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Post by Dawnstar on Apr 14, 2020 12:39:08 GMT
I’ve been fine since lockdown started, much better than before that when my anxiety and blood pressure were through the roof. Last few days though, with all these people talking about exit strategies and ‘getting back to normal’ it’s all kicking off again. Then, I put the radio or TV on and the media keep going on about ending it and I’m literally screaming at them telling them that it isn’t safe! I don’t know if they realise how much they are effecting people’s mental health with all this talk. I feel the same. I can't believe some people want the lockdown ended soon when hundreds of people are dying every day. I intend to keep locking down for some time after it is offically ended anyway, as it sounds highly likely that there will be at least a second wave of infections if not multiple ones.
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Post by Someone in a tree on Apr 14, 2020 13:26:05 GMT
Those photos of an empty London are really good, someone in a tree. Much in demand I expect for history books, posters etc in the future. I would love to walk through the centre of London now but I am too far away to walk it comfortably. I make do with the roads around my home, checking the front gardens, avoiding the very few people doing the same. Why thank you. Walking around Hackney (my home address) and Southwark (work) requires much effort in avoiding people. Yesterday I spotted very few people in Central London. It was a bizarre and unique experience and one that I will never forget.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 14, 2020 14:04:48 GMT
More garden clearing up. Trying to dig up weeds underneath my apple tree I struck some sort of hard and unyielding surface. There's a part of me desperately hoping that, living just off a Roman road as I do, I've discovered a previously unknown villa that will revolutionise our understanding of second-century Britain, but realistically I've probably discovered some previously unknown late twentieth century concrete.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 14, 2020 14:16:02 GMT
I’ve been fine since lockdown started, much better than before that when my anxiety and blood pressure were through the roof. Last few days though, with all these people talking about exit strategies and ‘getting back to normal’ it’s all kicking off again. Then, I put the radio or TV on and the media keep going on about ending it and I’m literally screaming at them telling them that it isn’t safe! I don’t know if they realise how much they are effecting people’s mental health with all this talk. I feel the same. I can't believe some people want the lockdown ended soon when hundreds of people are dying every day. I intend to keep locking down for some time after it is offically ended anyway, as it sounds highly likely that there will be at least a second wave of infections if not multiple ones. I don't want it to be ended "soon" - I don't see any sense in ending it until after both May bank holiday weekends at the earliest. But nor do I want it to continue for any longer than it has to - it may be blunt to say it, but this virus is not the only thing that kills people (a friend of mine died from cancer at a young age just last weekend) and there needs to be a point where we stop treating it like it is. The lockdown is to ease the strain on the NHS and flatten the peak, not to eradicate the disease as that will inevitably take time, as it has done with any disease in history. Life is too short, I want to live it and once the pressure on the NHS has eased I will happily personally take the risk of getting coronavirus or any one of countless other diseases if it means I can actually live in the time I have rather than be cooped up in fear of something I can't control and could get at any time no matter how careful or otherwise well I am. I am not in a situation where I could give anything contagious to someone vulnerable, so it should ultimately be my choice to take the risk.
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Post by Forrest on Apr 14, 2020 15:27:48 GMT
There's this fantastic quote from an old interview with Prasanna Puwanarajah that I thought about this morning, while I was having my morning coffee with headphones on, trying to disguise the noise of drilling concrete that the construction workers outside my window were making:
'Claiming the right to be “you” in your own story is what everyone with a set of headphones is doing as they swagger down the street to their favourite tunes. It’s the best part of my day, for sure.'
And I realized that that was exactly what I've been missing! So I took my headphones, wore my new Porcupine Tree T-shirt that I have not yet worn anywhere (I'm a sucker for band T-shirts, despite my age), told myself I look decent enough without make-up (ahem...) and set out on a walk. I walked to work/Aldwych, then to Covent Garden, to Tottenham Court Road, and then to Upper Street and back home. It added up to a little over 10km. I so missed that!
Just got home and am properly starving, so will go make some food. But I genuinely think that I miss walking around with headphones more than anything else during this lockdown (OK, theatre excluded, of course).
It was actually kind of lovely: the area around Covent Garden was a bit of a ghost town, but the people I met along the way kept their distance and smiled in recognition of the fact that we were in this strange situation together. There was an oddly comforting feeling of friendliness in the air.
