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Post by Deleted on May 21, 2020 10:41:53 GMT
Some of the research coming out suggests it is more prolonged contact that transfers the virus, particularly when the group size is dense. So incidental passing, particularly among masked people, may not be particularly problematic.
Lots of questions surfacing about the efficacy of herd immunity right now given that Sweden's numbers are rapidly rising. So much still to learn.
As we've opened up here in the States, it has been a very mixed bag unsurprisingly. The warmer weather is bringing people out in droves, some masked and cautious and so many others acting as if we're all cured and reverting to their old behaviors. The tension between those groups is quite evident. This is a three-day holiday weekend for us and I'm leery of what it will produce.
And I'm afraid we've all been at this for so long that government is forgetting the need for incessant messaging about what risks remain and how we can avoid them.
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Post by Deleted on May 21, 2020 10:42:02 GMT
The situation I find interesting - now that we apparently have an effective antibody test - is you can have a theatre full of people who can prove their immunity (accepting you can't get it a second time). So you do that and reopen with a clear medical criteria set for ticket buyers - show me your test results. In London, thst's not a small percentage. That, it would seem, provides an incentive for people under 50 to go, find the damn virus, isolate for 14-days and spend that time making theatre bookings. At the end of that - unless you're one of unfortunate 1/10k - all is well, and you can even hug a grandparent. I must have missed something? Quick! Ring Boris!!! |
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Post by TallPaul on May 21, 2020 10:46:15 GMT
If only Sonia Friedman had a boss who had just been appointed to the Government's newly created taskforce. Oh, wait...she does!
Shame he knows more about champagne than theatre, but hopefully he won't be too proud to ignore the expertise of others, regardless of whether or not he employs them.
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Post by Deleted on May 21, 2020 10:49:18 GMT
If only Sonia Friedman had a boss who had just been appointed to the Government's newly created taskforce. Oh, wait...she does! Shame he knows more about champagne than theatre, but hopefully he won't be too proud to ignore the expertise of others, regardless of whether or not he employs them. Sonia has a boss!?!? I thought she WAS the BOSS! ?! |
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Post by londonpostie on May 21, 2020 10:54:06 GMT
You'd be lucky to get 4-days a week out of him. Def not Fridays. |
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Post by vickyg on May 21, 2020 10:56:26 GMT
The situation I find interesting - now that we apparently have an effective antibody test - is you can have a theatre full of people who can prove their immunity (accepting you can't get it a second time). So you do that and reopen with a clear medical criteria set for ticket buyers - show me your test results. In London, thst's not a small percentage. That, it would seem, provides an incentive for people under 50 to go, find the damn virus, isolate for 14-days and spend that time making theatre bookings. At the end of that - unless you're one of unfortunate 1/10k - all is well, and you can even hug a grandparent. I must have missed something? The most recent, and most, depressing reports I've heard that could scupper this plan is the 13 Navy Sailors who appear to have been reinfected after rigorous testing to ensure they had previously recovered. But I have also been told (I work in a hospital, but not clinically) that the test is extremely sensitive and can pick up 'dead virus', so who knows! www.npr.org/sections/coronavirus-live-updates/2020/05/16/857379338/5-uss-roosevelt-sailors-test-positive-for-covid-19-again I'm looking forward to the track and trace app as hopefully this would allow us to show our green light as we are admitted and I can see this being a promising way to go. |
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Post by Samwise on May 21, 2020 11:24:28 GMT
Something I don't understand - Arts Council funded theatres should be OK shouldn't they?The subsidy rolls in, refunds are made to punters, paid security secure the building and staff are furloughed. Or am I missing something? I guess the question is when to reopen? As you can maybe tell I don't work in fiance or the arts! No theatre that receives Arts Council subsidy is entirely funded by the Arts Council. The NT receives around 20% of its budget from the Arts Council, and it dwindles every year. Not enough to keep it open if there are no bums on seats, or without a further rescue package for the industry by gevernment. |
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Post by Jon on May 21, 2020 11:32:37 GMT
I’ll say it again, it’s in the Government’s best interest to have the theatres and other cultural organisations up and running when things get back to normal because they contribute a significant sum to the economy plus unlike Northern Rock or Virgin East Coast which were nationalised most of these organisations are financially stable.
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Post by Samwise on May 21, 2020 11:34:19 GMT
I’ll say it again, it’s in the Government’s best interest to have the theatres and other cultural organisations up and running when things get back to normal because they contribute a significant sum to the economy plus unlike Northern Rock or Virgin East Coast which were nationalised most of these organisations are financially stable. This government won't value it anywhere nearly as highly as getting people back to work in finance and manufacturing. |
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Post by BurlyBeaR on May 21, 2020 11:41:03 GMT
Can we please keep this discussion on the topic of getting theatres, sports and other cultural events etc up and running and not have it become another general covid thread. Thank you.
