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Post by Phantom of London on Feb 22, 2018 19:17:41 GMT
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Post by Jon on Feb 23, 2018 0:56:47 GMT
I imagine it'll be approved since they're replacing the Ambassadors with a new theatre.
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Post by loureviews on Feb 23, 2018 7:43:04 GMT
The theatre is beautiful, listed and has a lot of history behind it. And once you allow one demolition ...
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Post by Jon on Feb 23, 2018 16:35:48 GMT
It's a really hard problem. On the one hand, it's an historic venue and the interior could be made to look beautiful again, and provide a home for plays like "Beginning" which few other theatres could house. On the other hand, the circle is uncomfortable to say the least, and the stalls have a weird rake. The foyers are crowded and the toilet facilities antique. Given that the Lyric Hammersmith, for example, had its interior preserved wrapped inside a modern building, that may present a possibility - and I think if the plans were as he stated a while back, it bears thinking about. Personally, though, I'd rather the place was simply re-decorated and reorganised a little, rather than demolished. Good point but I trust Cameron Mackintosh will make the Sondheim just as beautiful if not more so than it was before, you look at the Prince of Wales which doesn't look anything like it was before it was refurbished and I say what he did there was very beneficial. A good example of a modern theatre which retained its facade but is completely new on the inside is the Stephen Sondheim Theatre on Broadway, the original Henry Miller's Theatre was too far gone to save when they were building the Bank of America Tower and the new theatre manages to retain some of its original features.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 23, 2018 18:25:36 GMT
Is there any chance we can change this thread title to Ambassadors Theatre? (No apologies whatsoever for being pedantic, but on a chat forum dedicated to... theatre, we should at least get its name right!)
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Post by martin1965 on Feb 23, 2018 18:49:29 GMT
Let him get on with it! Please god theres no public enquiry. Its still going to be a theatre just one fit for the 21st century.
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Post by Rory on Feb 23, 2018 18:57:58 GMT
Oh God a public enquiry would go on for ever! Nightmare!
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Post by Jon on Feb 23, 2018 19:12:04 GMT
There's only one group that's opposed to it and that's the Victorian Society, everyone else has backed it and Camden Council has agreed to it with some proposals
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Post by Deleted on Feb 23, 2018 20:29:49 GMT
Thank you.
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Post by Rory on Feb 27, 2018 23:47:34 GMT
I see from an article in The Stage that Camden Council's Planning Committee has given, on 22nd Feb, the green light to Cameron Mackintosh to develop the Ambassadors into the Sondheim, a studio theatre for subsidised shows. This is subject to a decision as to whether Sajid Javid should determine the issue due, as I understand it,to an objection lodged by the Victorian Society.
There is a restriction to the granting of the planning permission however which has baffled me slightly. It limits commercial productions to a maximum of 16 weeks per year. Presumably the rest of the productions (if not all in any event) must originate from a subsidised theatre in London or the regions. My question is: will these subsidised transfers not be classed as commercial transfers because presumably they will be brought to the West End by commercial producers?
I hope that makes sense!
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Post by Jon on Feb 28, 2018 3:36:42 GMT
I see from an article in The Stage that Camden Council's Planning Committee has given, on 22nd Feb, the green light to Cameron Mackintosh to develop the Ambassadors into the Sondheim, a studio theatre for subsidised shows. This is subject to a decision as to whether Sajid Javid should determine the issue due, as I understand it,to an objection lodged by the Victorian Society. There is a restriction to the granting of the planning permission however which has baffled me slightly. It limits commercial productions to a maximum of 16 weeks per year. Presumably the rest of the productions (if not all in any event) must originate from a subsidised theatre in London or the regions. My question is: will these subsidised transfers not be classed as commercial transfers because presumably they will be brought to the West End by commercial producers? I hope that makes sense! I believe Cameron himself stated that the maximum a transfer from the subsidised sector could run at the Sondheim is 16 weeks when he was proposing the Sondheim as it'll mean a variety of shows rather than a single long runner so essentially it's Camden Council making sure Delfont Mackintosh uphelds this promise.
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Post by Rory on Feb 28, 2018 6:19:03 GMT
I don't get the sense that the legal restriction placed is that each show lasts no more than 16 weeks. I know that's what Delfont Mackintosh's plan is anyway. It was that no more than 16 weeks of the year should be allocated to commercial productions. My query is that surely ALL the productions will be commercial West End productions, albeit most if not all originating from the subsidised sector.
