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Post by Dawnstar on Oct 19, 2021 20:06:55 GMT
I don't think I ever stopped being worried but now I'm even more worried. I was crying earlier, reading today's deaths. I don't understand how the politicians can see that hundreds of people are dying a week & not even try to do anything about it. I don't understand how so many people can see the hundreds of deaths but can't be bothered to wear masks. Part of me wishes that I'd died of covid back in February 2020 & got it over & done with rather than have this endless agony of anxiety. |
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Post by hairspray57 on Oct 19, 2021 22:52:14 GMT
I don't think I ever stopped being worried but now I'm even more worried. I was crying earlier, reading today's deaths. I don't understand how the politicians can see that hundreds of people are dying a week & not even try to do anything about it. I don't understand how so many people can see the hundreds of deaths but can't be bothered to wear masks. Part of me wishes that I'd died of covid back in February 2020 & got it over & done with rather than have this endless agony of anxiety. It might well be over a thousand deaths this week and if not this week then it will be rather soon. |
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Post by talkingheads on Oct 20, 2021 7:26:48 GMT
I see there's talk about bringing back certain restrictions, including making masks mandatory . All I can say is, good luck enforcing that after such mixed messaging and dropping the mask mandate. This is exactly why they should have been kept mandatory. Sorry to be so cynical about the general public but... they provide plenty of evidence!
My worry is that if theatres have to close again, they cannot survive another year without panto income.
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Post by olliebean on Oct 20, 2021 7:35:15 GMT
Absolutely fed up with this strategy of bringing in measures not to keep infections low, but waiting until they've already been high for a while and stronger measures are needed. The whole reason we're in this mess is because of an emphasis on mitigation after the fact rather than timely prevention, and it looks like there's a strong determination not to learn that lesson.
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Post by hairspray57 on Oct 20, 2021 8:55:51 GMT
Nobody not wearing masks will wear them. Enforcement outside of medical settings has been non existent pretty much through the entire pandemic.
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Post by hairspray57 on Oct 20, 2021 8:56:33 GMT
The biggest risk if there a vaccine busting variant emerges then I am not sure there will be a way to control it.
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Post by talkingheads on Oct 20, 2021 9:03:53 GMT
The biggest risk if there a vaccine busting variant emerges then I am not sure there will be a way to control it. Well we already know the way to control it, or rather the way our incompetent Goverment chooses to control it - wait until infections are too high so the decision is out of their hands, have a lockdown too late, put out confusing messaging about what is allowed and then wonder why things are getting worse. And yes. This time, if we need restrictions then they must be enforced, no ifs, no buts. Nobody in the supermarket without a mask. Vaccine passports, the works. I am sick of the so called rights of the anti vaxxers outweighing the safety of millions. Enough. |
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Post by zahidf on Oct 20, 2021 9:47:42 GMT
Deaths are sad but the rate is still just a 10% week on week increase There's no such thing as "just" when it comes to exponential growth. 10% increase per week is 50% per month or 144 times as many (14400%) per year. Don't take my word for it. Work it out.
And yes, I know there are people reading this who are thinking "Ridiculous; it can't possibly get that bad", but that's the problem. Mathematically it can get that bad, and in fact mathematically it must. Exponential growth doesn't stop by itself. The only choice we have is to take action to stop it or to let it be stopped by running out of people. There's no magic that will come along and fix things for us.
Well it wont. At the moment its hitting mainly the unvaccinated. It well then start going down once theyve been infected and the virus runs out of people to infect. Its not exponential until infinity. Its basically been going up and down the last 2 months. this is just the up phase |
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Post by zahidf on Oct 20, 2021 9:48:58 GMT
The biggest risk if there a vaccine busting variant emerges then I am not sure there will be a way to control it. Well we already know the way to control it, or rather the way our incompetent Goverment chooses to control it - wait until infections are too high so the decision is out of their hands, have a lockdown too late, put out confusing messaging about what is allowed and then wonder why things are getting worse. And yes. This time, if we need restrictions then they must be enforced, no ifs, no buts. Nobody in the supermarket without a mask. Vaccine passports, the works. I am sick of the so called rights of the anti vaxxers outweighing the safety of millions. Enough. Wales and Scotland have equally as bad case growth as England , and they have masks and vax passports. |
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Post by Deal J on Oct 20, 2021 10:42:54 GMT
I just wish charts like this would be broadcast more widely, surely they would help encourage the anti-vaxxers to change their minds. Or at least those "on the fence" who the anti-vaxxers are trying to persuade.  |
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Post by hairspray57 on Oct 20, 2021 11:18:43 GMT
Fundamentally cases didn’t get low enough in the spring period. France and Italy got them really low and therefore have a lot higher to climb before it gets scary.
