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Post by BurlyBeaR on Jun 14, 2020 18:03:50 GMT
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Post by intoanewlife on Jun 14, 2020 18:09:36 GMT
DOn';t worry x
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Post by intoanewlife on Jun 14, 2020 18:28:44 GMT
I personally don't buy into that personality type stuff and think it's no more rooted in reality than astrology and I find it hard to believe that you can identify her exact thought process just from a few scenes of a reality TV show, that feels like armchair psychology to me. I'm not saying you're necessarily wrong about her intentions and I did appreciate that she later apologised but that didn't stop what she said from being rude, unnecessary, entirely out of nowhere at the time, and completely drawn out. This also isn't her first instance of cruelty as she had multiple instances of being incredibly rude about Asia O'Hara in interviews after season 10 due to Asia saying she wasn't a star which seems hypocritical now since she essentially did the same thing here and in this case it was completely unprompted. I honestly don't normally like talking badly about queens like this but it just frustrated me seeing so many defend Cracker for her behaviour when plenty of queens get endlessly berated for similar things (especially POC queens which I'm definitely not accusing you of doing but plenty of others have). I just feel like the old adage is true: if you have nothing good to say then say nothing at all. Lift the queens you love up and leave it at that. It's nothing like astrology, but hey ho. Regardless...I based it judged on what I saw and how it resonated with me, it's called empathy. Some people relate to people on the show because they've been sexually assaulted, or have dependency issues or were left at bus stops...I related to her obvious frustration at constantly being misunderstood. I didn't think he did anything wrong and it is not the first time the subject has been broached on the show over the years so I don't your over reaction to it, but clearly that is because of other things he has done in the past. It had clearly affected him in a very negative to the point he hadn't slept the whole night (he looked like dog food) which probably played a big part in his lack of judgement in acting the way he did. I thought he more than explained his actions across the 2 shows. I don't know about the other stuff, I don't really care about the 'phenomenon' beyond what I see on each episode of the show, anything else is social media garbage which they are all guilty of. No one has to say anything about the people I mentioned above, their actions spoke more than anyone ever has to say about them. Sidebar, did you watch the new Werq the World with Asia O'Hara. I was shocked that 'fans' treat the POC from the show the way they do. It's disgusting.
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Post by juicy_but_terribly_drab on Jun 14, 2020 18:55:51 GMT
I personally don't buy into that personality type stuff and think it's no more rooted in reality than astrology and I find it hard to believe that you can identify her exact thought process just from a few scenes of a reality TV show, that feels like armchair psychology to me. I'm not saying you're necessarily wrong about her intentions and I did appreciate that she later apologised but that didn't stop what she said from being rude, unnecessary, entirely out of nowhere at the time, and completely drawn out. This also isn't her first instance of cruelty as she had multiple instances of being incredibly rude about Asia O'Hara in interviews after season 10 due to Asia saying she wasn't a star which seems hypocritical now since she essentially did the same thing here and in this case it was completely unprompted. I honestly don't normally like talking badly about queens like this but it just frustrated me seeing so many defend Cracker for her behaviour when plenty of queens get endlessly berated for similar things (especially POC queens which I'm definitely not accusing you of doing but plenty of others have). I just feel like the old adage is true: if you have nothing good to say then say nothing at all. Lift the queens you love up and leave it at that. It's nothing like astrology, but hey ho. Regardless...I based it judged on what I saw and how it resonated with me, it's called empathy. Some people relate to people on the show because they've been sexually assaulted, or have dependency issues or were left at bus stops...I related to her obvious frustration at constantly being misunderstood. I didn't think he did anything wrong and it is not the first time the subject has been broached on the show over the years so I don't your over reaction to it, but clearly that is because of other things he has done in the past. It had clearly affected him in a very negative to the point he hadn't slept the whole night (he looked like dog food) which probably played a big part in his lack of judgement in acting the way he did. I thought he more than explained his actions across the 2 shows. I don't know about the other stuff, I don't really care about the 'phenomenon' beyond what I see on each episode of the show, anything else is social media garbage which they are all guilty of. No one has to say anything about the people I mentioned above, their actions spoke more than anyone ever has to say about them. Sidebar, did you watch the new Werq the World with Asia O'Hara. I was shocked that 'fans' treat the POC from the show the way they do. It's disgusting. Yes that was a big part of why I found Cracker's comments about Asia so horrid because she essentially attacked the fact that Asia had a smaller following than her despite almost certainly knowing that POC queens have a much harder time gaining a following from the fan base. But I can completely understand if your only experience with her is from the show why you would be more forgiving and indeed she apologised this episode so hopefully she's learning.
