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Post by hairspray57 on Oct 21, 2021 9:05:38 GMT
Sorry for my posts about working from home. I won’t mention the subject again.
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Post by theatreian on Oct 21, 2021 10:31:58 GMT
80 percent of tonight’s audience ignored it all. No exaggeration. On seeing the news last night and other countries being more successful, this is largely due to better behaviour from their populations with respect of getting vaccinations and wearing masks. Generally the continent have a better respect for authority and not the British attitude. It is such a shame as we led most of the world at one point with our vaccinations. I can't understand people's behaviour when such a simple thing as getting vaccinated and booster jabs and wearing a mask would make such a massive difference. Admittedly the government do need to go to stage 2 but it is also our responsibility to do our bit. |
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Post by alece10 on Oct 21, 2021 10:44:22 GMT
I've recently returned from Spain. 100% compliance around wearing facemasks. I think this is partly due to the fact that previously the police issued instant fines for non compliance so mask wearing is embedded in them.
Foreign tourists also complying including Brits but I wonder if many Brits were doing it because everyone else was doing it.
When we got to airport to go home one young lad on coach not wearing face mask. Rep asked him to put it on and he said he didn't have one. Another guest gave him one. By the time he got to the check-in desk he had "lost" it again and was refused check-in. Another guest gave him another one so he could board.
Kind of shows the reluctance of some people but good on the Spanish authorities for strict compliance.
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Post by zahidf on Oct 21, 2021 11:02:38 GMT
Facemasks are performative to an extent: Wales and Scotland have stricter rules and their figures aren't massively better than England's rates
On jabs, its definitely a IT/structural issue rather than a vaccine hesitancy thing. Most people seem up for getting a booster
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Post by zahidf on Oct 21, 2021 11:10:33 GMT
We have an option to wear masks, if the majority are *choosing* not to, how can using the weight of the law by issuing a mandate be seen as being in the public good? I find the whining about people not wearing masks tiresome tbh.
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Post by NeilVHughes on Oct 21, 2021 11:43:51 GMT
It has been hypothesised masks cure cancer, increase the survival rate of heart attacks and other acute illnesss.
Masks have been found to reduce the infection rate even though not as much as we would like, say it reduces hospitalisation by 5% (likely to be more) at a 1000 hospitalisations a week that is freeing 50 beds a week that could be used for other acute cases.
Masks are not primarily about protecting your own health but the health of others by reducing aerosols when you breathe out, they obviously pass through but lose energy traversing the mask therefore reducing the distance travelled.
If my mask wearing reduces just one hospitalisation due to COVID this year which can be freed for other acute cases for me this is worth much more than a little inconvenience and as it was a little colder this morning they do make wonderful face warmers,
In addition would you be comfortable being operated on by a surgical team not wearing masks, if you would then you do believe masks reduce the chance of infection but somehow believe they only work in a surgical environment.