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Post by Dawnstar on Apr 14, 2020 17:33:35 GMT
Life is too short, I want to live it and once the pressure on the NHS has eased I will happily personally take the risk of getting coronavirus or any one of countless other diseases if it means I can actually live in the time I have rather than be cooped up in fear of something I can't control and could get at any time no matter how careful or otherwise well I am. I am not in a situation where I could give anything contagious to someone vulnerable, so it should ultimately be my choice to take the risk. I'm not sure we yet know enough about the disease to identify everyone who is vulnerable though. Quite a few of the people who have died didn't have any known health conditions that made them obviously vulnerable. So how can we tell that we haven't accidentally passed it on to someone who may die of it unless we avoid all people as much as possible?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 14, 2020 18:37:35 GMT
Life is too short, I want to live it and once the pressure on the NHS has eased I will happily personally take the risk of getting coronavirus or any one of countless other diseases if it means I can actually live in the time I have rather than be cooped up in fear of something I can't control and could get at any time no matter how careful or otherwise well I am. I am not in a situation where I could give anything contagious to someone vulnerable, so it should ultimately be my choice to take the risk. I'm not sure we yet know enough about the disease to identify everyone who is vulnerable though. Quite a few of the people who have died didn't have any known health conditions that made them obviously vulnerable. So how can we tell that we haven't accidentally passed it on to someone who may die of it unless we avoid all people as much as possible? Well I don't live with anyone else and aside from people I happen to see from a distance when grocery shopping or exercising I haven't seen a soul in weeks. People who live with anyone else don't have that problem, and I am just not going to do that indefinitely, it isn't sustainable for my mental health among other things. Frankly everyone is probably vulnerable to something or other, so there has to come a point when it is treated like any other illness and people have to assess their own risk level while the world starts to get back to normal. For starters, many people (me included) have had treatment for other health conditions put on hold while this current crisis unfolds. That cannot continue. We can only put coronavirus first for so long, life eventually has to move on. If you want to keep away from others that will then be your prerogative, but if people want to get back to relative normality then at some point in the next few months they should also be given that option.
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Post by jaqs on Apr 14, 2020 18:45:37 GMT
I went for groceries today, the tube was much busier than last time, not normal busy but had to be more careful choosing a carriage. Anyway had a very chatty checkout woman and realised it was the first conversation I’ve had with a real person in nearly 4 weeks.
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Post by londonpostie on Apr 14, 2020 19:39:04 GMT
I've been wading through the most dreadful e-learning courses, and breaking those up with a little judicious Twitter pruning (never mind actually living with people .. ). Not yet over but it will be. Good day for admin generally. Hoping for an outdoorsy day tomorrow - didn't that red sky look promising tonight!
Did anyone see Into the Forest ... asking for a friend
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Post by Dawnstar on Apr 14, 2020 21:30:09 GMT
We can only put coronavirus first for so long, life eventually has to move on. If you want to keep away from others that will then be your prerogative, but if people want to get back to relative normality then at some point in the next few months they should also be given that option. I'm going to continue to keep away from people. If others want to risk getting it then that's fine for them (though possibly not so fine for the NHS workers that then may have to take care of them).
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Post by Mark on Apr 16, 2020 6:52:33 GMT
Here’s a bit of history! http://instagram.com/p/B_AngKajZva Lots of very grateful people heading home! Luckily for me plenty of downtime on the flights (about 30 hours total on the plane the past two days) and I managed 4 movies - Ad Astra, Detective Pikachu, Jumanji Next Level and Joker!
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Post by Forrest on Apr 16, 2020 8:28:36 GMT
Well done, Mark! Also, loving the 'balancing out' of the films, 'Joker' and then 'Pikachu' and all that... :) What did you think of 'Joker'?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 16, 2020 8:37:33 GMT
Had a walk up to the South Bank and back at the weekend and, even though it's sad to see the all the cultural institutions closed, it was nice to be there and kind of reassuring to know that they still exist.
One thing about longer walks though is - where do you wee now the pubs aren't open?? My current strategy is to properly dehydrate before I go out so it doesn't become a major issue!
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Post by Mark on Apr 16, 2020 9:03:14 GMT
Well done, Mark! Also, loving the 'balancing out' of the films, 'Joker' and then 'Pikachu' and all that... What did you think of 'Joker'? It was fab! Very dark, just what I needed before heading off for my sleep 😂. Not what I expected but enjoyed it a lot.