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Post by crowblack on May 21, 2020 13:15:21 GMT
This government won't value it anywhere nearly as highly as getting people back to work in finance and manufacturing. I think it will because of the social cachet. Politicians like swanning around at first nights and rich men like having their names on arts buildings, and without theatre, galleries, opera etc. London life isn't much fun. |
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Post by Jon on May 21, 2020 13:26:53 GMT
I think it will because of the social cachet. Politicians like swanning around at first nights and rich men like having their names on arts buildings, and without theatre, galleries, opera etc. London life isn't much fun. Not to mention, many of them are Tory donors or voters. |
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Post by talkingheads on May 21, 2020 13:37:49 GMT
This government won't value it anywhere nearly as highly as getting people back to work in finance and manufacturing. I think it will because of the social cachet. Politicians like swanning around at first nights and rich men like having their names on arts buildings, and without theatre, galleries, opera etc. London life isn't much fun. I was considering moving to London specifically for the theatre and comedy clubs. Without that, living in London is a ridiculous idea. |
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Post by duncan on May 21, 2020 14:19:03 GMT
This government won't value it anywhere nearly as highly as getting people back to work in finance and manufacturing. I think it will because of the social cachet. Politicians like swanning around at first nights and rich men like having their names on arts buildings, and without theatre, galleries, opera etc. London life isn't much fun. Social cachet going forward is going to be NHS/Care fundraising and support, it aint going to be sticking your name on a wing of the National Gallery or sponsoring cheap tickets at the National Theatre. until at least the next General Election its going to be politicians, celebrities and the rich and famous showing us all how much more they care about key workers than anyone else. That's where the voters, and media, focus is going to be. The Travelex Buy a Minibus for a Care Home Scheme or the Wetherspoons Hospital Wing are going to be far more attractive to those with money to burn. |
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Post by Deleted on May 21, 2020 14:26:35 GMT
I think it will because of the social cachet. Politicians like swanning around at first nights and rich men like having their names on arts buildings, and without theatre, galleries, opera etc. London life isn't much fun. I was considering moving to London specifically for the theatre and comedy clubs. Without that, living in London is a ridiculous idea. Haha, this is post of the day for me - couldn't agree more! |
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Post by n1david on May 21, 2020 14:35:06 GMT
I'm sure I'm not the only Londoner who is starting to think for the first time, "you know, if all this stuff doesn't come back, there might be a better place to live". Don't get me wrong, I love London, it's been my home for over 30 years, but without its social and cultural life... it's just people.
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Post by NeilVHughes on May 21, 2020 14:48:51 GMT
@n1david same thoughts, without the social and cultural life which I moved here for the higher cost of living in London is difficult to reconcile.
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Post by talkingheads on May 21, 2020 15:15:42 GMT
The National looking at 'significant redundancies', which could be as much as 30% of the workforce.
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Post by alece10 on May 21, 2020 15:18:33 GMT
Something worth considering. I originally come from Cornwall and also spent many years living in Tenerife. Both places I love and people often ask me if I intend to retire to one of them. I always say that I would miss London for the theatre and culture but if that is going to change forever then maybe a move is worth considering as there are lots of negative things about London.
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Post by alece10 on May 21, 2020 15:29:10 GMT
I would feel much safer in a theatre that observes social distance policies than I currently do travelling on the underground and buses every day. No chance of social distancing, no air con, travelling with some people who clearly are not the most hygienic people and then being in an office for 8 hours a day where it is impossible to keep 2 meters apart, touching lord knows how many doors, handles, printers, tables etc that you have not idea if they have been cleaned or not. Id much rather be in a theatre sitting a couple of seats away from the next person knowing that everything has been cleaned and sanitised and every possible care taken. Of course, have to get the bus and the tube to get to the theatre in the first place! Government happy to get everyone back to work and back on public transport to get the economy moving no matter what the consequences are. And I am actually in quite a good mood today even for my moans  |
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Post by londonpostie on May 21, 2020 17:58:33 GMT
Further to the point I was making earlier, the useless Gov now thinks 17% of Londoners are carrying the antibodies, and "a system of certification" was mentioned by Tony Hancock, sorry Matt Hancock.
Begs that interesting question of what do, say, under 50s do if they aren't exposed to elderly relatives or other vulnerable people ... is it reasonable to look for the virus?
Rhetorical q: What would you do if you could get a cert and be back in the National in three weeks - would you take the virus hit? |
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Post by clair on May 21, 2020 18:43:21 GMT
My heart says yes like a shot - missing theatre badly. The sensible head part of me which knows how badly I react to any form of medication (even paracetamol) and remembers just how ill I was with swine flu says don't even think about it. Trouble is I always did let my heart rule my head...................................
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Post by londonpostie on May 21, 2020 19:16:16 GMT
well, it gets us all in trouble ...
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Post by crowblack on May 21, 2020 21:06:29 GMT
Juliet Stevenson and others were on Front Row on BBC2 at 7pm discussing the future of theatre. She didn't think it would restart till next Spring.
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Post by NeilVHughes on May 21, 2020 21:12:27 GMT
Slowly coming round to and reconciling myself to the next spring date as well.
If we get anything this year it will be fringe Theatre.
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