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Post by Phantom of London on Oct 21, 2021 11:51:19 GMT
I've recently returned from Spain. 100% compliance around wearing facemasks. I think this is partly due to the fact that previously the police issued instant fines for non compliance so mask wearing is embedded in them. Foreign tourists also complying including Brits but I wonder if many Brits were doing it because everyone else was doing it. When we got to airport to go home one young lad on coach not wearing face mask. Rep asked him to put it on and he said he didn't have one. Another guest gave him one. By the time he got to the check-in desk he had "lost" it again and was refused check-in. Another guest gave him another one so he could board. Kind of shows the reluctance of some people but good on the Spanish authorities for strict compliance. I wish we had the Spanish Police here, rather than our ineffective police, the British Police are useless. |
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Post by anthony40 on Oct 21, 2021 12:44:22 GMT
I (obviously don’t want this to happen) but I reckon at the rate we’re going, we’ll be locked down again before Christmas
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Post by talkingheads on Oct 21, 2021 12:47:19 GMT
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Post by hairspray57 on Oct 21, 2021 13:45:00 GMT
I've recently returned from Spain. 100% compliance around wearing facemasks. I think this is partly due to the fact that previously the police issued instant fines for non compliance so mask wearing is embedded in them. Foreign tourists also complying including Brits but I wonder if many Brits were doing it because everyone else was doing it. When we got to airport to go home one young lad on coach not wearing face mask. Rep asked him to put it on and he said he didn't have one. Another guest gave him one. By the time he got to the check-in desk he had "lost" it again and was refused check-in. Another guest gave him another one so he could board. Kind of shows the reluctance of some people but good on the Spanish authorities for strict compliance. I wish we had the Spanish Police here, rather than our ineffective police, the British Police are useless. There were told to not enforce it. The Government declined to introduce an proper enforcement system or way to provide if you were genuinely exempt. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 21, 2021 14:05:56 GMT
The Brazilian Senate has recommended prosecution of President Jair Bolsonaro for the high death toll resulting from his inept handling of the pandemic. ( link) |
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Post by southstreet on Oct 21, 2021 14:22:19 GMT
We have an option to wear masks, if the majority are *choosing* not to, how can using the weight of the law by issuing a mandate be seen as being in the public good? I find the whining about people not wearing masks tiresome tbh. The same way that mandating people not smoking in enclosed public spaces is for the public good. The same way that speed restrictions are for the public good. Before those things were mandated, people also *chose* not to give a sh*t if smoking in a restaurant or a plane or an office would make other people around them sick (not to mention the smell) or if driving as fast as they*chose* to would mean an increased risk to running over someone in a residential area or causing an accident, that doesn't mean that what they were doing was for the public good. I find the whining about wearing a small piece of fabric over ones nose and mouth to lessen the likelihood of unknowingly infecting other people or, if we are to go with the entirely selfish motivation, to lessen the likelihood that we get locked down again incredibly tiresome, tbh. |
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Post by zahidf on Oct 21, 2021 15:05:34 GMT
We have an option to wear masks, if the majority are *choosing* not to, how can using the weight of the law by issuing a mandate be seen as being in the public good? I find the whining about people not wearing masks tiresome tbh. The same way that mandating people not smoking in enclosed public spaces is for the public good. The same way that speed restrictions are for the public good. Before those things were mandated, people also *chose* not to give a sh*t if smoking in a restaurant or a plane or an office would make other people around them sick (not to mention the smell) or if driving as fast as they*chose* to would mean an increased risk to running over someone in a residential area or causing an accident, that doesn't mean that what they were doing was for the public good. I find the whining about wearing a small piece of fabric over ones nose and mouth to lessen the likelihood of unknowingly infecting other people or, if we are to go with the entirely selfish motivation, to lessen the likelihood that we get locked down again incredibly tiresome, tbh. What you're describing is entirely different to the issue of wearing masks for extended periods though. People dont HAVE to smoke indoors. You can drive up to a certain speed. Those two are very different things to expect people to wear masks for hours on end ( i especially find it weird to expect kids to wear them) Each to their own, but the majority of the population are choosing not to wear them. Need to address that rather than call them selfish e.t.c. |
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Post by talkingheads on Oct 21, 2021 15:30:13 GMT
If they actually enforced the mandate then we might see some difference. But obviously they won't, because they dither on even bring the mandate in, never mind enforcing it. Plus, their messaging was so bad first time round they are unlikely to get the public on their side.
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Post by marob on Oct 21, 2021 15:47:12 GMT
I don’t know about Scotland but the issue of Wales’ rates being similar to England’s, despite stricter rules, would be down to a similar lack of enforcement as England.
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Post by lichtie on Oct 21, 2021 16:03:59 GMT
The Scottish rates are currently lower by quite away (look at the UK Covid map) having dropped back a lot from the big peak after restrictions were relaxed, and schools reopened. The question is more what happens next in all locations. The rates in England are being driven by young people in areas which previously had low infection rates. This could be because the level of antibodies around in that population is too low to suppress delta. In London by comparison, rates aren't surging, because most of the youngsters have probably already had it in previous waves and there is some degree of protection. If this explanation is correct, rates should start to drop back in both England and Wales, just as they did in Scotland. If it escapes the vaccine, or spreads out more widely into the over 70s in particular before they've had boosters, expects hospitilations to surge. We'll know by mid November...