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Post by londonpostie on Apr 16, 2020 9:13:55 GMT
One thing about longer walks though is - where do you wee now the pubs aren't open?? My current strategy is to properly dehydrate before I go out so it doesn't become a major issue! This has been a living nightmare for posties and delivery drivers, men and women.
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Post by alece10 on Apr 16, 2020 9:23:38 GMT
I think Covid 19 has gone to my brain. Working from home today and listening to music in the background. Pop music!!!! Last time I listened to pop music was back in the 70s. So I'm trying a bit of George Ezra who seems to have a nice voice. Probably wont last the whole album before I move back to musical theatre. But hey, changing times and all that.
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Post by showgirl on Apr 16, 2020 11:42:03 GMT
One thing about longer walks though is - where do you wee now the pubs aren't open?? My current strategy is to properly dehydrate before I go out so it doesn't become a major issue! A nightmare when I'm out walking in the countryside, too, as though I'm clearly used to having no access to proper facilities for hours, I know where all the toilets are and can usually plan to include one or two on a walk; at worst there are sometimes station loos on my return trip. Now ALL the public toilets have closed, which is bizarre and counter-intuitive, given that cleansing staff have protective gear anyway and that more people are now resorting to permitted exercise outdoors to stay healthy and because gyms and pools are shut. But there is literally nowhere to go! Supermarket toilets are still open but you have to queue as if to shop, so not an option unless you wish to wait up to an hour.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 17, 2020 15:37:16 GMT
We rarely have a good day in America given our President's nonstop Tweeting, lying, and incompetence. Today has not been an exception.
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Post by londonpostie on Apr 17, 2020 16:21:34 GMT
I find myself almost anxiety-free about the virus and increasingly anxious about the prospect of returning to abnormal - very keen for this opportunity for real change to not be lost. It's obv. unrealistic but I don't want hundreds of planes flying over London every day- it's like a perpetual act of social vandalism in the name of *growth* or something. Maybe the media ridiculed 'Boris Island' was the sanest political idea of the lot.
In the name of God we have to start limiting international tourists.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 17, 2020 16:51:29 GMT
In the name of God we have to start limiting international tourists. I couldn't disagree more. If we limit international tourists coming in then we limit our own opportunities to go elsewhere, which would be unbearable, as well as limiting economic recovery. If people want to stay in the UK and not travel that is their prerogative, but it doesn't give them a right to put the same limitations on others. The only rationale for limiting tourism is in spots of really outstanding natural beauty or importance, like the Galapagos Islands or Machu Picchu. London and the surrounding area are neither of those things. As the fact we are having to fly fruit and veg pickers in from eastern Europe shows, we shouldn't be limiting migration (which is part of travel) in the way the government intends either, as there simply aren't enough native Brits willing to do those sorts of jobs. But that's a whole other issue and conversation.
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Post by londonpostie on Apr 17, 2020 17:32:50 GMT
Are you the guy who was abusive to me and very weird before?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 17, 2020 18:07:09 GMT
Are you the guy who was abusive to me and very weird before? I'm not a guy. And I'm just stating a contrary opinion so not sure why you are getting so defensive. If you post something on a forum then surely it is for the purpose of discussion and debate?
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Post by NeilVHughes on Apr 17, 2020 18:36:59 GMT
In the future the true cost of International travel will need to be considered.
At the moment it is ridiculously cheap mainly due to there being no excise duty on aviation fuel, when we drive we pay duty which supports the infrastructure and environmental impact. (In theory)
Last year went to Edinburgh to see Local Hero, Train ~£200, Driving ~£300 (not including running costs) and flying £90.
If we pay the true cost International travel will naturally reduce, it is a difficult proposition as it will impact the poorest part of the population but this is true for all sectors and in reality are unlikely to be the ones to be flying off for weekend breaks, multiple annual holidays and unnecessary business trips.
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Post by londonpostie on Apr 17, 2020 19:02:44 GMT
Are you the guy who was abusive to me and very weird before? And I'm just stating a contrary opinion so not sure why you are getting so defensive. If you post something on a forum then surely it is for the purpose of discussion and debate? Nothing aggressive, just confirming I had the right person. You were aggressive - unpleasant and aggressive, in fact.
I don’t think we will be engaging again.
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Post by londonpostie on Apr 17, 2020 19:05:30 GMT
In the future the true cost of International travel will need to be considered. Indeed. No duty on fuel still. Huge entitlement about subsidies.
Not only air travel I think, all road transport as well
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