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Post by theatreian on May 22, 2020 14:00:51 GMT
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Post by Jon on May 22, 2020 14:12:53 GMT
Are drive-ins a thing in the UK? Will be interesting if it works.
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Post by crowblack on May 22, 2020 14:55:55 GMT
Playing devil's advocate here. Another thought. What are people really expecting to be different in the Autumn or in Spring 2021? More knowledge of the disease, a pooling of experience about the best ways to treat it, a health drive to improve public health (poor BMI, diabetes and vitamin D levels all seem to be factors and these can be mitigated to some degree), greater herd immunity to reduce transmission, not creating a new spike going into the regular winter flu period which already increases pressure on the NHS.
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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2020 15:04:50 GMT
Playing devil's advocate here. Another thought. What are people really expecting to be different in the Autumn or in Spring 2021? More knowledge of the disease, a pooling of experience about the best ways to treat it, a health drive to improve public health (poor BMI, diabetes and vitamin C levels all seem to be factors and these can be mitigated to some degree), greater herd immunity to reduce transmission, not creating a new spike going into the regular winter flu period which already increases pressure on the NHS. Yup, all true to an extent. The UK's average BMI and T2DM burden won't change in a year though. And herd immunity, if R stays where it is will not provide much difference. But certainly we will have more medical experience which can only be positive. In terms of avoiding winter flu - well either we go for now, or we wait until next March ish before actors can even audition again.... As I say though, I am playing devil's advocate here and providing a different viewpoint - I'm not saying I think it's right to prepare to get back into business now. But I think any changes other than a vaccine are small fry.
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Post by theglenbucklaird on May 22, 2020 15:05:18 GMT
Thought they came back and said they got it wrong and the software wasn't working
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Post by theglenbucklaird on May 22, 2020 15:11:43 GMT
In response to a question, she said that she should have been doing a play later this year but had been told by the producers that it was unlikely now to happen before next spring. Oh OK, that's slightly different then, my question would be directed at the producers and in that case it matters a lot if they are in the commercial or subsidised sectors because I expect their outlooks are different. Just commercially, due to foreign tourism, their horizon for opening may be longer. I love the thought that Juliet Stevenson is now my spokesperson for health matters and ending lockdown
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Post by n1david on May 22, 2020 15:13:30 GMT
Oh OK, that's slightly different then, my question would be directed at the producers and in that case it matters a lot if they are in the commercial or subsidised sectors because I expect their outlooks are different. Just commercially, due to foreign tourism, their horizon for opening may be longer. I love the thought that Juliet Stevenson is now my spokesperson for health matters and ending lockdown Well she was The Doctor (and maybe will be again next year) - no, not THAT Doctor!
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Post by crowblack on May 22, 2020 15:56:46 GMT
The UK's average BMI and T2DM burden won't change in a year though Well I've lost a stone since lockdown began, mainly because it's harder to get bread, dairy and snacks.
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Post by HereForTheatre on May 22, 2020 16:30:01 GMT
One theatre not re-opening will be the Haymarket Leicester. Just announced it's gone into liquidation. This is a venue that only just re-opened a few years ago and hasn't built a big enough reserve or audience to survive this. Such a shame. It was great for Leicester to have two major theatres. I'm hoping it can be saved.
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Post by Dawnstar on May 22, 2020 16:39:31 GMT
I guess I can write off ever getting a refund for the cancelled Curtains back in March then. I'd never actually been in the theatre, that would have been my first visit as I've only been to the Curve in Leicester previously.
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Post by djp on May 22, 2020 17:23:08 GMT
More knowledge of the disease, a pooling of experience about the best ways to treat it, a health drive to improve public health (poor BMI, diabetes and vitamin C levels all seem to be factors and these can be mitigated to some degree), greater herd immunity to reduce transmission, not creating a new spike going into the regular winter flu period which already increases pressure on the NHS. Yup, all true to an extent. The UK's average BMI and T2DM burden won't change in a year though. And herd immunity, if R stays where it is will not provide much difference. But certainly we will have more medical experience which can only be positive. In terms of avoiding winter flu - well either we go for now, or we wait until next March ish before actors can even audition again.... As I say though, I am playing devil's advocate here and providing a different viewpoint - I'm not saying I think it's right to prepare to get back into business now. But I think any changes other than a vaccine are small fry. Indeed herd immunity will take for ever at 3- 5% infected rates, and slow spread. . Its the vaccine we need , and you would hope that with so many vaccines , based on alternative approaches one will work, even if like flu you need regular top ups. the other possibility is that one of the medical blocking treatments can be taken before infection.
