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Post by fiyerorocher on Nov 16, 2021 23:17:46 GMT
Saw the show again last night this time with Georgina as Cinderella who was brilliant. Lots of small changes since I last saw the show. Mostly lines cut to make the show slightly shorter. Many ensemble moments cut too and some line changes including the one where an ensemble tells the Stepsisters Tiara’s aren’t worn is Paris anymore and take it for herself - now Cinderella tells them she read it in a magazine. They respond with “We cant read! Reading is for ugly people!” Also noticed some set changes too. Not sure if this is all they are doing or if there will be bigger changes. what a shame the tiara line didn't make it - I always used to like the fact that the girl who said it wore the tiara to the ball later :') |
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Post by couldileaveyou on Nov 18, 2021 16:26:23 GMT
This is sad! Has anyone seen any audience members leaving when you went?
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Post by fiyerorocher on Nov 18, 2021 16:36:08 GMT
I've thankfully never seen this happen so it's definitely not a nightly thing. I can't even imagine the kind of person who would walk out just because of some queer representation. I know it must be awful to experience in the moment as the person playing that part, but honestly the show, and theatre in general, is better off with those people out of the building.
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Post by mattnyc on Nov 18, 2021 16:47:46 GMT
I’ve seen the show 5x and every single time I hold my breath at that point, praying the reaction will be respectful. Luckily, each time I’ve been there it’s been instant applause and “awww”-ing and it makes me very happy. So sad to hear that’s not how it is every show.  |
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Post by inthenose on Nov 18, 2021 18:24:19 GMT
People can and will react however they like. Much as you'd like to, you can't control people's feelings. Winning hearts and minds is the answer, not "writing off" huge sections of society because they don't share your (our, incidentally) liberal world view.
I've seen lots of guttural reactions in plays and musicals that touch on issues, the finale of Oleanna which varied from gasps of shock and horror to actual applause, with the same cast at different performances. The most common reaction to the dramatic moment in the finale of Blood Brothers has always been laughter.
Maybe the show badly signposted the "twist", which was there just for the sake of it? It's not like it changes anything in the story whatsoever.
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Post by fiyerorocher on Nov 18, 2021 18:52:42 GMT
I personally don't think homophobes have any place in the theatre community. It's not really just a difference of opinion when it comes to that 'world view'. It must be really demoralising for all the queer members of the cast to see themselves disrespected so blatantly.
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Post by marob on Nov 18, 2021 19:21:55 GMT
Sad to read this. Also slightly puzzled as the two hours before that is camp as f***
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Post by ceebee on Nov 18, 2021 19:42:32 GMT
I've seen this show so many times and each time people have loved the big entrance. It's better now he has ditched the wig though, which was a distraction. I have a simple view of the world, where I wish folk could just live and let live. I hope he can focus on all the positives and not let bigotry blight his performance.
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Post by steve10086 on Nov 18, 2021 20:58:52 GMT
People can and will react however they like. Much as you'd like to, you can't control people's feelings. Winning hearts and minds is the answer, not "writing off" huge sections of society because they don't share your (our, incidentally) liberal world view. No, just… no. Not for a second. |
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Post by David J on Nov 18, 2021 21:03:35 GMT
Question: how does he know they left because they were against his entrance?
We’re they complaining to the staff and they passed it on to him?
They could have had to leave to get the train and it was bad timing. It happens
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Post by LaLuPone on Nov 18, 2021 21:05:23 GMT
Question: how does he know they left because they were against his entrance? We’re they complaining to the staff and they passed it on to him? They could have had to leave to get the train and it was bad timing. It happens Possibly but when you’ve been discriminated against or picked on your whole life just for being yourself, there will come a point where you just assume, I’m sure a lot of us can relate to that. |
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Post by fiyerorocher on Nov 18, 2021 21:07:04 GMT
I've seen this show so many times and each time people have loved the big entrance. It's better now he has ditched the wig though, which was a distraction. I have a simple view of the world, where I wish folk could just live and let live. I hope he can focus on all the positives and not let bigotry blight his performance. Oh god that wig... It was truly awful :') I'm also very glad they got rid of it. |
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Post by inthenose on Nov 18, 2021 22:29:59 GMT
Maybe they just didn't like the show?
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Post by BurlyBeaR on Nov 18, 2021 22:53:17 GMT
Gala night is all but sold out I see. Monday is a Georgina performance day though isn’t it?
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Post by amp09 on Nov 18, 2021 22:56:59 GMT
It sounds like the person he claims is being homophobic may have needed the toilet or to leave to catch a train. Wish he’d have explained the situation better, as at the moment it sounds like he’s taking things a bit too personally and made presumptions.
As a gay man, I didn’t cheer or ‘awww’ at his entrance - that doesn’t make me a homophobe. I simply found this particular moment underwhelming and felt it added nothing to the story - almost a tick box exercise.
