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Jul 9, 2018 14:37:17 GMT
Post by theatremadness on Jul 9, 2018 14:37:17 GMT
Loving the Sky News reporter quoting Oscar Wilde talking about Boris Johnson, David Davis and the Prime Minister: "To lose one parent may be regarded as a misfortune; to lose both looks like carelessness."
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Jul 9, 2018 14:58:46 GMT
Post by Deleted on Jul 9, 2018 14:58:46 GMT
The problem with politics at the moment is that even if the national leader were to step aside or be indisposed, the alternatives are almost as horrible to contemplate, if not more so. I don't know that Mike Pence would be any less of a nightmare than Donald Trump, and replacing Theresa May with Boris Johnson, Jacob Rees-Mogg, or Michael Gove would absolutely not be an improvement in any way, shape, or form. There are days when I contemplate going on holiday to Canada or New Zealand and just... not... coming back.
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Jul 9, 2018 15:11:48 GMT
Post by Deleted on Jul 9, 2018 15:11:48 GMT
The issue that dooms us is that no sensible politician wants to be responsible for the disastrous effects that anything but a 'Brexit in name only' would have (even with that limited version it is likely to be chaotic for years and its perpetrators would take a massive hit). So they either get out, resign or leave it to the crazies. That means, being in government, the conservative party is staring at oblivion if it is still in power when Brexit happens as well as facing being divided into two or more parts if it allows one wing or the other to do what it wants.
It has nowhere to turn.
Actually, it does, which is to lose an election and I'm coming to the conclusion that this is the inevitable endgame, call and lose an election in the next six months or so. No majority exists for anything so even trying to cobble together a government of national emergency would be impossible.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 9, 2018 15:16:38 GMT
The problem with politics at the moment is that even if the national leader were to step aside or be indisposed, the alternatives are almost as horrible to contemplate, if not more so. I don't know that Mike Pence would be any less of a nightmare than Donald Trump, and replacing Theresa May with Boris Johnson, Jacob Rees-Mogg, or Michael Gove would absolutely not be an improvement in any way, shape, or form. There are days when I contemplate going on holiday to Canada or New Zealand and just... not... coming back. Agree. Although I think Mike Pence would absolutely be worse than The Donald. He's evil. I can't even begin to imagine the mess we would be in with BoJo, Gove or (God forbid) Rees-Mogg. Although one would imagine that Jeremy Corbyn is desperately hoping it would be one of those three. They'd do the job for him really. How wonderful it would be to have Justin Trudeau-oh-OH or Jacinda . . . |
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Jul 9, 2018 15:28:44 GMT
Post by Deleted on Jul 9, 2018 15:28:44 GMT
He was a great guest on Have I Got News For You. He should have stuck with what he's good at.
As a politician he's a disaster. Over the last few years I've increasingly gained the impression that he's brimming over with ideas but doesn't have the foggiest notion how to implement them, or even if they're possible.
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Post by kathryn on Jul 9, 2018 15:28:44 GMT
Actually, it does, which is to lose an election and I'm coming to the conclusion that this is the inevitable endgame, call and lose an election in the next six months or so. The thing is, another election isn't going to produce a different result. The Tories will still just about scrape a government together, because there's no real opposition offering an alternative to capture the public imagination*, and they still won't be able to negotiate the 'cake and eat it/unicorns for all/extra £350m a week for the NHS' Brexit the 52% voted for because it was a big bunch o' lies all along. *Seriously, I've come to the conclusion that Jeremy Corbyn doesn't actually want to win the next election, which is why he is so feeble when it comes to attacking the Tory omnishambles. He wants to snipe from the sidelines - the way he did even when Labour was *in* government. |
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Post by NeilVHughes on Jul 9, 2018 15:29:55 GMT
....digests high fibre ignorance
for the terminally insane ... insane
Do do do do do do you realize,
Do do do do do do you realize,
Do do do do do do you realize,
This world is totally fugazi!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 9, 2018 15:38:28 GMT
Actually, it does, which is to lose an election and I'm coming to the conclusion that this is the inevitable endgame, call and lose an election in the next six months or so. The thing is, another election isn't going to produce a different result. The Tories will still just about scrape a government together, because there's no real opposition offering an alternative to capture the public imagination*, and they still won't be able to negotiate the 'cake and eat it/unicorns for all/extra £350m a week for the NHS' Brexit the 52% voted for because it was a big bunch o' lies all along. *Seriously, I've come to the conclusion that Jeremy Corbyn doesn't actually want to win the next election, which is why he is so feeble when it comes to attacking the Tory omnishambles. He wants to snipe from the sidelines - the way he did even when Labour was *in* government. It's like a game of pass the parcel where nobody wants to be holding onto it when the music stops. |
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Post by crowblack on Jul 9, 2018 16:21:16 GMT
He was a great guest on Have I Got News For You. They should never have given him a platform. He's smart enough to have created a persona for himself and it kickstarted his public career. I think the media have done this time and time again - promoted people it thinks are amusing 'characters' and 'good copy' to get ratings only to find they've helped them into positions of power. They did it with Farage, Abu Hamza, Rees-Mogg, all the idiots they seem to have on speed-dial for Newsnight. Right now there's an American right wing girl who seems to be on all the time, attacking the NHS, animal welfare standards, everything we're supposed to hold dearand there's the sodding BBC which I pay for and which she'd doubtless love to see sold to Murdoch or whatever giving her a platform week in week out. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 9, 2018 16:34:28 GMT
All I can say is - good riddance Davis and Johnson.