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Post by southstreet on Oct 20, 2021 12:42:51 GMT
Having just spent twelve days in Italy and Austria, where mask wearing on public transport, in shops, etc. is mandatory, it once again strikes me how sh*t this country is in enforcing anything. Even when mask wearing was mandatory, loads of people didn't because they were 'exempt' or just couldn't be bothered, but because nobody had to prove they are exempt, they just got away with it. I mean, we can't possibly make people have to prove they are exempt, that would be an infringement on their human rights, wouldn't it!?! Absolutely ludicrous.
In the 12 days in Rome, Venice and Vienna, I can count on TWO HANDS the amount of people I saw on public transport without a mask and the vast majority of them were on the water buses in Venice in the outside bits of the boat, so effectively outside. So clearly it's very much possible to get everyone to wear masks in those settings, if there is clear messaging and enforcement. In Austria it's not just any mask, but FFP2 masks that need to be worn and people just get on with it.
And whilst I am sure there are some people that should genuinely be exempt from having to wear a mask, it's definitely only a tiny fraction of society that that actually should apply to, not everyone who just doesn't like it very much because it's a bit uncomfortable.
The general attitude of this government and a lot of the general public in this country is just absolutely infuriating. Sorry, rant over! LOL
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Post by zahidf on Oct 20, 2021 13:01:05 GMT
The cases are WELL below the SAGE predictions on the *lower* end (2k hospitalizations & 100k cases per day), not the central case (4.5k & 200k) or upper end (7k & 300k). I dont see why people are acting like things are a disasterÂ
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Post by Mark on Oct 20, 2021 13:29:28 GMT
The cases are WELL below the SAGE predictions on the *lower* end (2k hospitalizations & 100k cases per day), not the central case (4.5k & 200k) or upper end (7k & 300k). I dont see why people are acting like things are a disaster It's the media who are to blame for causing mass hysteria once again. Headlines of "Is another lockdown coming" are not helpful in any way at all. Plan B? It's too late. They won't get the compliance. |
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Post by talkingheads on Oct 20, 2021 13:50:22 GMT
Sajid Javid is actually doing his job and keeping us informed. Major Covid press conference this evening:
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Post by hairspray57 on Oct 20, 2021 14:08:04 GMT
Once again a relative is trying to get vital services but the call centre staff are all working from home and can’t help them. Working from home in a role where you have to access sensitive date should be banned in the public sector.
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Post by hairspray57 on Oct 20, 2021 14:09:33 GMT
The cases are WELL below the SAGE predictions on the *lower* end (2k hospitalizations & 100k cases per day), not the central case (4.5k & 200k) or upper end (7k & 300k). I dont see why people are acting like things are a disaster Because the trend is becoming apparent. And the booster programme is going rather badly which is going to add a whole load of preventable deaths. |
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Post by zahidf on Oct 20, 2021 14:15:51 GMT
The cases are WELL below the SAGE predictions on the *lower* end (2k hospitalizations & 100k cases per day), not the central case (4.5k & 200k) or upper end (7k & 300k). I dont see why people are acting like things are a disaster Because the trend is becoming apparent. And the booster programme is going rather badly which is going to add a whole load of preventable deaths. We literally saw it go up and down over the last month. I'm not convinced we get anywhere close to SAGE modelling |
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Post by TallPaul on Oct 20, 2021 14:57:10 GMT
The trend in restriction-free Scandanavia is becoming quite problematic, especially when compared to the heavily restricted Baltic states. I'm sure someone will invent a perfectly logical explanation.