Theatre faces specific problems according to some of the research on spread coming out, if its right. This theory, based on tracing the path of transmission via genetic testing of the virus in different victims , suggest that most spread has been by relatively few people in specific situations. Meet outside in sunshine and with normal airflow and your chances of the virus spreading to you go down by a factor of 17. Put the same people in an enclosed space indoors and you have a problem. Add on activity that creates expelled air and viral particles with some force behind them - in the form of loud speaking , singing, or, heavy ,exercise induced, breathing, and you end up with complete choirs and exercise classes going down with covid19. That argues for social distancing to be maintained at a strong level in theatres, which may be impractical and uneconomic, and as the letter to the telegraph points out incompatible with the plot on stage.
There's also the practicalities. Much of a winter audience have coughs- whose going to sit in a room of coughing people? Transport into Cities will be limited by distancing, so how does much of the audience reliably get there? Public toilets are usually unpleasant, and in confined airless spaces , but how does an audience survive without one? How do you exit and enter without forming a crowd inside or outside? And how can you make the money add up with no tourists and social distancing shredding seat numbers?
Basically, you need government to step in and keep things together until they can reopen again. The medium to long term economics clearly support that. And in the meantime you need to think of something for actors, who tend to be bright, capable, people to do filling in gaps in sectors like education and other public services.
There's also more that could be offered on line. Those of us who know who we think is good, and would pay to see or listen to them on line, would be happy to see more online concerts, or even plays. The problem is that we don't really have enough knowledge in the potential audience audience of who is good,or whats available online , Its much easier to produce one of the brilliant collaborative covers of one song than something longer, and the economics are against producers putting the effort in for what may be too small a return.
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Post by n1david on May 22, 2020 18:28:09 GMT
I guess I can write off ever getting a refund for the cancelled Curtains back in March then. Time to talk to your credit/debit card company if you paid with plastic.
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Post by BurlyBeaR on May 22, 2020 18:35:20 GMT
I guess I can write off ever getting a refund for the cancelled Curtains back in March then. I'd never actually been in the theatre, that would have been my first visit as I've only been to the Curve in Leicester previously. The money is yours. If you’re waiting for the theatre to facilitate it, it won’t happen. Understandably they’re not going to give refunds unless they have to. If you want your money back Dawnstar you’ll need to contact them and tell them. If they dont respond then go to your credit card company. You’ll get it back , eventually.
Some production companies are relying on people giving up on the refund process and writing off the money they paid. This is understandable and if you want to give them the money great. If not, get it back.
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Post by londonpostie on May 22, 2020 20:00:39 GMT
Yep Dawnstar , chase them up! I started doing that last week and today got another back - the ROH for La Boheme which was due this coming Monday. The Coliseum/ENO are the most late-payers for me, still not coughed up for the jilted Marriage of Figaro (on 19th March!). Other than that just waiting for Love Theatre, who have a stated but delayed policy and things are in the pipeline.
In all I had 27 to sort out up to the end of July - whole range of outcomes inc. donations, credits, refunds, keep for rebooking ..
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Post by Dawnstar on May 22, 2020 21:02:54 GMT
If you want your money back Dawnstar you’ll need to contact them and tell them. If they dont respond then go to your credit card company. You’ll get it back , eventually. Yep Dawnstar , chase them up! I started doing that last week and today got another back - the ROH for La Boheme which was due this coming Monday. How can I contact a company that has gone into administration though? Surely they won't have anyone working for them now, if they can't pay them? The website still has the "do not contact the box office" message that has been up since the theatres closed.
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Post by basdfg on May 22, 2020 21:04:26 GMT
Is there any precedent of a theatre going bust.
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Post by londonpostie on May 22, 2020 21:37:24 GMT
Dawnstar Oh I see. The company will come out of admin at some point, either becasue it's been bought (unlikely) or to continue to liquidation. You'll get an email at that stage, I would guess. When push comes to shove (i.e. liquidation) you will be an unsecured creditor and, well, good luck getting anything at that point. If you have an option via your credit card that is the best route, though I can't help with timeline.
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Post by NeilVHughes on May 22, 2020 21:42:37 GMT
The only option open is if you paid by credit card.
You could contact the administrators but you will be low down the pecking order as the assets are sold off.
If the company comes out of administration its debts will likely be written off and the new owners will not have any liability for the previous losses.
