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Post by kathryn on May 13, 2016 10:52:52 GMT
Fair points, DuchessConstance, particularly for a new-build. The only question I have is that the Prince of Wales Theatre circle is far steeper, holds more people, yet doesn't generate accidents. I find that interesting. Possibly people who would struggle know to avoid/are told to avoid the circle there, but not the St James's. It might just be because it's new, or possibly it's a bit deceptive and people don't take as much care as they would at the Prince of Wales.
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Post by Deleted on May 31, 2016 15:13:23 GMT
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Post by partytentdown on May 31, 2016 15:17:42 GMT
How does he get time to print all those mugs with his face on?
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Post by Deleted on May 31, 2016 15:31:52 GMT
Blimey, if he can afford to see Broadway shows, multiple, he can definitely afford to drop £20 for his +1 at the NT once in a blue moon.
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Post by Deleted on May 31, 2016 18:18:57 GMT
I can't wait to read his next ground breaking opus What I Did On My Summer Holidays
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Post by Deleted on May 31, 2016 18:21:29 GMT
Yes, I must admit I couldn't really see the point of his latest blog. They might just as well have printed his diary.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 1, 2016 8:30:19 GMT
Oh woe is (insert expletive) him.
I'm so sorry that Shenton is busy in the career he chose, and frankly given the holidays he speaks about and that he affords his London residence isn't exactly paying minimum wage.
More to the point he is doing a job, in a field he (claims) to love. Something many people can't claim to. Meanwhile him, his friends and many others "employ" reviewers to do exactly what he's paid to do for nothing.
Maybe I'm projecting due to my own impending unemployment, but I wouldn't mind Shenton's job for a week if he wants a break...
ETA: I didn't quite finish reading the post in question, as I got bored and doing my actual job was for once more interesting.
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Post by Steffi on Jun 1, 2016 12:12:45 GMT
To me he comes across as wanting to show off with his busy theatrical schedule while making sure everyone knows how exhausting and demanding his job really is. Considering he is making a living with what he loves (theatre), goes on holidays regularly and owns an apartment in New York things really could be worse.
And doesn't he just love to name drop. I'm sorry, but to me he is an attention seeker.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 1, 2016 12:24:25 GMT
Yeah, it's a full-on humble-brag of an article. "YOU THINK MY JOB IS ALL FUN AND GAMES, WELL LOOK HOW EXHAUSTING IT IS *clang* OH SORRY DID I DROP A NAME *clang clang clang* NUTS TO THIS I'M GOING BACK TO NEW YORK FOR A REST (AND SOME MORE SHOWS)".
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Post by bellboard27 on Jun 1, 2016 12:25:57 GMT
I'm sorry, but to me he is an attention seeker. OMG - this thread must be just pandering to his ego!
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Post by Deleted on Jun 1, 2016 12:35:57 GMT
Totally agree Steffi. Total fame whore.
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Post by partytentdown on Jun 1, 2016 13:06:35 GMT
I'm sorry, but to me he is an attention seeker. Nonsense!
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Post by partytentdown on Jun 1, 2016 14:24:35 GMT
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Post by bellboard27 on Jun 1, 2016 14:36:29 GMT
We are all under arrest for bringing the theatreboard into disrepute. It's a fair cop!
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Post by BurlyBeaR on Jun 1, 2016 16:16:17 GMT
Ten days in San Francisco followed by a trip to the doctor. Hmmm
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Post by talkstageytome on Jun 15, 2016 10:03:06 GMT
www.thestage.co.uk/opinion/2016/mark-shenton-weighing-in-on-the-national-theatres-plus-one-controversy/?utm_content=buffer6745c&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=bufferAn interesting read. To be honest I've shared my views on this so many times that I'm tired of it. It's a shame that unsociable hours are a part of the job, but critics aren't the only ones who work late at night. I can see when Mark Shenton is coming from, but if a surgeon working a night shift started asking for a friends to be let into the emergency room with her, they'd be laughed at I'm sure. Theatre criticism is a job with a huge number of perks, and Mr Shenton is in a fortunate enough position to have a steady paid writing job, which is extremely rare. I appreciate that suddenly having your +1 taken away may have come as a shock,but constantly writing tweets and articles about it has already not done any good. I doubt yet another article is going to change anything. And besides, not all shows offer a +1 anyway. Also, having been invited to 'review' a show for my 'blog' (Or as some would see it, invited to share my thoughts on that guy from the james bond films in this weird musical except there wasn't much dancing and the songs were not very happy etc etc. idk I don't even like theatre I'm just doing it for the freebies despite having spent £20 on the train and 3 hours of my life on traveling to and from the theatre... woe is me! ...Come on!) by the National Theatre a few weeks ago, and subsequently receiving positive feedback from them, the constant belittling of 'bloggers' and wannabe critics seems a bit uncalled for. Still, Mr Shenton makes some interesting points. It'll be interesting to see if other theatres follow suit, or whether the National will subsequently reverse its position on the whole thing.
