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Post by olliebean on Dec 8, 2021 22:37:31 GMT
The Government have now created a situation where if you don't follow the rules you are endangering others but if you do you feel complicit in their lies.. If you follow the rules then it means you're not taking the government as your role models. I'm going to do the right thing because I'm a better person than Boris Johnson. Perhaps the Labour Party should start a mask-wearing campaign with the slogan "Be Better than Boris." |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 8, 2021 22:54:42 GMT
If any party promised a lockdown on the unvaccinated I would vote for them tomorrow, regardless of the rest of their politics.
At least they would have a backbone. The sooner the unvaccinated are kept away from anything fun until they decide to do the decent thing, the better.
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Post by Mark on Dec 8, 2021 23:21:18 GMT
If any party promised a lockdown on the unvaccinated I would vote for them tomorrow, regardless of the rest of their politics. At least they would have a backbone. The sooner the unvaccinated are kept away from anything fun until they decide to do the decent thing, the better. I'm very surprised a lateral flow will still be accepted to get a covid pass if im honest. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 8, 2021 23:22:06 GMT
boris donald and scott are all horrible people
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Post by Phantom of London on Dec 9, 2021 0:01:34 GMT
If any party promised a lockdown on the unvaccinated I would vote for them tomorrow, regardless of the rest of their politics. At least they would have a backbone. The sooner the unvaccinated are kept away from anything fun until they decide to do the decent thing, the better. Maybe that is what the unvaccinated want. At work if the unvaccinated gets pinged then they have to isolate, they get a nice week off, whilst the responsible employees have to go into work. I have no such issues if my organisation doesn’t pay the staff asked to isolate who are unvaccinated, the only issue here is staff would never disclose if they have been pinged. I definitely would be more than happy, if the unvaccinated are taken into hospital for Covid related treatment, then the hospital has an obligation to recover their costs of that treatment. The unvaccinated are putting an extra and a unnecessary burden on the NHS, on staff that are overworked and this causes great stress, this is forecast to get worse with this new variant and unvaccinated could deny vaccinated people getting treated/or poorer quality of treatment. Instead of standing on your doorstep clapping the NHS, roll up your left sleeve, this is the greatest act of altruism you can do for the NHS. I get the argument if the NHS start charging it is a start of a slippery slope, this is the only case where I would be used. As it happens I am isolating now because I have just came back from Iceland and waiting for my results of my PCR test. The Government changed the requirements whilst I was away, I have been told by my manager to take it annual leave, I will be challenging that, when back at work. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 9, 2021 4:58:03 GMT
If you want people to do something then you have to do it. I can’t say don’t have fast food at my house if I eat fast food. That would be stupid. And the fact they are not getting any punishment speaks volumes. And I am not even Britiy
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Post by Deleted on Dec 9, 2021 5:01:25 GMT
Their contempt for the public has always been obvious so I’m a little surprised how much anger there appears to be about this. That's why I'm not angry about it. I assume that politicians, irrespective of party, are highly likely to be a bunch of self-serving liars, so when there's yet another news story that shows that they are, well, that's just what I expected. I'm far more annoyed at ordinary people using politicians' behaviour as an excuse not to follow rules themselves. I just noticed that it's exactly a year since the very first person was vaccinated. That was when we were all optimistic, not realising how many people would see it all as a plot and refuse to take it. I was optimistic because I hoped that once vaccinated one would be safe from catching covid. Unfortunately that's turned out not to be the case so I'm still living in perpetual fear of catching it despite having had 2 jabs & awaiting the 3rd. when I was young I double stepped backward due to my ocd , washing hands until they bled, pissed my pants because I thought toilets were unclean. Had hour showers was late to school. Dropped out of courses. Living out of fear can ruin you life. Live it be cautious but live it. Because not able to do basic things is not much fun |
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Post by talkingheads on Dec 9, 2021 10:02:22 GMT
My main worry now is that so many more people aren't going to comply with the new restrictions and, if questioned, jump straight to 'Government did it so why can't I'? Exactly at a time when we need consensus and clear public health messaging.
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Post by londonpostie on Dec 9, 2021 10:19:36 GMT
As it happens I am isolating now because I have just came back from Iceland and waiting for my results of my PCR test. The Government changed the requirements whilst I was away, I have been told by my manager to take it annual leave, I will be challenging that, when back at work.
Seems harsh. Hope you took advantage of their 3 for 2 mince pie offer.