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Post by southstreet on Oct 21, 2021 16:06:18 GMT
I find the whining about wearing a small piece of fabric over ones nose and mouth to lessen the likelihood of unknowingly infecting other people or, if we are to go with the entirely selfish motivation, to lessen the likelihood that we get locked down again incredibly tiresome, tbh. What you're describing is entirely different to the issue of wearing masks for extended periods though. People dont HAVE to smoke indoors. You can drive up to a certain speed. Those two are very different things to expect people to wear masks for hours on end ( i especially find it weird to expect kids to wear them) Each to their own, but the majority of the population are choosing not to wear them. Need to address that rather than call them selfish e.t.c. I haven't called them selfish, I just said if the wearing of masks to not make other people sick isn't motivation enough to get people to do it cos it doesn't do anything for them, then the selfish reason to wear them would be to wear them cos it means they themselves will be less likely to end up in lockdown. That said, I absolutely hate wearing masks and I don't want this to be a thing forever either, believe me. Plus most people don't have to wear them for hours on end, they can't even cope with a measly 10 minutes in the supermarket! If we would be at the level of infection and death that we were seeing back in May or early June, I wouldn't have an issue with people no longer wearing them on public transport or in shops (i.e. essential places that vulnerable people have no option to avoid). But we aren't, we are nearly at the level of infections that we had back in Jan. Luckily a lot less people are dying but still way more than I personally feel comfortable with. So yes, I am still wearing a mask to try and contribute a little to the public good, not because I like it but because I think it's the right thing to do at this moment in time. But as you said, each to their own, I will just judge away! :-) |
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Post by Mark on Oct 21, 2021 16:13:32 GMT
From the image posted a day or two ago by posterj, it’s clear the majority who are becoming seriously ill and dying are unvaccinated.
Many on this thread were in favour of dropping masks once everyone had been offered both vaccinations. Now that the unvaccinated are suffering, why has that opinion seemingly changed?
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Post by olliebean on Oct 21, 2021 17:29:41 GMT
80 percent of tonight’s audience ignored it all. No exaggeration. On seeing the news last night and other countries being more successful, this is largely due to better behaviour from their populations with respect of getting vaccinations and wearing masks. Generally the continent have a better respect for authority and not the British attitude. Perhaps they have governments who are more worthy of their respect. As opposed to the one we have, who through their actions (and in many cases, lack of action) have certainly lost all of mine. (Not that Boris Johnson had any of it in the first place.) |
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Post by talkingheads on Oct 21, 2021 17:38:10 GMT
From the image posted a day or two ago by posterj, it’s clear the majority who are becoming seriously ill and dying are unvaccinated. Many on this thread were in favour of dropping masks once everyone had been offered both vaccinations. Now that the unvaccinated are suffering, why has that opinion seemingly changed? Mainly because I don't like the idea of people getting ill and dying regardless of vaccination status, unlike anti vaxxers I don't mind doing literally the bare minimum of wearing a mask to protect others. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 21, 2021 17:42:46 GMT
It may be mainly the unvaccinated who are suffering but it's not only them. With my current heart condition I am at an extremely high risk of dying if I catch this, even being double-vaccinated. Until I can get this fixed I don't have the reserve strength to survive any additional load. I'm none too happy with the general attitude in Britain at the moment that with vaccinations available the only people who will die are the ones who kind of deserve it. And bear in mind that until I was diagnosed I thought I was reasonably healthy (I have other health issues but none that increase my Covid19 risk), so many of you out there thinking "I have nothing to worry about" may be very wrong.
On top of that, the reason I'm still waiting for treatment is because the hospitals are so busy with Covid-19 cases. What I have is easy to fix but I need to get into a hospital for a day, so all the people who are happy for cases to rise instead of taking simple precautions to fight this are putting me at risk twice over: from the much greater chance of exposure to someone infected and from the greater time I'm vulnerable because I can't get treatment.