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Post by oxfordsimon on Jun 15, 2020 14:46:15 GMT
I thought the season started strongly with the first episode. It was revelatory to see India totally own the stage - she did old school drag so well. Ongina was clearly out of her depth - and that was sad to see. Shea was underwhelming in her pole dance (the knee pads were a visual distraction and could have been coloured to match the rest of her look). Blair didn't sing as well as she could, Cracker was trying too hard to be Bendela - something that followed through into episode 2.
The drama between Derrick and India felt authentic and was used well. The result was not a surprise.
Episode 2 - on the other hand - did the season no favours at all. The song at the heart of the episode was just too weak - it wasn't interesting enough to sustain 9 verses.
The Cracker as villain edit does not feel authentic. Yes, she was insensitive - but the villain edit was not justified.
Jujubee is a delight throughout - the right level of bitchy and funny. Blair needs to learn a bit of humility - I am already over her new 'attitude'
The song challenge was not great. The runway was good. However Shea's bodystocking wasn't that well fitted (and she needed to tuck better).
I think it is very clear that the new 'twist' is actually the way the producers can control things. It was very obvious that Alyssa was holding back in the lipsync - she can do so much better than that. So the producers can easily manipulate things by getting the 'assassin' to tailor their performance to the needs of the edit. It takes control out of the hands of the queens - more so than the previous seasons.
It felt very much like Shea was gifted the win by the producers rather than earning the $20k by dint of being the best performer on the night - her lipsync was not great and if Alyssa had given her all, the result would never gone to Shea.
Shea is a strong queen - but she isn't the best lipsyncer.
Let's see what episode 3 brings - the decorating challenge is always an odd one.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 15, 2020 15:56:12 GMT
i thought the same thing about Alyssa's performance. It was nothing like her usual energy and focus during a lipsynch. Was it just an off day or producers doing, I'm not sure.
Before Alyssa's ru-veal, i was hoping it was Sasha Velor. That would have been great.
i wonder if the producers have banned the returning assassins from using props like rose petals, given that they can prepare more beforehand. Or just in case anyone was thinking that lifeless moths were a good idea again.
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Post by oxfordsimon on Jun 15, 2020 15:59:05 GMT
I think the rollover of money doesn't work.
I would much rather that a victorious assassin gets to donate that money to a charity of their choice. That way they are somewhat more invested in the process
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Post by BurlyBeaR on Jun 20, 2020 19:30:26 GMT
Why is Cracker getting the villain edit? Alexis Mateo is the real villain. Bam! Shea Coulay isn’t all that. Blair is bland. Who was that English judge with the grey hair? I never rated jujubee.
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Post by oxfordsimon on Jun 21, 2020 14:01:17 GMT
It was a very weak episode. All three teams were uninspiring.
Shea must have been on something when she came up with that ugly set of outfits. Mayhem should have been read for only really having 1.5 looks not 3.
And Alexis was a right bitch throughout the episode. And people are starting to see her for who she is.
A waste of an episode on a challenge that made no sense and showcased no transferable skills
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Post by juicy_but_terribly_drab on Jun 27, 2020 11:30:27 GMT
Another weak episode. I don't know why they didn't let the queens choose their teams or their characters because it just seemed to really restrict what they could do in the challenge. Also I hate that we will now have what are essentially 3 improv challenges in a row after Snatch Game next week - I miss design challenges and wish they would have done a ball this week or something.
