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Post by Jan on Jul 15, 2016 10:58:28 GMT
I am not very knowledgeable about schools, but surely there has to be something seriously wrong in government planning? They have 5 years notice of the numbers of children being born here: isn't that sufficient time to work out what school provisions are necessary? Or is this just a naïve opinion? You assume the primary schools are being filled up only by children born in UK 5 years before. This is not the case where I live. |
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Jul 15, 2016 11:29:39 GMT
Post by Deleted on Jul 15, 2016 11:29:39 GMT
You assume the primary schools are being filled up only by children born in UK 5 years before. This is not the case where I live. Point conceded. |
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Post by Phantom of London on Mar 16, 2017 22:55:30 GMT
I agree and found it very moving and shed a tear myself when she said, "in the coming weeks you can replacement for Batley will be found, but you cannot replace a mother with 2", then broke down in tears. With that MP getting murdered by some right wing fanatic, then Nigel Farage releasing his latest and last poster campaign, this will make the mind up of the undecided and that will cause Brexit to lose on Thursday. Assuming Ukip don't want BREXIT though as they will cease to exist seeing as they are a one thing party? Although if we did leave I imagine they will become the acceptable face of racism in a country that appears to be begging for such a thing at the moment. I do believe though that this poor woman's murder will make most people that r 50/50 lean towards remain Great news from Holland this morning, that another nasty party, that used immigration and hate as a vehicle to leave the EU has failed. |
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Mar 17, 2017 6:56:41 GMT
Post by Jan on Mar 17, 2017 6:56:41 GMT
Assuming Ukip don't want BREXIT though as they will cease to exist seeing as they are a one thing party? Although if we did leave I imagine they will become the acceptable face of racism in a country that appears to be begging for such a thing at the moment. I do believe though that this poor woman's murder will make most people that r 50/50 lean towards remain Great news from Holland this morning, that another nasty party, that used immigration and hate as a vehicle to leave the EU has failed. They didn't really fail, that is just the spin being put on it by the left-wing press here. PM Rutte lost 8 seats and Wilders gained 5 seats. Wilders is like UKIP, he does not need to actually achieve much in electoral terms because he is shifting opinion in the mainstream parties in his direction - without Wilders would Rutte have detained and deported a Turkish politician last week ? Without UKIP would the Labour party have expressed "concern" over high immigration, would the Tories have agreed to a EU referendum ? |
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Post by vdcni on Mar 17, 2017 8:20:35 GMT
Yes that extensive British left wing press.
The fear was that they would do a lot better, that was what the polls were indicating in most of the run up to the election so that's why people feel it has been a victory, particularly as their share of the vote remained pretty static.
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Mar 17, 2017 9:37:37 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Mar 17, 2017 9:37:37 GMT
thats the scary thing about populism/nationalism - even when they don't win we are told they really did and the left wing media are reporting it incorrectly
He didn't win. The neatherlands didn't vote for the far right candidate
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Mar 17, 2017 10:03:34 GMT
Post by Jan on Mar 17, 2017 10:03:34 GMT
thats the scary thing about populism/nationalism - even when they don't win we are told they really did and the left wing media are reporting it incorrectly He didn't win. The neatherlands didn't vote for the far right candidate UKIP didn't win, the public didn't vote for an anti-EU party, and we aren't leaving the EU. Oh, wait a minute ... Wilders could never "win" in your simplistic terms because he could never get 50% of the vote and no other party in the Netherlands would ever form a coalition with him. He wins by Rutte trying to stop some of his own vote defecting to Wilders by deporting Turkish politicians and shifting to the right. That's the REALLY scary thing about Nationalism, they don't need to win the popular vote to succeed. The excitement in the left-wing press here that Wilders increased his vote but not as much as the polling suggested is synthetic news - who believes the polls anyway ? Same with Le Pen, the influence she is having over the policies of the mainstream parties is more important than her own share of the actual vote. Just incidentally, nationalism and populism are different, populism is what lead to Corbyn being elected Labour leader. |
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Mar 17, 2017 10:20:35 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Mar 17, 2017 10:20:35 GMT
thats the scary thing about populism/nationalism - even when they don't win we are told they really did and the left wing media are reporting it incorrectly He didn't win. The neatherlands didn't vote for the far right candidate UKIP didn't win, the public didn't vote for an anti-EU party, and we aren't leaving the EU. Oh, wait a minute ... Wilders could never "win" in your simplistic terms because he could never get 50% of the vote and no other party in the Netherlands would ever form a coalition with him. He wins by Rutte trying to stop some of his own vote defecting to Wilders by deporting Turkish politicians and shifting to the right. That's the REALLY scary thing about Nationalism, they don't need to win the popular vote to succeed. The excitement in the left-wing press here that Wilders increased his vote but not as much as the polling suggested is synthetic news - who believes the polls anyway ? Same with Le Pen, the influence she is having over the policies of the mainstream parties is more important than her own share of the actual vote. Just incidentally, nationalism and populism are different, populism is what lead to Corbyn being elected Labour leader. People didn't vote BREXIT coz of UKIP. People voted BREXIT coz of patronising people like yourself |
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Mar 17, 2017 10:27:16 GMT
Post by Deleted on Mar 17, 2017 10:27:16 GMT
the public didn't vote for an anti-EU party In our referendum the public wasn't voting for any party at all, though that seems to have escaped many people's understanding. I'm astonished at how many people I've heard complaining that an indefinable "they" is "going back on their promises", as if it had been like a general election where each side sets out its plans for what it will do if it gets into power. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 17, 2017 12:16:11 GMT
Great news from Holland this morning, that another nasty party, that used immigration and hate as a vehicle to leave the EU has failed. They didn't really fail, that is just the spin being put on it by the left-wing press here. PM Rutte lost 8 seats and Wilders gained 5 seats. Wilders is like UKIP, he does not need to actually achieve much in electoral terms because he is shifting opinion in the mainstream parties in his direction - without Wilders would Rutte have detained and deported a Turkish politician last week ? Without UKIP would the Labour party have expressed "concern" over high immigration, would the Tories have agreed to a EU referendum ? That's not at all what happened with Rutte. He was showing Erdogan that xenophobic, proto fascists are not welcome (and by extension standing against the other parts that of axis - Trump and Putin). He was standing against Wilders and his kind, not imitating them. Having seen the way that Trump tries to use terms that accurately describe him as insults to others (as per the non existent wiretaps), Erdogan tried on the same. By introducing the word fascist, attempting to muddy the waters to cover up his own fascist or authoritarian tendencies. Most people are clever enough not to fall for that type of thing and the Dutch were clearly not ready to do so. Rutte used that concern very well in the last few weeks.