If there's a version of TheatreBoard in Sweden, I'm reasonably certain its members don't spend their time catastrophising.
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Post by hairspray57 on Oct 20, 2021 16:05:24 GMT
How well is Scandinavia in terms of booster jabs. For countries that have completed their first and seconds jabs that is the crucial issue. Those who don’t booster fast enough look likely to suffer more hospitalisations and deaths than those who do.
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Post by talkingheads on Oct 20, 2021 16:12:49 GMT
So far the main thing everybody on the news is parroting is that 'The Government are planning to wait and see'. HOW DO THEY NOT UNDERSTAND AFTER THREE WAVES OF COVID!!
You bring restrictions in BEFORE things get bad to PREVENT things from getting bad! I am at a total loss as to what on Earth they think they are doing at this point.
The actual Health Secretary is now saying things like 'deaths remain mercifully low'. Are they? Are they really? Does he think that if he says it, people will automatically assume it's true? The lack of masks in that conference says it all. Practice. What. You. Preach. You can't say 'Wear a mask in crowded spaces' if nobody in Parliament is masked!
And I can only assume that as Javid said the pandemic is not over, they'll be reinstating the UC uplift? Oh, they won't? How surprising.
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Post by Jon on Oct 20, 2021 18:38:39 GMT
Once again a relative is trying to get vital services but the call centre staff are all working from home and can’t help them. Working from home in a role where you have to access sensitive date should be banned in the public sector. Stop doom mongering about WFH, it's very irritating. Good to see the UK Government has finally bought Molnupiravir and also Pfizer's treatment although I don't think any countries has ordered the latter yet apart from Australia. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 20, 2021 18:54:22 GMT
Once again a relative is trying to get vital services but the call centre staff are all working from home and can’t help them. Working from home in a role where you have to access sensitive date should be banned in the public sector. No, that isn't the solution. Those who have those jobs also deserve to be safe in a global pandemic. It's 2021, corporations should have plans in place, and workers safety should be a priority. |
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Post by stagebyte on Oct 20, 2021 22:35:05 GMT
Bravo to the Curve Theatre tonight for Derren Brown’s Showman.
On entry signs everywhere requesting masks be worn and ushers giving out masks at every door. They had ushers in the auditorium walking around with giant placards asking for masks to be worn. There was a pre show announcement specifically requesting that unless you were medically exempt that you should wear a mask. Just before the lights went down ushers traversed the aisles extremely slowly with the giant signs - the clear message PUT YOUR MASK ON.
80 percent of tonight’s audience ignored it all. No exaggeration.
From my side slip seats we could see the whole of the stalls area. Shocking behaviour by grown ass people. it was almost laughable (if it wasn’t so serious) to see adults scowl and complain when they saw the signs - realise the ushers were serious - reluctantly put them on - then as soon as the ushers passed them by sneakily take them off like naughty kids.. Huge swathes of folk just blatantly disregarded them completely.
Just pathetic. What a bunch of selfish babies. Such a tiny thing to ask but for some a step too far to think of others than themselves.
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Post by olliebean on Oct 21, 2021 7:38:51 GMT
Bravo to the Curve Theatre tonight for Derren Brown’s Showman. On entry signs everywhere requesting masks be worn and ushers giving out masks at every door. They had ushers in the auditorium walking around with giant placards asking for masks to be worn. There was a pre show announcement specifically requesting that unless you were medically exempt that you should wear a mask. Just before the lights went down ushers traversed the aisles extremely slowly with the giant signs - the clear message PUT YOUR MASK ON. 80 percent of tonight’s audience ignored it all. No exaggeration. From my side slip seats we could see the whole of the stalls area. Shocking behaviour by grown ass people. it was almost laughable (if it wasn’t so serious) to see adults scowl and complain when they saw the signs - realise the ushers were serious - reluctantly put them on - then as soon as the ushers passed them by sneakily take them off like naughty kids.. Huge swathes of folk just blatantly disregarded them completely. Just pathetic. What a bunch of selfish babies. Such a tiny thing to ask but for some a step too far to think of others than themselves. Still, 20% wearing masks is more than can be bothered in the House of Commons. |
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