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Post by alece10 on Oct 25, 2017 6:55:17 GMT
agh..Sheridan Smith. I don't understand why England insists on making her a star. I just don't get it. The worse offense was seeing her in Funny Girl, a part that is clearly written for an Ashkenazi Jewess. If this nonsense casting would have happened in New York, New Yorkers would have revolted. And I'm Telling You I'm Not Going? Is this for real? She must be joking. Oh, honey..we need to talk. Why did you bother to go and see it then?
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Post by ali973 on Oct 25, 2017 8:29:24 GMT
Because I see everything and make up my mind. And I didn't know how inappropriate she was until I saw her in it.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2017 8:34:26 GMT
Some of this is turning Ugly.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2017 14:52:18 GMT
Pleased to see that one of the Ugly comments has now been removed.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2017 19:49:55 GMT
I suspect once the album is out, with the success of the Funny Girl tour mainly being down to her casting, she will probably to a large theatre concert tour in the major cities. Which I don't doubt she would sell out on her name alone if it is one night only shows. I'd certainly go, I think she is fabulous!
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Post by ali973 on Oct 25, 2017 20:04:53 GMT
Pleased to see that one of the Ugly comments has now been removed. Ugly doesn't mean untrue.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2017 22:24:54 GMT
I understand if this post also has to be deleted, but with basically 99% of the entire musical theatre canon available to a blonde haired lady on the paler end of the spectrum, it does sit a little funny that she's deemed it fair enough to record And I Am Telling You, which is so famously *not* written for a blonde haired lady on the paler end of the spectrum, especially if you actually consider the show it comes from with particular reference to the song Cadillac Car. Whether it really is a strange decision or not, it's certainly not one I'd ever feel comfortable making for myself, just as I wouldn't feel comfortable recording a cover of Lot's Wife or I Know Where I've Been.
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Post by ali973 on Oct 26, 2017 4:00:40 GMT
Baemax is so much nicer than and more articulate than I am.
The song I Am Telling You I’m Not Going is specifically written for a black female singer- and it’s known to be a signature song for black female artists. As Baemax suggests, the song is contextually bound. The history of white singers and performers appropriating music that is either black owned or known as signature songs for black artists is long and extensive. The song owns much to gospel music singing traditions that are prevalent in black communities. The thought of Sheridan Smith covering this song, with her weak vocals to begin with, will be a poor imitation of the black gospel experience. This is both tasteless and vulgar, and an embarrassing case of white entitlement and needs to be called out.
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Post by alece10 on Oct 26, 2017 7:03:04 GMT
I suspect once the album is out, with the success of the Funny Girl tour mainly being down to her casting, she will probably to a large theatre concert tour in the major cities. Which I don't doubt she would sell out on her name alone if it is one night only shows. I'd certainly go, I think she is fabulous! See my post a few lines up as it looks as if she is doing a RAH concert. Not sure about a tour though on the back of the album as she is working on a new ITV series the next few months.
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Post by alece10 on Oct 26, 2017 7:09:00 GMT
Baemax is so much nicer than and more articulate than I am. The song I Am Telling You I’m Not Going is specifically written for a black female singer- and it’s known to be a signature song for black female artists. As Baemax suggests, the song is contextually bound. The history of white singers and performers appropriating music that is either black owned or known as signature songs for black artists is long and extensive. The song owns much to gospel music singing traditions that are prevalent in black communities. The thought of Sheridan Smith covering this song, with her weak vocals to begin with, will be a poor imitation of the black gospel experience. This is both tasteless and vulgar, and an embarrassing case of white entitlement and needs to be called out. [b Why is the race card being dragged into this? It's a bl**dy song at the end of the day, not a political statement. Anyone can sing whatever they want. Songs were never written only for certain people to sing. That's decrimination in itself. I must stop singing along to The Color Purple in future when im in the bath as I'm the wrong colour apparantly.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 26, 2017 7:44:56 GMT
I... feel like we've literally just explained why the idea of a white person singing a famously black song makes us uncomfortable? Discrimination doesn't exactly cut both ways yet, not while we still live in a society where one skin tone has a clear advantage over other skin tones, and also the point of show tunes is they kinda *were* written for certain people to sing (specific characters, particular voice types, and yes, in some shows, certain skin tones). No one is saying you have to agree with us, but the fact that you don't doesn't automatically render our feelings on the situation null and void.
Also, don't drag bath-time sing-alongs into this, we're talking about recording a song for public consumption. The idea that me humming Ol' Man River to myself as I brush my teeth would be somehow equivalent is a total straw man, and you're smarter than that.
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Post by theatreian on Oct 26, 2017 9:05:03 GMT
I find it really strange that there is so much bad feeling over Sheridan singing a certain song on her album. Surely she is entitled to sing whatever she likes , whether it be a favourite song of hers or one that means something to her. Was Shirley Bassey wrong in singing As long as he needs me from Oliver when this is associated with a white actress? I always hoped that music crossed such boundaries by its nature and these compilation albums by artists cover the whole range of music and musical theatre.
