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Post by Coated on Jan 27, 2017 19:09:43 GMT
As much as I love Rory I'm unsure he'll shine in this particular part (judging by the bit they filmed for RSC's Shakespeare 400 last year) though I think AM Duff was born to play Lady M, she was perfect! Fully agree. Kinnear will play Kinnear, Duff will be the most fear-and-awesome Lady M. bit torn on whether I should book for Duff, or let it slide to save myself from sitting through another Kinnear. |
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Post by lynette on Jan 27, 2017 21:56:10 GMT
So so bored of the NT continually using Kinnear and Duff.. there are other actors out there aren't there? It's like years of Simon Russell Beale all over again. Well that's a bit short term; one of the joys of theatre going is seeing actors and 'creatives' developing and taking on new, often older roles. One of the sorrows is seeing young actors having to go to tv or movies to make a living and so never get to the mature parts like Macbeth. (Nice if they can combine stage and other work of course.) I saw Mr Kinnear in his early days and take great pleasure in seeing his performances now. Same with other actors like Roger Allam and Helen McCrory both of whom I've been following for a while now. Yes, do bring on new talent but also allow our best to fulfil their potential. |
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Post by Phantom of London on Jan 27, 2017 23:10:04 GMT
By today's announcement David Hare must feel put out.
Also no announcement of Oslo coming over.
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Post by Jon on Jan 27, 2017 23:59:26 GMT
By today's announcement David Hare must feel put out. Also no announcement of Oslo coming over. I imagine they'll want to see how it fares on Broadway first. I imagine it won't until mid 2018 anyway if it does go to the National. |
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Post by bordeaux on Jan 28, 2017 12:00:51 GMT
By today's announcement David Hare must feel put out. Also no announcement of Oslo coming over. I'd not heard of Oslo, so thanks for that heads-up. Would be great to see Jennifer Ehle on London stage again. Not sure I understand the David Hare reference? Why should he feel put out? |
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Post by Phantom of London on Jan 28, 2017 13:29:16 GMT
Oh I am just kidding with Dvid Hare with so much of his stuff put on in the National, it seems he makes every artistic announcement,
I heard a while ago that the National are interested in bringing Oslo over, so could come over to the National eventually or go direct into a West End house or not come over all together, time will tell.
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Post by bordeaux on Jan 28, 2017 21:50:36 GMT
Oh I am just kidding with Dvid Hare with so much of his stuff put on in the National, it seems he makes every artistic announcement, I heard a while ago that the National are interested in bringing Oslo over, so could come over to the National eventually or go direct into a West End house or not come over all together, time will tell. I know what you mean, but given that he's just done two somewhat below-par adaptations for the National, he can't complain. Though it's been a while since he created characters I had any interest in (Skylight, perhaps). His best work in recent years has been the stuff based on interviews/research - The Permanent Way and Stuff Happens. |
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Post by martin1965 on Jan 29, 2017 12:58:23 GMT
Common is the only thing in new brochure that interests, well apart from Angels which i have already booked for. I will go to Follies which should be amazing. Bit worrying that, with AIA, Follies and the uocoming Network and Pinnochio the National could be renamed 'Broadway on Thames'. Network certainly seems like a pre broadway tryout!
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Post by Jan on Jan 29, 2017 13:41:41 GMT
Common is the only thing in new brochure that interests, well apart from Angels which i have already booked for. I will go to Follies which should be amazing. Bit worrying that, with AIA, Follies and the uocoming Network and Pinnochio the National could be renamed 'Broadway on Thames'. Network certainly seems like a pre broadway tryout! Yes they are in thrall to USA. Casting a minor (based on viewing figures in U.K.) USA TV star in Network is poor - they could have cast a UK actor, in the film it wasn't a USA actor. In Peter Hall's day he was absolutely slated for staging the Broadway try-out Jean Seberg especially when it turned out to be no good. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2017 13:46:27 GMT
And the new productions announced for the Lyttelton in 2017 by the National Theatre of Great Britain are all American plays and adaptations of American source material:
Ugly Lies the Bone
Angels in America: Millennium Approaches
Angels in America: Perestroika
Network
Pinocchio
And the year began with continuing performances of the remounted New York production of Hedda Gabler.
