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Post by zak97 on Mar 30, 2020 8:50:29 GMT
I really hope City of Angels gets to do some of its run. Would be a shame after the long wait for the run not to last beyond the first weeks now.
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Post by westlondon on Mar 30, 2020 8:59:24 GMT
When the theatres closed initially, I was told they would be shut for 12 weeks- which would take us up to late June. If that is the time theatres can resume operations, allow for a week to re-tech and prepare for public opening. That's if everything goes to plan! So sad for Stephen Schwartz- Children of Eden (though far from perfect) was finished off by the Gulf War. Now this. So much for there being miracles if you believe. The hardest part of love is letting go. You know this is a “speculation” thread, right? Please be sensitive to other people in the industry who are desperate to know if they’ll still have jobs to return to. Speaking as if it’s a forgone conclusion they haven’t is a little cruel.
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Post by horton on Mar 30, 2020 16:40:51 GMT
Sorry, I thought the cancellation had been announced, but since as you point out, this is a speculation thread, I am sure my industry colleagues, who will have heard what I have heard, will realize that it is not left to me to confirm anything on this board. Try not to sound sanctimonious.
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Post by westlondon on Mar 30, 2020 18:36:37 GMT
Sorry, I thought the cancellation had been announced, but since as you point out, this is a speculation thread, I am sure my industry colleagues, who will have heard what I have heard, will realize that it is not left to me to confirm anything on this board. Try not to sound sanctimonious. I’ll try
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Post by richey on Apr 1, 2020 12:52:49 GMT
Anyone else, like me, getting the feeling we're not going to be seeing much theatre for the rest of the year?
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Post by Mark on Apr 1, 2020 13:06:39 GMT
Anyone else, like me, getting the feeling we're not going to be seeing much theatre for the rest of the year? Sadly, yes. Even when out of lockdown there could be social distancing rules in place for some time, and limits on large gatherings. As long as this virus is about, I can't see a lot of people wanting to be crammed into a tight theatre.
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Post by crowblack on Apr 1, 2020 13:09:12 GMT
Anyone else, like me, getting the feeling we're not going to be seeing much theatre for the rest of the year? I wonder what's going to happen to TV / film productions too?
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Post by talkingheads on Apr 1, 2020 13:16:20 GMT
Anyone else, like me, getting the feeling we're not going to be seeing much theatre for the rest of the year? Sadly, yes. Even when out of lockdown there could be social distancing rules in place for some time, and limits on large gatherings. As long as this virus is about, I can't see a lot of people wanting to be crammed into a tight theatre. Yep. I've written off seeing anything until next year, sadly. Even if theatres do reopen I'd be sceptical of going, unless I really, really wanted to see it (the first gig will be a comedy show, I'll need to laugh by then!)
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Post by Rory on Apr 1, 2020 13:17:40 GMT
My guess is that SOLT will shortly give an update announcing an extended closure until 30th June, in line with the National and the Barbican but in reality, I can't see theatres re-opening until October or possibly next year.
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Post by Snciole on Apr 1, 2020 13:32:55 GMT
I think any re-openings won't be until autumn at the earliest and even then it will be limited to the bigger theatres, who might have had a buffer/generous donors.
At the risk of sounding really morbid I think 2020 might be a write-off for the theatre industry and a lot of theatres, particularly fringe in big cities, will not come back. I also think we need to look at what audiences attitudes will be after weeks or months in lockdown. I love theatre but this whole incident has made me question whether I need to be in crowded spaces as often as I am.
On the other hand, there will still be productions I want to see but this is such an unprecedented event who knows if it will ever return to normal.
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Post by zak97 on Apr 1, 2020 13:45:05 GMT
Slightly off topic, but speculation in a way, are the sets just sitting in empty theatres at the moment?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 1, 2020 13:48:54 GMT
See, I'm the opposite Snciole - I am really missing being part of an audience and will be back as soon as they open. Actually, I am missing crowds and people and noise and buzz in general - it's brought home to me why I choose to live in a busy city. I'm personally less worried about catching anything though from a societal point of view I obviously agree with actions to prevent transmission and protect the more vulnerable, and I'm not complacent about the risks. I suspect a lot of people will be like me and will be gagging to get into pubs, restaurants, theatres, etc as soon as they open again. I'd be surprised if the NT just announced closure to 30 June randomly - it's presumably based on the advice they are getting from Govt. But that could obviously change since the whole situation is very unpredictable. I have also had my pessimistic moments about any semblance of normality returning until spring next year. But equally the science is moving fast, so better treatments are likely to be around soon even if a vaccine is 12 months away. Basically - who knows??
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Post by Deleted on Apr 1, 2020 13:49:25 GMT
Slightly off topic, but speculation in a way, are the sets just sitting in empty theatres at the moment? LOL - I wondered that. I guess they are. But is someone going in occasionaly with a duster and to run the hoover round. And for the complex sets with moving parts will they keep up maintenance and safety checks at the moment?
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Post by samuelwhiskers on Apr 1, 2020 13:55:39 GMT
The theatres I’m currently working with are making their plans on the assumption they’ll de-open around June, but with the warning that nothing is certain or predictable. A production of mine was supposed to open in May and is now scheduled to start rehearsals in September and everything (casting, contracts, accommodation) is being sorted out with the assumption that by September everything will be back to normal.
Who knows what will happen or whether they are being crazily optimistic.
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Post by zak97 on Apr 1, 2020 14:14:46 GMT
I wonder if the Drifters Girl will be delayed a bit. Surely hard for that show to build up an advance at the moment.