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Post by alece10 on Oct 26, 2017 10:25:30 GMT
KevinUK you have said what I was trying to say but far better than I did. My excuse is I'm in bed with a cold....
At the end of the day I am sure there are plenty of us looking forward to the album coming out in a couple of weeks time and also the TV special. Also the hint of a concert at the RAH
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Post by Deleted on Oct 26, 2017 13:45:34 GMT
Haven't got time to read all this thread and have no interest in musicals either...
Will just say that Smith is on my 'Accepted stray list' that I have with my wife so if she's reading this... ;-)
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Post by Deleted on Oct 26, 2017 14:17:23 GMT
Haven't got time to read all this thread and have no interest in musicals either... Will just say that Smith is on my 'Accepted stray list' that I have with my wife so if she's reading this... ;-) Well don't let us keep you... (You're not george all grown up now, are you?) Anyway, good luck and all that, with the straying. (Not sure how to break this to you really, but... um.. poor Liz died back in 2013...)
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Post by Deleted on Oct 26, 2017 14:33:18 GMT
Haven't got time to read all this thread and have no interest in musicals either... Will just say that Smith is on my 'Accepted stray list' that I have with my wife so if she's reading this... ;-) Well don't let us keep you... (You're not george all grown up now, are you?) Anyway, good luck and all that, with the straying. (Not sure how to break this to you really, but... um.. poor Liz died back in 2013...) Erm, none of that made any sense to me.
Sheridan Smith is still alive and just like Hugh Jackman, David Beckham and, bizarrely, David Duchovny appears on my wife's 'agreed stray list', Miss Smith, if you're reading this, let's talk about going to a Garfunkels together ... ;-)
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Post by theatremadness on Oct 26, 2017 15:24:27 GMT
Will just say that Smith is on my 'Accepted stray list' that I have with my wife so if she's reading this... ;-) I'm sure she's delighted!
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Post by Deleted on Oct 26, 2017 15:34:57 GMT
Never let it be said this board doesn't run the spectrum of discussion....from a detailed debate on the politics of race and song to...well that.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 26, 2017 15:35:38 GMT
Will just say that Smith is on my 'Accepted stray list' that I have with my wife so if she's reading this... ;-) I'm sure she's delighted! Ha ha, I can but only dream!
All jokes - and my fantasies aside - she's a far better actress than some snobs give credit for and one of the best of her generation...
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Post by Deleted on Oct 26, 2017 16:51:21 GMT
Not to bring up the discussion of race again to annoy anyone, just for discussions sake, but And I Am Telling You isn't about race at all in the context of the show, it has no mention of race at all. In the same way Listen doesn't in the same show. These are two big power ballads. Yes originated by black women, but why should it matter who sings them when it doesn't speak about race? Should Whitney not of sung I Will Always Love You because a white woman sang it originally?
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Post by LaLuPone on Oct 26, 2017 17:12:32 GMT
Not to bring up the discussion of race again to annoy anyone, just for discussions sake, but And I Am Telling You isn't about race at all in the context of the show, it has no mention of race at all. In the same way Listen doesn't in the same show. These are two big power ballads. Hes originated by black women, but why should it matter who sings them when it doesn't speak about race? Should Whitney not of sung I Will Always Love You because a white woman sang it originally? This is what I was going to comment. Exactly! When I Know Where I've Been was mentioned earlier I thought yes that's different because it's about the struggle against racism but And I Am Telling You is literally a woman screaming about unrequited love. My comment a few pages back if anyone was wondering was not saying I don't think Sheridan should sing it because she's not allowed I was just worried it wouldn't really fit her voice/the voice of a white woman but after all this I really hope she slays it and proves me wrong!
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Post by Deleted on Oct 26, 2017 17:26:50 GMT
If this song wasn't synonymous with black women, the song itself with its lyrics, no one would bat an eyelid, its ridiculous. Sheridan will jazz it up, its not gonna be like it is in the show. And I can imagine Sheridan's voice suiting a jazz style. I wish some people would give this woman a break, it seems the popular thing these days to drag her down when she is in a good place after a harsh couple of years.
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Post by BurlyBeaR on Oct 26, 2017 20:10:53 GMT
Thankyou George22
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Post by Deleted on Oct 26, 2017 20:17:07 GMT
For an "admin", I expected you to not drag an ex board member's name through the mud and set an example for our younger members on here, but I guess not. And anyone with a brain can see that there is alot of critique for Sheridan, especially on here. I nor ally wouldn't give such a care, but considering her circumstances over the past year, you'd think some would have some respect. Evidently not.
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Post by BurlyBeaR on Oct 26, 2017 20:20:43 GMT
Lol.
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Post by theatrespy on Oct 27, 2017 8:47:22 GMT
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Post by Michael on Oct 27, 2017 9:15:20 GMT
Threads merged.
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Post by alece10 on Oct 27, 2017 10:34:42 GMT
Just pre ordeed the cd and got my code for pre sale tkts
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Post by Deleted on Oct 27, 2017 15:04:21 GMT
Called it, I'm so there!
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Post by vdcni on Oct 27, 2017 15:46:05 GMT
Oh good, a Welsh date - that covers my Dad's Christmas present then!
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