Also no one did exceptionally bad or good either so it felt like there were no stakes since they could pick anyone out of a hat to go home for whatever arbitrary reason - too manufactured and over-produced. I did think Cracker and Juju deserved top 2 at least but I did not think the lip sync deserved a double win, Morgan's lip sync felt far more cohesive than Cracker's. But yeah, I wish they would cut down on the acting challenges because they're never well written and if a queen is funny it's usually in spite of the challenge and not because the scenario is clever or funny.
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Post by BurlyBeaR on Jul 5, 2020 20:05:25 GMT
Hate Snatch Game but the Love version is better. Jujubee should have won it. Hated Shea’s runway lewk Hate Alexis but if that had really happened it would have been caught on camera or audio so India is a shady liar. I do declare, get rid of Blair. Jeffrey Bowyer Chapman ☺️
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Post by oxfordsimon on Jul 5, 2020 22:34:50 GMT
It was a better episode - compared to the previous 2.
I think Alexis is a shady two-faced manipulator. Did she attempt a 'campaign'? I don't know - but I don't trust her at all.
Blair is totally vapid.
And Shea looked like a mess.
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Post by Deal J on Jul 6, 2020 8:13:37 GMT
I was surprised at how flat Miz Cracker was as Lady Gaga, I expected more from Cracker in the Snatch Game. Jujubee was excellent... "I would sensually walk to the thermostattttt" I'm not a fan of Alexis either, but I don't think India has done herself any favours in this.
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Post by BurlyBeaR on Jul 11, 2020 20:22:20 GMT
Cracker is doing the same patti lupone look every week. I cannot believe that Blair is still in. She is boring AF.
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Post by oxfordsimon on Jul 11, 2020 22:09:02 GMT
It was an over-extended episode - too much emoting in the workroom...
And why do a voiceover for the first part of the runway - far better to have made them interact as the character.
Shea looked a mess in the 'wedding dress'
There was no way that the lipsync was going to end with a Cracker win.. you can't compete with those buttocks!
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Post by oxfordsimon on Jul 11, 2020 22:09:28 GMT
Canada's Drag Race is more entertaining...
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Post by HereForTheatre on Jul 12, 2020 14:00:51 GMT
I love Jujubee. Is she the most polished queen there? No. But I'd love her to win.
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Post by cherokee on Jul 15, 2020 11:38:21 GMT
There's a genuine case for a double winner this year. My head says Shea should win - my heart wants Jujubee.
Sadly, I guess there's no chance of a double win after they did it last time. I blame the production choices for All Stars 3. If they hadn't fiddled with the elimination process which meant Shangela missed out when she should have got the crown, they wouldn't have felt the need to promote Monet alongside the far more accomplished Trinity. (Which they clearly did to duck criticism that the All Stars Hall of Fame was completely white.)
Ironically, it would have given us 2 non-white winners this year in Shea and Juju!
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Post by oxfordsimon on Jul 15, 2020 11:45:03 GMT
No doubt they filmed every possible combination of winners - just in case.
I am amazed that from what should have been a strong and entertaining set of candidates, they have delivered a very weak All Stars season.
And, as far as we can tell, there is nothing in production right now - so we might well have a long wait for anything new.
Ironically, they could build a bubble of queens and production team and get stuff happening - it is not as if the queens would be cancelling gigs...
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Post by oxfordsimon on Jul 18, 2020 23:24:50 GMT
Well it is the right top 3. And it was a classic edit whereby the person who does best in the rehearsals does the worst in the performance edit.
It all feels set up for a Shea win - which will be as dull as season 12's result. But I can't see it going any other way - unless something really bad happens during the finale that they can't edit out.
We shall see.
Meanwhile in Canada, things are far more entertaining.
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Post by BoOverall on Jul 19, 2020 11:36:41 GMT
Well it is the right top 3. And it was a classic edit whereby the person who does best in the rehearsals does the worst in the performance edit. It all feels set up for a Shea win - which will be as dull as season 12's result. But I can't see it going any other way - unless something really bad happens during the finale that they can't edit out. We shall see. Meanwhile in Canada, things are far more entertaining. Hoping not Shea who I find quite hard work to watch. But the right 3 for sure. I am torn between Miz Cracker and Jujubee for the crown. I didn’t really warm to either of them in their seasons but they have won me over...and some! Oh yes, Canada. What a refreshing version of Drag Race. Love the judging panel and guest judges. And I am finding it more vibrant without RuPaul and Michelle Visage - and am enjoying the absence of RuPaul’s insincere-seeming interest in the queens during his chats in his series.
