March 2018 for a limited engagement!" I can dream.... I fell for that for a second dammit. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2017 22:28:22 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2017 22:57:29 GMT
Makes me feel ok about missing Ben Platt in when I go next March. |
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Post by ali973 on Aug 23, 2017 4:05:31 GMT
I'd think that the boy with the shorter run might take the show on the road? Otherwise why would they hire someone for a fairly short run, especially when they could have temporarily replaced Ben with one of the two standbys during the holiday season, which sells very well.
Now I'm curious to see it again with another actor.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 23, 2017 9:08:32 GMT
Oooh, that's rather exciting news. Noah Galvin is really rather glorious in 'The Real O'Neals' (one of my favourite recent US sitcoms) and Taylor Trensch is an absolute blast in 'Hello, Dolly!' - a real scene stealer.
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Post by 49thand8th on Aug 23, 2017 16:17:49 GMT
I'd think that the boy with the shorter run might take the show on the road? Otherwise why would they hire someone for a fairly short run, especially when they could have temporarily replaced Ben with one of the two standbys during the holiday season, which sells very well. That's probably the case, and then when he's on the road, they can tout him as "Direct from Broadway" and "Star of The Real O'Neals." |
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Post by prophet on Aug 30, 2017 15:27:19 GMT
I managed to see Dear Evan Hansen.
It was interesting to see social media so heavily played into the plot. Its aimed at a younger audience but can see why the older generation might like it too.
It has a lot of american terms (community college, SATs) which might be annoying if transfered to London.
It came across as fault in our stars meet perks of a wallflower. I enjoyed it at the time but a few days later, I can't recall any songs.
Good topic for a play. 7\10
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