Regarding Brexit, there was the politically understandable Gove/Johnson/Stewart type element (by far the largest proportion of voters) ranged against Farage and his fellow travellers. With the latters connections to that same Trump/Putin axis gradually being revealed, we can see how much they have been against British interests all along. What they want are the sort of oligarchy of the wealthy with global business connections that Putin has, and what Trump is now attempting to, create. I have nothing but contempt for these people.
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Mar 17, 2017 13:17:03 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Mar 17, 2017 13:17:03 GMT
FWIW, I think Jan Brock makes some perfectly sensible points in his recent posts above. There's more than one way to spin a statistic and more than one way to 'win'! That's not sacrilege, it's fact.
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Post by theglenbucklaird on Mar 18, 2017 19:39:41 GMT
UKIP didn't win, the public didn't vote for an anti-EU party, and we aren't leaving the EU. Oh, wait a minute ... Wilders could never "win" in your simplistic terms because he could never get 50% of the vote and no other party in the Netherlands would ever form a coalition with him. He wins by Rutte trying to stop some of his own vote defecting to Wilders by deporting Turkish politicians and shifting to the right. That's the REALLY scary thing about Nationalism, they don't need to win the popular vote to succeed. The excitement in the left-wing press here that Wilders increased his vote but not as much as the polling suggested is synthetic news - who believes the polls anyway ? Same with Le Pen, the influence she is having over the policies of the mainstream parties is more important than her own share of the actual vote. Just incidentally, nationalism and populism are different, populism is what lead to Corbyn being elected Labour leader. People didn't vote BREXIT coz of UKIP. People voted BREXIT coz of patronising people like yourself Promise I will go back and read the rest of your post, just couldn't get past the 'excitement of the left wing press' comment. Is there such a thing? |
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Mar 18, 2017 23:10:42 GMT
Post by lynette on Mar 18, 2017 23:10:42 GMT
Just caught up here: Le Pen certainly has influenced opinion but she is doing more than just that. As the other candidates are so fluffy, Macron another Hollande , Fillon a bit dodgy on the money, she has, whether you like it or not, a real chance.
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Post by aksis on Mar 19, 2017 4:00:31 GMT
without Wilders would Rutte have detained and deported a Turkish politician last week ? Actually yes ... there has been a lot of unrest in the Turkish community for the last years. This meeting which was supposed to happen with another Turkish politician, was cancelled due to the high risk of riots. That politician was send by airplane to the Netherlands anyway and the revoked the landing rights. The answer to that was to send another politician by car from Germany where she had been for a meeting. Even before she arrived there were rioting people in the streets already though all went downhill fast after she was send away. The trouble within the Turkish community have nothing to do with Wilders but with the political situation in Turkey and people here picking sides in that conflict and fighting over it here. |
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Post by aksis on Mar 19, 2017 7:01:06 GMT
And the decision to 'detain and deport' was made by the major of Rotterdam who is a member of the leftish PvdA party and a muslim. Rutte was pushed as the decision maker in the media because he is the MP.
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Post by Someone in a tree on Jul 9, 2018 12:42:17 GMT
Just bumping this thread up in the light of the recent resignations.
It’s the kind of news that I can’t bear to listen to and read but then at the same time ...
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Post by david on Jul 9, 2018 12:47:58 GMT
Just bumping this thread up in the light of the recent resignations. It’s the kind of news that I can’t bear to listen to and read but then at the same time ... It’s car crash tv isn’t it? If it didn’t have very real consequences, it would be like some comedy drama. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 9, 2018 12:58:30 GMT
There is only one word for the whole debacle. Clusterf***.
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Post by Someone in a tree on Jul 9, 2018 13:33:35 GMT
Will Boris be the next to resign ?
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Jul 9, 2018 13:37:54 GMT
Post by wickedgrin on Jul 9, 2018 13:37:54 GMT
No wonder Ray Cooney Farces have gone out of fashion - it's happening for real! Move Over Mrs May!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 9, 2018 14:08:34 GMT
BoJo has gone now . . .
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Post by Someone in a tree on Jul 9, 2018 14:09:10 GMT
No wonder Ray Cooney Farces have gone out of fashion - it's happening for real! Move Over Mrs May! MAYhem |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 9, 2018 14:18:41 GMT
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Post by theatremadness on Jul 9, 2018 14:19:23 GMT
On yer (Boris) bike
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Post by kathryn on Jul 9, 2018 14:33:57 GMT
This made me happy for about 5 seconds, and then I had the horrible thought that he might be trying for the party leadership... |
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