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Post by oxfordsimon on Jul 19, 2020 16:17:42 GMT
Shea's aesthetic has been very inconsistent - she has had some stunning looks (like the red frock for the comedy gig) and some really poor efforts (like her Freak look which was not Freaky)
The whole season edit has been about her journey from losing to Sasha - and the only logical end is for her to be given the win this time. She is good - no doubt about it - but she hasn't really shown it this time round.
Juju has done a great job and combines the bitchy with the funny perfectly. She never comes over as cruel.
Cracker has blossomed - but it seems that the best track record through a season rarely delivers a win.
It is Shea's to lose now - rightly or wrongly - the zeitgeist and the edit seems to demand it.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2020 9:06:13 GMT
I personally don't buy into that personality type stuff and think it's no more rooted in reality than astrology and I find it hard to believe that you can identify her exact thought process just from a few scenes of a reality TV show, that feels like armchair psychology to me. I'm not saying you're necessarily wrong about her intentions and I did appreciate that she later apologised but that didn't stop what she said from being rude, unnecessary, entirely out of nowhere at the time, and completely drawn out. This also isn't her first instance of cruelty as she had multiple instances of being incredibly rude about Asia O'Hara in interviews after season 10 due to Asia saying she wasn't a star which seems hypocritical now since she essentially did the same thing here and in this case it was completely unprompted. I honestly don't normally like talking badly about queens like this but it just frustrated me seeing so many defend Cracker for her behaviour when plenty of queens get endlessly berated for similar things (especially POC queens which I'm definitely not accusing you of doing but plenty of others have). I just feel like the old adage is true: if you have nothing good to say then say nothing at all. Lift the queens you love up and leave it at that. It's nothing like astrology, but hey ho. Regardless...I based it judged on what I saw and how it resonated with me, it's called empathy. Some people relate to people on the show because they've been sexually assaulted, or have dependency issues or were left at bus stops...I related to her obvious frustration at constantly being misunderstood. I didn't think he did anything wrong and it is not the first time the subject has been broached on the show over the years so I don't your over reaction to it, but clearly that is because of other things he has done in the past. It had clearly affected him in a very negative to the point he hadn't slept the whole night (he looked like dog food) which probably played a big part in his lack of judgement in acting the way he did. I thought he more than explained his actions across the 2 shows. I don't know about the other stuff, I don't really care about the 'phenomenon' beyond what I see on each episode of the show, anything else is social media garbage which they are all guilty of. No one has to say anything about the people I mentioned above, their actions spoke more than anyone ever has to say about them. Sidebar, did you watch the new Werq the World with Asia O'Hara. I was shocked that 'fans' treat the POC from the show the way they do. It's disgusting. Myers-Briggs is organisational astrology. It’s useful to create a shared vocabulary among teams/groups and help people work out how they relate to each other. It gives many people a vocabulary to understand and talk about their behaviours and preferences. Ain’t no way Shea’s losing this. Says the ENTJ.
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Post by trapdoor on Jul 25, 2020 9:34:21 GMT
Just to warn you all if you’ve not yet watched the final. Netflix have really helpfully used a screen grab for that particular episode when you choose it from the list. Said screen grab? Oh just a queen. Holding a sceptre. Therefore showing you who wins.
Clang.
Way round it might be to go from the previous episode and scroll through so the final autoplays from there.
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Post by HereForTheatre on Jul 25, 2020 10:52:30 GMT
Just to warn you all if you’ve not yet watched the final. Netflix have really helpfully used a screen grab for that particular episode when you choose it from the list. Said screen grab? Oh just a queen. Holding a sceptre. Therefore showing you who wins. Clang. Way round it might be to go from the previous episode and scroll through so the final autoplays from there. I noticed the same thing. What a stupid mistake.
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