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Post by mallardo on Jun 15, 2016 10:17:19 GMT
I'm impressed that you're on the NT bloggers list, tstm. Well deserved. Your blog is really very good.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 15, 2016 10:41:32 GMT
OMG I can't believe he's still going on about this - no one cares!
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Post by Steffi on Jun 15, 2016 10:45:16 GMT
Will he ever stop moaning and just do his job? I get he is trying to explain his position but he comes across as needy and entitled.
I often can't see my friends on working days because some of them work evenings while I'm on a 9 to 5 job. Doesn't mean I can complain that I can't bring them to work. Working people have to arrange their social life around their job. That's life.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 15, 2016 11:24:43 GMT
Yes - I do appreciate the value of having someone extra there as a sounding board, but really, it is a perk and as such you can't complain too much if it's taken away.
As for unsocial hours and not being able to see friends/family - welcome to lots of other people's worlds! My sister and her partner both have pressured jobs with a hefty commute. They also have children. There are days they only see each other for an hour at the end of the day. They live for the occasional weekend when they both happen to have a weekend off! But you've got to accept that just comes with work sometimes...or else find another job.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 15, 2016 11:46:30 GMT
Indeed! anyone who works shift work will struggle to see family/friends around work, likewise anyone in resturant/pub and theatre jobs! We don't get to take our friends to work why should Shenton?
As an (unpaid!) critic/blogger, I totally agree that it's a lovely thing to sometimes get to take someone with you-but it's not a requriment you are being paid (or not paid!) to give your opinion...something Shenton doesn't seem to have much trouble with.
He was being odious to a blogger on twitter who wrote a piece on the plus-1 debacle, the writer echoed much of what we say here in a polite and reasonable way, of course Shenton was having none of it.
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Post by Polly1 on Jun 15, 2016 12:04:17 GMT
'Not again' was also my first thought but the following sentence made me really angry:
" In my capacity as an awards judge and theatre journalist, I too would put the merit of the show above the perks – but on a margin call, the extra ticket might swing my vote."
More or less admitting that he's open to bribery.
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Post by Nicholas on Jun 15, 2016 12:10:33 GMT
Here’s the thing I really, really, really don’t understand. As you’ve all said, theatre critics aren’t the only ones who work unsociable hours, and anyone in any other night-time profession can’t bring along a buddy. SO MAKE FRIENDS ON THE JOB! It’s not like critics work in isolation. What is so shameful about making friends with each other? That would make it sociable. Film critics clearly talk to each other and make friends. Not making friends with other theatre critics is just stubbornness.
Surely, too (I speak not as a blogger but a relatively regular theatregoer with a severely compromised social life), any starting blogger doesn’t have the excuse of getting paid to go to the theatre or getting their reviews widely published, but still has to say to friends “I can’t come out tonight because in the long run I want to be a theatre critic so have to go using my own free time and own money on my own initiative on my own”. It’s not sociable for bloggers either, Mark! If you want to encourage them, this is it!
I’ve banged on about this enough, so I concede to Michael Billington. He’s always upfront about the pros and cons of criticism, what the medium does wrong and what he could do better, without complaint. If Shenton discussed the matter like this, with humility, taking some blame for himself and appreciating the fortune of his position, we’d respect him far more:
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Post by Deleted on Jun 15, 2016 12:21:06 GMT
I do appreciate the part where Shenton admits it's annoying having to give up the perk because they've got used to having the perk and anyone would be disgruntled about losing something they've had for so long, but the rest of the article? Put on your big boy pants and get ON with it, Mark.
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Post by Steffi on Jun 15, 2016 12:23:22 GMT
Here’s the thing I really, really, really don’t understand. As you’ve all said, theatre critics aren’t the only ones who work unsociable hours, and anyone in any other night-time profession can’t bring along a buddy. SO MAKE FRIENDS ON THE JOB! It’s not like critics work in isolation. What is so shameful about making friends with each other? That would make it sociable. Film critics clearly talk to each other and make friends. Not making friends with other theatre critics is just stubbornness.
Mark Shenton can't make friends with his fellow theatre critics. He's too busy befriending performers so he can drop some more names on Twitter. ;-) Sorry, the man just really, really gets on my nerves.
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