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Post by distantcousin on Dec 9, 2021 11:20:12 GMT
If any party promised a lockdown on the unvaccinated I would vote for them tomorrow, regardless of the rest of their politics. At least they would have a backbone. The sooner the unvaccinated are kept away from anything fun until they decide to do the decent thing, the better. Utterly vile, fascistic opinion. |
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Post by zahidf on Dec 9, 2021 11:20:23 GMT
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Post by distantcousin on Dec 9, 2021 11:22:16 GMT
If any party promised a lockdown on the unvaccinated I would vote for them tomorrow, regardless of the rest of their politics. At least they would have a backbone. The sooner the unvaccinated are kept away from anything fun until they decide to do the decent thing, the better. Maybe that is what the unvaccinated want. At work if the unvaccinated gets pinged then they have to isolate, they get a nice week off, whilst the responsible employees have to go into work. I have no such issues if my organisation doesn’t pay the staff asked to isolate who are unvaccinated, the only issue here is staff would never disclose if they have been pinged. I definitely would be more than happy, if the unvaccinated are taken into hospital for Covid related treatment, then the hospital has an obligation to recover their costs of that treatment. The unvaccinated are putting an extra and a unnecessary burden on the NHS, on staff that are overworked and this causes great stress, this is forecast to get worse with this new variant and unvaccinated could deny vaccinated people getting treated/or poorer quality of treatment. Instead of standing on your doorstep clapping the NHS, roll up your left sleeve, this is the greatest act of altruism you can do for the NHS. I get the argument if the NHS start charging it is a start of a slippery slope, this is the only case where I would be used. As it happens I am isolating now because I have just came back from Iceland and waiting for my results of my PCR test. The Government changed the requirements whilst I was away, I have been told by my manager to take it annual leave, I will be challenging that, when back at work. ABSOLUTE nonsense. Do you rely on Dr Hilary Jones for your facts? Most people in hospital are vaccinated. Around 70% - that is a fact and is available from latest Public Health England data. |
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Post by mkb on Dec 9, 2021 12:03:42 GMT
Maybe that is what the unvaccinated want. At work if the unvaccinated gets pinged then they have to isolate, they get a nice week off, whilst the responsible employees have to go into work. I have no such issues if my organisation doesn’t pay the staff asked to isolate who are unvaccinated, the only issue here is staff would never disclose if they have been pinged. I definitely would be more than happy, if the unvaccinated are taken into hospital for Covid related treatment, then the hospital has an obligation to recover their costs of that treatment. The unvaccinated are putting an extra and a unnecessary burden on the NHS, on staff that are overworked and this causes great stress, this is forecast to get worse with this new variant and unvaccinated could deny vaccinated people getting treated/or poorer quality of treatment. Instead of standing on your doorstep clapping the NHS, roll up your left sleeve, this is the greatest act of altruism you can do for the NHS. I get the argument if the NHS start charging it is a start of a slippery slope, this is the only case where I would be used. As it happens I am isolating now because I have just came back from Iceland and waiting for my results of my PCR test. The Government changed the requirements whilst I was away, I have been told by my manager to take it annual leave, I will be challenging that, when back at work. ABSOLUTE nonsense. Do you rely on Dr Hilary Jones for your facts? Most people in hospital are vaccinated. Around 70% - that is a fact and is available from latest Public Health England data. And the same stats for ITU wards? I am told by friends who work these wards that they are predominantly occupied by the unvaccinated with Covid, and are, in some cases, preventing non-Covid patients from getting an ITU bed because they are full. Choosing to stay unvaccinated is an act of extreme selfishness and stupidity. |
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Post by theglenbucklaird on Dec 9, 2021 12:26:29 GMT
Maybe that is what the unvaccinated want. At work if the unvaccinated gets pinged then they have to isolate, they get a nice week off, whilst the responsible employees have to go into work. I have no such issues if my organisation doesn’t pay the staff asked to isolate who are unvaccinated, the only issue here is staff would never disclose if they have been pinged. I definitely would be more than happy, if the unvaccinated are taken into hospital for Covid related treatment, then the hospital has an obligation to recover their costs of that treatment. The unvaccinated are putting an extra and a unnecessary burden on the NHS, on staff that are overworked and this causes great stress, this is forecast to get worse with this new variant and unvaccinated could deny vaccinated people getting treated/or poorer quality of treatment. Instead of standing on your doorstep clapping the NHS, roll up your left sleeve, this is the greatest act of altruism you can do for the NHS. I get the argument if the NHS start charging it is a start of a slippery slope, this is the only case where I would be used. As it happens I am isolating now because I have just came back from Iceland and waiting for my results of my PCR test. The Government changed the requirements whilst I was away, I have been told by my manager to take it annual leave, I will be challenging that, when back at work. ABSOLUTE nonsense. Do you rely on Dr Hilary Jones for your facts? Most people in hospital are vaccinated. Around 70% - that is a fact and is available from latest Public Health England data. Is that true? |
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Post by lichtie on Dec 9, 2021 12:52:43 GMT
ABSOLUTE nonsense. Do you rely on Dr Hilary Jones for your facts? Most people in hospital are vaccinated. Around 70% - that is a fact and is available from latest Public Health England data. Is that true?
