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Post by talkingheads on Feb 20, 2021 17:06:07 GMT
Oh look, we’re in fantasy land again for the magical COVID test. For example, let's say on Day 1, you were exposed to COVID-19 but didn't realize it. You happen to get tested the next day, but you don't have enough viral load in your system for it to register. Then, anytime between Day 3 and Day 5, you enter the incubation phase. Although you're not showing any symptoms, you're still contagious, you can transmit the virus 24 to 72 hours before you experience any symptoms. A negative test at the door is not a 100% your safe badge to be around 500 people, inside for over 2 hours. At some point it is simply going to have to do. If we waited for 100% we wouldn't get anything open for years. By the end of this year, earlier even, humans will need, actually they will demand social contact, it is as simple as that I myself will remain cautious, but then again I never went to nightclubs anyway. As soon as theatres are back open, I'll be there though. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 20, 2021 17:37:42 GMT
@posterj talkingheads completely agree. Life is never risk free. Life has to carry on. At some point we have to take some personal responsibility. I will also be there the minute theatres are open. |
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Post by lynette on Feb 20, 2021 18:56:06 GMT
Oh look, we’re in fantasy land again for the magical COVID test. For example, let's say on Day 1, you were exposed to COVID-19 but didn't realize it. You happen to get tested the next day, but you don't have enough viral load in your system for it to register. Then, anytime between Day 3 and Day 5, you enter the incubation phase. Although you're not showing any symptoms, you're still contagious, you can transmit the virus 24 to 72 hours before you experience any symptoms. A negative test at the door is not a 100% your safe badge to be around 500 people, inside for over 2 hours. At some point it is simply going to have to do. If we waited for 100% we wouldn't get anything open for years. By the end of this year, earlier even, humans will need, actually they will demand social contact, it is as simple as that I myself will remain cautious, but then again I never went to nightclubs anyway. As soon as theatres are back open, I'll be there though. Forgetting vaccination? |
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Post by talkingheads on Feb 20, 2021 19:51:05 GMT
At some point it is simply going to have to do. If we waited for 100% we wouldn't get anything open for years. By the end of this year, earlier even, humans will need, actually they will demand social contact, it is as simple as that I myself will remain cautious, but then again I never went to nightclubs anyway. As soon as theatres are back open, I'll be there though. Forgetting vaccination? But we have no idea how safe the vaccination makes social contact, especially long term. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 20, 2021 20:48:37 GMT
At some point it is simply going to have to do. If we waited for 100% we wouldn't get anything open for years. By the end of this year, earlier even, humans will need, actually they will demand social contact, it is as simple as that I myself will remain cautious, but then again I never went to nightclubs anyway. As soon as theatres are back open, I'll be there though. Forgetting vaccination? There will never be 100% vaccine take-up, never mind the lack of knowledge of its long term effectiveness and ability to deal with inevitable virus mutations. Anyone who thinks a vaccine is a magic wand to no Covid needs a reality check, it isn't that simple. Risk management will be with us for a long time yet and we just have to learn to live with the virus and each assess our individual risks once the vulnerable are vaccinated. The only other option is to be a hermit indefinitely. |
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Post by lynette on Feb 21, 2021 16:00:00 GMT
Agreed risk management. But we do rely on vaccination for other diseases, flu, measles, polio and even smallpox which is totally suppressed by vaccination in the past. So being in an audience of mainly vaccinated people is ok for vaccinated people. They protect the unvaccinated of course. But unvaccinated can catch whatever it is easily enough. I remember a mum i knew agonising over her new baby as she hadn’t had her older child vaccinated. And measles etc is still a very dangerous disease. So yes, risk management as long as we all know our personal risk and can rely on our fellow theatre goers knowing theirs.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2021 11:36:27 GMT
Leaked info says Theatres open in May.
Watch and wait.
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Post by talkingheads on Feb 22, 2021 11:38:43 GMT
Leaked info says Theatres open in May. Watch and wait. With social distancing? Without? Masks? Without? I can't see how they can promise that at this stage. I saw something about clubs being open by August which, again, feels like a ludicrous prediction. I can definitely see outdoor theatre happening from April onwards with warm weather, that's much more realistic. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2021 12:12:55 GMT
Leaked info says Theatres open in May. Watch and wait. With social distancing? Without? Masks? Without? I can't see how they can promise that at this stage. I saw something about clubs being open by August which, again, feels like a ludicrous prediction. I can definitely see outdoor theatre happening from April onwards with warm weather, that's much more realistic. Info infers it'll be as we've seen it before. Not back to 100% capacity masks off business, thats a long while off. But socially distanced indoor performances aiming for May with the rest of hospitality. |
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Post by Figaro on Feb 22, 2021 12:27:09 GMT
There will be 5 weeks between unlocking stages, from March 8th.