I just wondered if it meant that the shows filling the other weeks of the year MUST come from subsidised theatres, in other words only one production produced soley for the WE and not transferred from the subsidised sector could be mounted eg like current productions of Frozen and The Birthday Party opening directly in the West End.
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Post by Rory on Feb 28, 2018 6:29:15 GMT
The other thing the article said was that building work wouldn't start for a few years and that productions would continue to be booked into the existing theatre for the foreseeable.
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Post by TallPaul on Feb 28, 2018 11:27:10 GMT
There is a restriction to the granting of the planning permission however which has baffled me slightly. It limits commercial productions to a maximum of 16 weeks per year. Because I am sad and have no life, I have read all 112 pages of the Planning Officer's report. As with most things, it is all in the wording: "- In any five consecutive calendar years the total length of Production Runs created or originated other than by a Subsidised Theatre Company shall not exceed 50 weeks without the written consent of the Council - In any one year the total length of individual Production Runs shall not exceed 16 weeks without the written consent of the Council." Of course, as with any planning condition, enforcement depends on officer vigilance and the Council committing the resources. The other thing the article said was that building work wouldn't start for a few years Selfishly, I'm quite pleased about that, as I'd like to make one final visit. The one and only time I have seen a John Godber play in London's glittering West End was at the Ambassadors. He was in the audience.
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Post by Phantom of London on Mar 2, 2018 9:53:56 GMT
Oh you have to even get planning permission from the council to put the show on!!!
I agree with Camden's decision although the Ambassadors Theatre is beautiful, there are lots of other theatres like it and being in the 21st century having a theatre that cannot house chair users and no WC available is unacceptable.
If anyone out of the main theatre operators were to do restoration then Cameroon Mackintosh is the best choice, as he the most opulent with his estate.
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Post by n1david on Oct 24, 2018 7:52:50 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2018 7:57:13 GMT
Hope he does something as it's a right old dump at the moment!
This bit is a surprise to me ...
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Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2018 7:58:08 GMT
I'd be very interested to know the finances on the Victoria Palace. With Hamilton ticket prices being what they are and the show still selling extremely well, how long before the Palace has paid for itself? And it's not like he doesn't have a few other reliable money-makers under his belt, refurbing the Ambassadors must be extremely costly if Hamilton, Les Mis, and Mormon can't eventually cover both the work and the loss-making productions the theatre would house. EDIT: oh, and the purchase of the theatre. Yeah, it does sound *extremely* costly tbh.....
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Post by kathryn on Oct 24, 2018 10:05:35 GMT
I'd be very interested to know the finances on the Victoria Palace. With Hamilton ticket prices being what they are and the show still selling extremely well, how long before the Palace has paid for itself? And it's not like he doesn't have a few other reliable money-makers under his belt, refurbing the Ambassadors must be extremely costly if Hamilton, Les Mis, and Mormon can't eventually cover both the work and the loss-making productions the theatre would house. EDIT: oh, and the purchase of the theatre. Yeah, it does sound *extremely* costly tbh..... And at the end of the day it's a business, not a charity, isn't it? Presumably Cam Mac wants to continue to be profitable and not just cover his costs. This is not going to be a profitable theatre in itself - though obviously there are wider benefits.
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Post by Jon on Oct 24, 2018 14:10:05 GMT
The Ambassadors/Sondheim is more complex than the VP because it’s creating a new theatre inside an existing building rather than a refurb.
Cameron is very optimistic if he thinks it can be done by 2020, given the VP took a lot longer
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Post by jaqs on Oct 24, 2018 14:17:25 GMT
Wonder if the fact he is suddenly facing repair bills for all his other theatres isn't helping either. If it isn't that, then I'm officially s**ting myself about the state of the national economy, when one of the richest men in the country admits he may not be able to afford to get the builders in... Post brexit will there be any builders to get in?
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Post by learfan on Oct 24, 2018 16:08:38 GMT
Hope he does something as it's a right old dump at the moment! This bit is a surprise to me ... Yes me too, i was under the impression CM had already bought it. As it turns out he hasnt so there is no way any new theatre will be open for Spring 2020.
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Post by Rory on Nov 8, 2018 15:18:22 GMT
It's all off, sadly.
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Post by Jon on Nov 8, 2018 15:26:37 GMT
Wonder who’s bid for it?
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Post by TallPaul on Nov 8, 2018 15:27:33 GMT
After all that effort and struggle to get it through planning too.
I wonder if it's the billionaire new owner of the TRH, looking for another trophy asset?
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