So I'm really rather disgusted with a government that seems to want to wait and see what happens, given that the last three times they tried that approach it ended up as a disaster. It speaks volumes about the utter incompetence of this government that they expect 100K cases per day during the winter and think the best course of action is to warn people how bad it's going to be instead of, say, taking any action at all to make it less bad.
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Post by theglenbucklaird on Oct 21, 2021 18:12:26 GMT
It may be mainly the unvaccinated who are suffering but it's not only them. With my current heart condition I am at an extremely high risk of dying if I catch this, even being double-vaccinated. Until I can get this fixed I don't have the reserve strength to survive any additional load. I'm none too happy with the general attitude in Britain at the moment that with vaccinations available the only people who will die are the ones who kind of deserve it. And bear in mind that until I was diagnosed I thought I was reasonably healthy (I have other health issues but none that increase my Covid19 risk), so many of you out there thinking "I have nothing to worry about" may be very wrong. On top of that, the reason I'm still waiting for treatment is because the hospitals are so busy with Covid-19 cases. What I have is easy to fix but I need to get into a hospital for a day, so all the people who are happy for cases to rise instead of taking simple precautions to fight this are putting me at risk twice over: from the much greater chance of exposure to someone infected and from the greater time I'm vulnerable because I can't get treatment. So I'm really rather disgusted with a government that seems to want to wait and see what happens, given that the last three times they tried that approach it ended up as a disaster. It speaks volumes about the utter incompetence of this government that they expect 100K cases per day during the winter and think the best course of action is to warn people how bad it's going to be instead of, say, taking any action at all to make it less bad. Great post |
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Post by Jon on Oct 21, 2021 18:38:12 GMT
I wonder how distributing the likes of Molnupiravir and Pfizer's treatment will work should they get approved? Will a course of treatment be sent by post if you test positive or will it only available through prescription so someone would have to collect it at a pharmacy?
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Post by zahidf on Oct 21, 2021 19:38:13 GMT
It may be mainly the unvaccinated who are suffering but it's not only them. With my current heart condition I am at an extremely high risk of dying if I catch this, even being double-vaccinated. Until I can get this fixed I don't have the reserve strength to survive any additional load. I'm none too happy with the general attitude in Britain at the moment that with vaccinations available the only people who will die are the ones who kind of deserve it. And bear in mind that until I was diagnosed I thought I was reasonably healthy (I have other health issues but none that increase my Covid19 risk), so many of you out there thinking "I have nothing to worry about" may be very wrong. On top of that, the reason I'm still waiting for treatment is because the hospitals are so busy with Covid-19 cases. What I have is easy to fix but I need to get into a hospital for a day, so all the people who are happy for cases to rise instead of taking simple precautions to fight this are putting me at risk twice over: from the much greater chance of exposure to someone infected and from the greater time I'm vulnerable because I can't get treatment. So I'm really rather disgusted with a government that seems to want to wait and see what happens, given that the last three times they tried that approach it ended up as a disaster. It speaks volumes about the utter incompetence of this government that they expect 100K cases per day during the winter and think the best course of action is to warn people how bad it's going to be instead of, say, taking any action at all to make it less bad. I feel for you but the only thing which will materially get things down are severe restrictions for a medium/long period of time.a few more people wearing masks won't do it I'm afraid. If you want to make the case for protecting vulnerable people by putting everyone else under long standing severe restrictions, go for it. Short, mild restrictions won't do anything to help them. Telling clinically vulnerable people "it's not safe for you to be on a bus with unmasked people, but if they'd only all put masks on you'd be fine" is just wrong. I hope you can get the booster jab soon and your heart issues sorted out. It doesn't sound like a great situation |
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Post by hairspray57 on Oct 21, 2021 20:21:20 GMT
I wonder how distributing the likes of Molnupiravir and Pfizer's treatment will work should they get approved? Will a course of treatment be sent by post if you test positive or will it only available through prescription so someone would have to collect it at a pharmacy? Would it not only be used for those serous enough to require hospital admission? |
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