So April 12th, May 17th, June 21st...
Are we looking at a May 17th reopening?
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Post by lynette on Feb 22, 2021 14:32:22 GMT
When can I get my hair done? That must come before anything else. 🤪
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Post by stevej678 on Feb 22, 2021 15:42:11 GMT
Theatres can reopen with social distancing (50% capacity or 1,000 people, whichever is lower) from 17 May and potentially at full capacity from 21 June.
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Post by talkingheads on Feb 22, 2021 15:54:23 GMT
I remember when Boris said he would act on data not dates, but he has effectively said all restrictions lifted by 21st June.
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Post by stevej678 on Feb 22, 2021 15:55:26 GMT
I remember when Boris said he would act on data not dates, but he has effectively said all restrictions lifted by 21st June. The dates are subject to the data. |
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Post by talkingheads on Feb 22, 2021 15:57:46 GMT
I remember when Boris said he would act on data not dates, but he has effectively said all restrictions lifted by 21st June. The dates are subject to the data. I'd just rather they held back on saying things like 'all restrictions lifted'. I can just about deal with the lockdowns, what I can't deal with is the hope followed shortly by crushing disappointment as restrictions are extended yet again. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2021 16:14:00 GMT
The dates are subject to the data. I'd just rather they held back on saying things like 'all restrictions lifted'. I can just about deal with the lockdowns, what I can't deal with is the hope followed shortly by crushing disappointment as restrictions are extended yet again. I think for many people the opposite is true. People have been locked down for long enough that without some aspirational dates people will just get fed up and stop complying. If people know there is an end likely in sight, then most people are more likely to keep to the rules that little bit longer. Also businesses need to be able to plan I'm no fan of Boris, but setting fairly slow tentative dates at the minute is the eminently sensible thing to do to reduce the risk of the rules just being ignored more than some are already doing. Plus my mood is very much improved by the hope of being able to meet a friend in 2 weeks. If it doesn't happen, it will be no different to the past year, but just even having the hope of a date makes all the difference in the world to me. And nothing will stop me being in a theatre on 17 May if that date is achieved. |
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Post by Figaro on Feb 22, 2021 16:14:08 GMT
So are we thinking that Six will reopen on May 17th and then everything else from Mid June onwards?
I can’t see the Les Mis concert returning.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2021 16:16:27 GMT
So are we thinking that Six will reopen on May 17th and then everything else from Mid June onwards? I can’t see the Les Mis concert returning. Tina was also planning a May opening but not sure if they will do socially distanced. Jamie might also re-open in May. Come From Away has already postponed until June so I suspect they will stick to that date. |
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Post by stevej678 on Feb 22, 2021 16:18:36 GMT
Here's the crucial paragraphs from the roadmap on large events.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2021 16:35:42 GMT
The dates are subject to the data. I'd just rather they held back on saying things like 'all restrictions lifted'. I can just about deal with the lockdowns, what I can't deal with is the hope followed shortly by crushing disappointment as restrictions are extended yet again. Yeah, but when they don't give estimated dates you get people saying "How do you expect us to plan to reopen if you don't give us dates to aim for?" |
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Post by HereForTheatre on Feb 22, 2021 16:49:06 GMT
Good news. Though I think that when theatres re-open at potential full capacity in June, it still won't quite be the same experience of old and there will be various things in play to keep it safe. But, anything to get us back in there and all shows able to open.
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Post by zahidf on Feb 22, 2021 17:01:49 GMT
Anyone see anything about museums?
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Post by couldileaveyou on Feb 22, 2021 17:08:14 GMT
Anyone see anything about museums? I think April 12th together with libraries? |
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Post by Dawnstar on Feb 22, 2021 17:32:51 GMT
One of the things the BBC is reporting for 17th May is
Surely there are going to be major problems if they bring it vaccine passports at an earlier date than that at which they are due to have offered everyone at least one dose of vaccine? To tell many people who are desparate to get vaccinated but have not been allowed to have it yet that they are going to be banned from events that people who, by means of age or occupation, have already been given the vaccine are allowed to attend seems to me to be deeply unfair.
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Post by alece10 on Feb 22, 2021 17:35:40 GMT
One of the things the BBC is reporting for 17th May is Surely there are going to be major problems if they bring it vaccine passports at an earlier date than that at which they are due to have offered everyone at least one dose of vaccine? To tell many people who are desparate to get vaccinated but have not been allowed to have it yet that they are going to be banned from events that people who, by means of age or occupation, have already been given the vaccine are allowed to attend seems to me to be deeply unfair. Well that's one advantage of being old I guess. 😀 |
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