The point is that only about 5% have had no vaccine at all, but over a third of admissions are in the unvaccinated (ie vaccines seriously reduce your risk), and that full fact piece also has the basis for the claim that a far larger propertion of those in ICU/on ventilation are the unvaccinated (which is where the real costs and pressures on teh health service lie).
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Post by talkingheads on Dec 9, 2021 13:19:37 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Dec 9, 2021 13:49:33 GMT
I'm not sure The Sun is capable of satire.
It would be fun to see someone try to avoid prosecution by claiming the singing exemption. The law is not a game where you're entitled to a chance to "get away with it", and I'm sure judges and magistrates love it when they get a chance to wipe the smug grin from someone's face by showing them that they're not as clever as they think they are.
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Post by talkingheads on Dec 9, 2021 14:20:55 GMT
I'm not sure The Sun is capable of satire.
It would be fun to see someone try to avoid prosecution by claiming the singing exemption. The law is not a game where you're entitled to a chance to "get away with it", and I'm sure judges and magistrates love it when they get a chance to wipe the smug grin from someone's face by showing them that they're not as clever as they think they are.
Especially as singing is actually the worst way to spread particles. "The hills are alive - with the sound of mucus!" |
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Post by londonpostie on Dec 9, 2021 16:03:34 GMT
ABSOLUTE nonsense. Do you rely on Dr Hilary Jones for your facts? Most people in hospital are vaccinated. Around 70% - that is a fact and is available from latest Public Health England data. Is that true?
Look at the maths. 94% of the over-60 population is vaccinated so of course the vaccinated will have a greater presence that the 6% who are not.
Anyway, the point hasn't been hospitalisations for a year, its deaths.
The above is just a brilliantly unhelpful *Internet stat*.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 9, 2021 16:04:42 GMT
Don't go to work
but do party!
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Post by talkingheads on Dec 9, 2021 16:44:20 GMT
Definitely not going to the cinema for a while. As much as I want to see Spiderman, I can just see the arguments about masks erupting given people will be buying huge vats of popcorn and drinks.
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Post by nick on Dec 9, 2021 16:52:02 GMT
"Choosing" is the important word. There are people who cannot be vaccinated. This is why the government cannot have a blanket ban on the unvaccinated. I have sympathy for those people above advocating draconian measures on the unvaccinated but, in our relatively free society, it can't be done. |
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Post by Phantom of London on Dec 9, 2021 17:24:49 GMT
"Choosing" is the important word. There are people who cannot be vaccinated. This is why the government cannot have a blanket ban on the unvaccinated. I have sympathy for those people above advocating draconian measures on the unvaccinated but, in our relatively free society, it can't be done. I agree people who cannot be vaccinated, Someone in a Tree pointed this out with some of his clients' having autism, I would also agree it is unreasonable to expect someone who is psychotic to be vaccinated. I cannot think of anyone else who cannot be vaccinated? The vaccine is 100% safe. If you end up in ICU with Covid, the people treating you are the best people to decide if you can be vaccinated. If you can be vaccinated and you have had the opportunity to have all 3 doses and spurned these, then the NHS has a right to charge for your care. |
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Post by BurlyBeaR on Dec 9, 2021 17:52:10 GMT
"Choosing" is the important word. There are people who cannot be vaccinated. This is why the government cannot have a blanket ban on the unvaccinated. I have sympathy for those people above advocating draconian measures on the unvaccinated but, in our relatively free society, it can't be done. I agree people who cannot be vaccinated, Someone in a Tree pointed this out with some of his clients' having autism, I would also agree it is unreasonable to expect someone who is psychotic to be vaccinated. I cannot think of anyone else who cannot be vaccinated?Where are you on needle phobia? It’s a thing! |
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Post by og on Dec 9, 2021 18:12:09 GMT
I agree people who cannot be vaccinated, Someone in a Tree pointed this out with some of his clients' having autism, I would also agree it is unreasonable to expect someone who is psychotic to be vaccinated. I cannot think of anyone else who cannot be vaccinated?Where are you on needle phobia? It’s a thing! Wont have a vaccine due to a fear of needles. Would love to see their reaction when the choice is to be intubated onto assisted breathing or go without when they get cov+. |
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