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Post by marob on Nov 18, 2021 23:29:27 GMT
About the wig: the concept art in the album looks like David Bowie’s wig in Labyrinth, but bigger, and with a massive hat. What was it actually like?
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Post by fiyerorocher on Nov 19, 2021 0:38:33 GMT
About the wig: the concept art in the album looks like David Bowie’s wig in Labyrinth, but bigger, and with a massive hat. What was it actually like? Just long and blond. No hat, no real volume to the hair. Felt like they were going for a sort of romance cover flowing locks kind of look, but it was just not a good wig |
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Post by fiyerorocher on Nov 19, 2021 0:41:36 GMT
It sounds like the person he claims is being homophobic may have needed the toilet or to leave to catch a train. Wish he’d have explained the situation better, as at the moment it sounds like he’s taking things a bit too personally and made presumptions. As a gay man, I didn’t cheer or ‘awww’ at his entrance - that doesn’t make me a homophobe. I simply found this particular moment underwhelming and felt it added nothing to the story - almost a tick box exercise. For all we know the person who left gathered up their entire group and left while throwing him dirty looks. I presume it's possible to tell the difference between someone covertly trying to slip out for a reason outside of their control vs someone storming out in protest. Since one can't judge the situation either way, not having been there, I'm inclined to take his word for it. He certainly knows what happened far better than we do. |
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Post by amp09 on Nov 19, 2021 0:52:26 GMT
It sounds like the person he claims is being homophobic may have needed the toilet or to leave to catch a train. Wish he’d have explained the situation better, as at the moment it sounds like he’s taking things a bit too personally and made presumptions. As a gay man, I didn’t cheer or ‘awww’ at his entrance - that doesn’t make me a homophobe. I simply found this particular moment underwhelming and felt it added nothing to the story - almost a tick box exercise. For all we know the person who left gathered up their entire group and left while throwing him dirty looks. I presume it's possible to tell the difference between someone covertly trying to slip out for a reason outside of their control vs someone storming out in protest. Since one can't judge the situation either way, not having been there, I'm inclined to take his word for it. He certainly knows what happened far better than we do. He certainly does know better than us, and I wish he’d explain it more if he’s going to make such sweeping statements. That person who you suggest may have stood up and stormed out in protest could have also done so because they thought the plot was ridiculous/nothing new/seen it coming all along and that was the final straw/felt they couldn’t watch anymore. I don’t condone homophobia at all, however, he may have made presumptions as to the reason this person left as I doubt he stopped the show to ask them why they were leaving. |
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Post by fiyerorocher on Nov 19, 2021 1:15:22 GMT
For all we know the person who left gathered up their entire group and left while throwing him dirty looks. I presume it's possible to tell the difference between someone covertly trying to slip out for a reason outside of their control vs someone storming out in protest. Since one can't judge the situation either way, not having been there, I'm inclined to take his word for it. He certainly knows what happened far better than we do. He certainly does know better than us, and I wish he’d explain it more if he’s going to make such sweeping statements. That person who you suggest may have stood up and stormed out in protest could have also done so because they thought the plot was ridiculous/nothing new/seen it coming all along and that was the final straw/felt they couldn’t watch anymore. I don’t condone homophobia at all, however, he may have made presumptions as to the reason this person left as I doubt he stopped the show to ask them why they were leaving. I'd certainly have questions for anyone who sat through the entire two hours up until that point but at that very specific moment decided that was enough, to be honest. Prince Charming being alive? Sure, I get that. It was obviously always going to happen. By all means, walk out then. But exactly the moment a gay character is introduced, when the attention is on the auditorium so everyone will notice you leave? Personally if it was me, I'd give it a few minutes so every knew I wasn't actually a homophobic bigot :') |
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Post by dm913 on Nov 19, 2021 3:01:46 GMT
This is sad! Has anyone seen any audience members leaving when you went? Yes, I have unfortunately seen this happen. A mother on the other side of circle hastily gathered her companion and children after his entrance and left during Marry For Love. To me it seemed pretty clear it was a reaction to what was happening on stage. |
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Post by mattnyc on Nov 19, 2021 4:56:31 GMT
It’s funny that the homoeroticism of half naked men singing about being “Men’s Men” doesn’t give them ANY clue. lol
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Post by anita on Nov 19, 2021 12:08:03 GMT
I loved the wig. - Rather like the elves in "Lord of the Rings".
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Post by max on Nov 19, 2021 20:38:27 GMT
Just went over to the My Night With Reg thread, and found that the body shaming on there got deleted by mods. Good. Perhaps the same here for a comment earlier today would be to the greater good.
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Post by critchyboy on Nov 19, 2021 23:15:14 GMT
Saw the show this evening - 20 minutes late going up due to a technical fault. Some good tunes, some good moments but mostly a mess.
Ticked off the list now anyhow!!
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