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Post by n1david on May 22, 2020 22:21:06 GMT
Just get in touch with the issuer if you paid by credit or debit card. The company who charged you has not provided the services you paid for. It's nothing to do with the producer, your contract is with the theatre. If you paid by credit card, get in touch with your credit card company to raise a Sction 75 refund. If you paid by debit card, get in touch with your bank and request a Chargeback. Section 75 is robust and you'll get your money back. Chargeback is a bit more hit and miss but worth a try, But don't bother with the administrators or the remaining staff at the Haymarket, just get in touch with your card issuer as long as you paid with plastic.
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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2020 6:49:21 GMT
I think Section 75 only applies if the purchase is over £100, but you should still be able to do a chargeback. As David says, I would just get in touch with your card issuer. My understanding is that it is your card issuer, not you, who is a creditor of the failed organisation. So they should refund you, and its up to them to try to get the cash back from the administrators.
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Post by Dawnstar on May 23, 2020 11:36:43 GMT
It was only £38 & paid by debit card so I guess I'll have to try to contact my bank on Monday, if I can work out how to, and see what they say. I guess it's not a huge amount if I can't get it back, just a bit annoying.
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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2020 12:09:03 GMT
Yup, all true to an extent. The UK's average BMI and T2DM burden won't change in a year though. And herd immunity, if R stays where it is will not provide much difference. But certainly we will have more medical experience which can only be positive. In terms of avoiding winter flu - well either we go for now, or we wait until next March ish before actors can even audition again.... As I say though, I am playing devil's advocate here and providing a different viewpoint - I'm not saying I think it's right to prepare to get back into business now. But I think any changes other than a vaccine are small fry. Indeed herd immunity will take for ever at 3- 5% infected rates, and slow spread. . Its the vaccine we need , and you would hope that with so many vaccines , based on alternative approaches one will work, even if like flu you need regular top ups. the other possibility is that one of the medical blocking treatments can be taken before infection.
Theatre faces specific problems according to some of the research on spread coming out, if its right. This theory, based on tracing the path of transmission via genetic testing of the virus in different victims , suggest that most spread has been by relatively few people in specific situations. Meet outside in sunshine and with normal airflow and your chances of the virus spreading to you go down by a factor of 17. Put the same people in an enclosed space indoors and you have a problem. Add on activity that creates expelled air and viral particles with some force behind them - in the form of loud speaking , singing, or, heavy ,exercise induced, breathing, and you end up with complete choirs and exercise classes going down with covid19. That argues for social distancing to be maintained at a strong level in theatres, which may be impractical and uneconomic, and as the letter to the telegraph points out incompatible with the plot on stage.
There's also the practicalities. Much of a winter audience have coughs- whose going to sit in a room of coughing people? Transport into Cities will be limited by distancing, so how does much of the audience reliably get there? Public toilets are usually unpleasant, and in confined airless spaces , but how does an audience survive without one? How do you exit and enter without forming a crowd inside or outside? And how can you make the money add up with no tourists and social distancing shredding seat numbers?
Basically, you need government to step in and keep things together until they can reopen again. The medium to long term economics clearly support that. And in the meantime you need to think of something for actors, who tend to be bright, capable, people to do filling in gaps in sectors like education and other public services.
There's also more that could be offered on line. Those of us who know who we think is good, and would pay to see or listen to them on line, would be happy to see more online concerts, or even plays. The problem is that we don't really have enough knowledge in the potential audience audience of who is good,or whats available online , Its much easier to produce one of the brilliant collaborative covers of one song than something longer, and the economics are against producers putting the effort in for what may be too small a return.
The way that the virus is spread through the air is the real worry. In a business that relies on people projecting their voices to the back row then the very act of acting is an increased risk. For those in musicals, I can imagine that is even more the case. In a sick twist, it also makes an audience at a comedy at greater risk than one where they keep their mouth shut. A large number of Broadway performers seemed to get ill, so it would be useful to have a study as to how and when this spread (Moulin Rouge seemed to be particularly hard hit). As for singalong performances, well, you can imagine. Gyms, clubs, theatres, gigs, religious gatherings, choirs etc., the start reality is that all of these are vectors for transmission.
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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2020 14:04:29 GMT
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Post by Dawnstar on May 23, 2020 16:56:06 GMT
Thanks for the links. Unfortunately it says you have to claim within 120 days of paying & I booked back in December so I'm outside the claim limit. I'll try contacting my bank but suspect it'll be a no.
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Post by n1david on May 23, 2020 17:08:15 GMT
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