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Post by Jan on Jan 29, 2017 13:54:43 GMT
And the new productions announced for the Lyttelton in 2017 by the National Theatre of Great Britain are all American plays and adaptations of American source material: Ugly Lies the Bone Angels in America: Millennium Approaches Angels in America: Perestroika Network Pinocchio And the year began with continuing performances of the remounted New York production of Hedda Gabler. At least Red Barn was only SET in America. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2017 14:42:28 GMT
Common is the only thing in new brochure that interests, well apart from Angels which i have already booked for. I will go to Follies which should be amazing. Bit worrying that, with AIA, Follies and the uocoming Network and Pinnochio the National could be renamed 'Broadway on Thames'. Network certainly seems like a pre broadway tryout! Yes they are in thrall to USA. Casting a minor (based on viewing figures in U.K.) USA TV star in Network is poor - they could have cast a UK actor, in the film it wasn't a USA actor. In Peter Hall's day he was absolutely slated for staging the Broadway try-out Jean Seberg especially when it turned out to be no good. breaking bad, minor? it has a big following here. You can't go on regular viewing figures, people watched it via streaming, illegal downloads, dvds etc |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2017 14:58:22 GMT
breaking bad, minor? it has a big following here. You can't go on regular viewing figures, people watched it via streaming, illegal downloads, dvds etc Yes, the NT seems to be part of a bubble for whom Broadway and Netflix are at the centre of the cultural universe. But this is quite alien to most of the rest of us. And it seems ridiculous for the NT to be so obsessed with presenting this bubble of US culture when it is supposed to be the national theatre. Even though it's really a London theatre, and not national in many ways, and I accept that this American culture is apparently far more important to metropolitan people, it still seems to me that a national theatre should properly pay court to America far less than it does, relative to its attention to the rest of the world and to this country. |
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Post by Jan on Jan 29, 2017 15:34:52 GMT
Yes they are in thrall to USA. Casting a minor (based on viewing figures in U.K.) USA TV star in Network is poor - they could have cast a UK actor, in the film it wasn't a USA actor. In Peter Hall's day he was absolutely slated for staging the Broadway try-out Jean Seberg especially when it turned out to be no good. breaking bad, minor? it has a big following here. You can't go on regular viewing figures, people watched it via streaming, illegal downloads, dvds etc Yep, minor. The regular viewing figure were so low they barely registered. It has really ONLY been seen on Netflix (who don't release viewing figures but you can assume a lowish percentage of their subscriber base). It appeals to quite a limited demographic but they're the ones who write about it in the media so it and similar shows (like Mad Men) get disproportionate coverage which make them seem more popular than they are. Of course Breaking Bad also tops the list of TV shows people lie about having seen. Here's a question - I have no idea what the answer is - when was the last time the NT staged a play by a living writer from mainland Europe ? |
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Post by Polly1 on Jan 29, 2017 16:33:13 GMT
I remembered a play about an Eastern European family recently - looked it up, it was called '3 Winters' by Tena Stivicic. Set in Croatia so I assume she (?) is European and a new play so still alive...
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2017 16:48:32 GMT
So more than two years ago. Croatian born. British resident.
EDIT: Actually, let's be fair. Us/Them, playing now, by Carly Wijs, is Belgian.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2017 16:51:50 GMT
The Hour We Knew Nothing Of Each Other by Peter Handke in 2008
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2017 17:03:45 GMT
The contrast with National Theatre Wales is quite striking. In the first seven years, I can think of nothing at all connected with America. But there've been two co-productions with Berlin companies (Rimini Protokoll and Constanza Makras/Dorkypark) and one with New National Theatre, Tokyo.
EDIT: The NTW show {150} included a film shot in Patagonia, South America, so Yes an American connection but hardly End-to-end Broadway/New York/Netflix like the South Bank NT.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2017 21:24:35 GMT
I don't mind this American phase to be honest. Do you not remember when every other play was Irish? At least all the American stuff should be reasonably different to each other.
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Post by bordeaux on Jan 29, 2017 21:45:07 GMT
The Hour We Knew Nothing Of Each Other by Peter Handke in 2008 2009 Our Class about the massacre at Jedwabne.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 30, 2017 1:37:48 GMT
The contrast with National Theatre Wales is quite striking. In the first seven years, I can think of nothing at all connected with America. But there've been two co-productions with Berlin companies (Rimini Protokoll and Constanza Makras/Dorkypark) and one with New National Theatre, Tokyo. EDIT: The NTW show {150} included a film shot in Patagonia, South America, so Yes an American connection but hardly End-to-end Broadway/New York/Netflix like the South Bank NT. The Radicalisation of Bradley Manning was NTW wasn't it? |
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Post by Jan on Jan 30, 2017 7:08:26 GMT
I don't mind this American phase to be honest. Do you not remember when every other play was Irish? You're thinking of the Donmar  People like Rufus Norris and (especially) Sir David Hare have a curious love/hate relationship with USA. And in Sir David Hare's case the last Labour government too, he even married and divorced someone called Blair Brown. Off-topic, here's a choice bit of Grumpy Old Man rubbish from Sir David who doesn't seem to have seen the production of his own play Red Barn. www.theguardian.com/stage/2017/jan/29/david-hare-classic-british-drama-infected-radical-european-staging#comment-92158169 |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 30, 2017 8:31:05 GMT
I don't mind this American phase to be honest. Do you not remember when every other play was Irish? You're thinking of the Donmar Oh yes, of course, Juno and the Paycock and The Silver Tassie and The Plough and the Stars and Ballyturk and Misterman all played in the Lyttelton auditorium of the Donmar, thank you for your kind and accurate correction.  |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 30, 2017 9:17:45 GMT
The Radicalisation of Bradley Manning was NTW wasn't it? Yes, staged in the school she attended in Haverfordwest. So both Welsh and global. I think it was the first show that NTW livestreamed online, viewed by an international audience. Quite different from the blinkered infatuation with Broadway, New York and the USA at the South Bank NT. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 30, 2017 9:22:54 GMT
I mean I think what NTW and NTS are doing is fabulous, but their approach, funding and general remit is a bit different (being without buildings for a start) and some in both countries can (and do!) argue that they aren't Welsh/Scottish enough as well, with all these "Foreign" collaborations. So swings and roundabouts.
All the big theatres go through phases. Younger viewers may remember the hatred of Nunn's musical phase. And I think back in the early 00s we had another American phase at the NT. I don't mind it, but I'm a fan of American drama, and I don't have any principled objection to the NT staging a fair whack. I think in London as well we have a lot of venues better suited to the newer British work (and I'm not sure much of what we currently produce is designed for a big stage, and I don't mean that as an insult at all, so sits better at the Court, Young Vic etc)
Anyway, swings and roundabouts what goes around comes around and we'll be moaning soon about Rufus having a French period or something.
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