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Post by Snciole on Apr 1, 2020 14:38:18 GMT
See, I'm the opposite Snciole - I am really missing being part of an audience and will be back as soon as they open. Actually, I am missing crowds and people and noise and buzz in general - it's brought home to me why I choose to live in a busy city. I'm personally less worried about catching anything though from a societal point of view I obviously agree with actions to prevent transmission and protect the more vulnerable, and I'm not complacent about the risks. I suspect a lot of people will be like me and will be gagging to get into pubs, restaurants, theatres, etc as soon as they open again. I'd be surprised if the NT just announced closure to 30 June randomly - it's presumably based on the advice they are getting from Govt. But that could obviously change since the whole situation is very unpredictable. I have also had my pessimistic moments about any semblance of normality returning until spring next year. But equally the science is moving fast, so better treatments are likely to be around soon even if a vaccine is 12 months away. Basically - who knows?? I get that but I think there will be a lot of scepticism about Government advice about when we can go back (When, how long for, what volume etc) as I felt they really effed up between 13-16 March. It was messy and confused when the advice should have been based on countries that were having major epidemics, not treating it like chicken pox. Will people ever feel truly safe or will Coronavirus become like a cold, an inconvenience but not life threatening. I will be honest I am missing my friends and eating out far more than theatre and personally I was exhausting myself covering and seeing as much I was (for blog and for my own pleasure) perhaps because I saw so much in short spaces of time I am not finding myself missing it and enjoying lockdown. Theatre streams are great but I am not sure they are for me and what I enjoy about theatre. I will be back but will I need to see as much as I was before? Probably not. As I said the big names and theatres will be fine but I think this will change the theatre landscape nationally, particularly pub theatres that will have the double whammy of losing pub and theatre revenue. Will people want to see more in smaller spaces or support larger productions? I think a June reopening is far too optimistic and probably about cash flow rather than improvement in the situation for most spaces. I am increasingly seeing events cancelled into July and August now.
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Post by david on Apr 1, 2020 15:20:14 GMT
Speaking on the phone to a member of the Liverpool Playhouse/Everyman theatres box office yesterday and I got the impression that they were currently looking at a September / October reopening at the earliest. Hopefully there will be something to salvage theatre wise this year. I'm just glad that organisations are making stuff available online for us to watch during the pandemic to help keep morale up and keep us entertained during lockdown. I'll be very happy when the day comes when my email inbox pings with announcements of reopening's rather than news of extensions of closures of theatres.
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Post by richey on Apr 1, 2020 15:24:03 GMT
With Edinburgh Fringe (August) and now Wimbledon being cancelled, I'd agree that June is likely to be very optimistic for a reopening.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 1, 2020 15:30:45 GMT
The organisation I work for (not theatre-related) is cancelling major events over summer - but that's not based on any info or forecasting, so much as just not knowing what the situation might be; we can't afford all the work and money that will go into preparing for something that might not happen. For things like festivals and sports tournaments, I suspect that's the same - it's painful to cancel Wimbledon but less so than putting loads of time and effort into prepping for it and then potentially having to unravel it all. For smaller things, we're still holding out hope that we might be able to do them and so going ahead as planned for now.
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Post by TallPaul on Apr 1, 2020 15:51:46 GMT
Not all, of course, but many producing houses wind down over the summer anyway, so it's perhaps understandable that they are planning on reopening in the autumn, even though I really hope they could reopen earlier if they wanted.
I think receiving houses will want to reopen long before then, as soon as they are allowed...providing they have a product to show and an audience that wants to see it!
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Post by basdfg on Apr 1, 2020 15:55:14 GMT
I asked before but how are ticket holders who booked at a box office in cash getting refunds etc.
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Post by n1david on Apr 1, 2020 16:25:05 GMT
I'm waiting for the next Broadway announcement - at the moment Broadway is only closed until April 12, so due to reopen a week on Monday. Given that NYC is really in the midst of it now, I can't believe things are going to open then, but I just wish they'd get on with the announcement of the next closure period - I had a trip planned at the end of this month and it would be quite useful if my tickets were refunded (which they will do automatically when cancelled).
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Post by Dawnstar on Apr 1, 2020 17:21:06 GMT
Even when theatres are allowed to re-open, I would have thought many of them will have to think hard about how economically viable it is for them to do so immediately. If a large proportion of their usual audience is unable to attend then will they be able to sell enough tickets? For regional theatres much of their usual audience is retired so at higher risk, while there will be far fewer tourists in London to fill the West End theatres. Plus how many working age people will have had much reduced incomes so won't be able to afford luxuries like theatre tickets. (Yes, I know most of us think of theatre as a necessity but "normal" people mostly don't!) What about if there are multiple coronavirus peaks alternating with lockdowns? It would surely be very difficult for theatres to re-open for a couple of months, close again for a couple of months, re-open again, etc. And if theatres re-open then are linked to clusters of coronavirus cases then it'd be pretty terrible for PR.
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Post by basdfg on Apr 1, 2020 17:59:24 GMT
I'm waiting for the next Broadway announcement - at the moment Broadway is only closed until April 12, so due to reopen a week on Monday. Given that NYC is really in the midst of it now, I can't believe things are going to open then, but I just wish they'd get on with the announcement of the next closure period - I had a trip planned at the end of this month and it would be quite useful if my tickets were refunded (which they will do automatically when cancelled). The Stay at home order there extends to April 15th so surely they should at least cancel those performances now.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 1, 2020 21:12:03 GMT
This observation from a NYT article resonates with me when I think about when and how the arts will rebound. “The psychology won’t just bounce back,” said Charles Dumas, chief economist at TS Lombard, an investment research firm in London. “People have had a real shock. The recovery will be slow, and certain behavior patterns are going to change, if not forever at least for a long while.”
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