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Post by Phantom of London on Jul 9, 2018 16:40:08 GMT
The problem with politics at the moment is that even if the national leader were to step aside or be indisposed, the alternatives are almost as horrible to contemplate, if not more so. I don't know that Mike Pence would be any less of a nightmare than Donald Trump, and replacing Theresa May with Boris Johnson, Jacob Rees-Mogg, or Michael Gove would absolutely not be an improvement in any way, shape, or form. There are days when I contemplate going on holiday to Canada or New Zealand and just... not... coming back. Agree. Although I think Mike Pence would absolutely be worse than The Donald. He's evil. I can't even begin to imagine the mess we would be in with BoJo, Gove or (God forbid) Rees-Mogg. Although one would imagine that Jeremy Corbyn is desperately hoping it would be one of those three. They'd do the job for him really. How wonderful it would be to have Justin Trudeau-oh-OH or Jacinda . . . Ironically Donald Trump is over on Thursday, it is a nightmare where I work at Baker Street, due to the American Ambassadors house in Regent’s Park and it could be possible here may not be a government to receive the president. At least he can stand at Buckingham Palace holding Her Majesty’s hand. He was a great guest on Have I Got News For You. They should never have given him a platform. He's smart enough to have created a persona for himself and it kickstarted his public career. I think the media have done this time and time again - promoted people it thinks are amusing 'characters' and 'good copy' to get ratings only to find they've helped them into positions of power. They did it with Farage, Abu Hamza, Rees-Mogg, all the idiots they seem to have on speed-dial for Newsnight. Right now there's an American right wing girl who seems to be on all the time, attacking the NHS, animal welfare standards, everything we're supposed to hold dearand there's the sodding BBC which I pay for and which she'd doubtless love to see sold to Murdoch or whatever giving her a platform week in week out. Really Boris ‘smart’ he went to Oxford and only managed to get a second class degree. |
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Post by crowblack on Jul 9, 2018 16:51:30 GMT
I mean in the 'nous' sense. He knows the artfully arranged hair and bumbling P G Wodehouse act goes down well. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 9, 2018 16:54:02 GMT
Really Boris ‘smart’ he went to Oxford and only managed to get a second class degree. Having any kind of degree doesn't make you smart. I mean, seriously, even I have one! |
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Post by longinthetooth on Jul 9, 2018 16:57:18 GMT
"Oh what a circus, oh what a show …!"
Oops, wrong thread - then again ………..
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Jul 9, 2018 17:00:28 GMT
Post by david on Jul 9, 2018 17:00:28 GMT
I think it’s a case of Stop the world, I want to get off!
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Jul 9, 2018 17:05:27 GMT
Post by Deleted on Jul 9, 2018 17:05:27 GMT
Actually, it does, which is to lose an election and I'm coming to the conclusion that this is the inevitable endgame, call and lose an election in the next six months or so. No majority exists for anything so even trying to cobble together a government of national emergency would be impossible. I've posited similar myself. Is this actually part of a long game whereby the intention is, amid chaos, 'loose' out for a term leaving the opposition (Labour) to deal with the inevitable mess, fail doing so and damaging any credibility thus destroying the party in the process. edit: That said, I do doubt any politician in any reasonably position of power currently has the foresight to have instigated such a plan. |
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Post by lynette on Jul 9, 2018 17:27:49 GMT
Nice conspiracy theory, SS but they are all too thick to think of it, let alone act on it and they will all be off to their summer hols in a mo. Pass the gin.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 9, 2018 18:47:34 GMT
The problem with politics is that some politicians seem to still be labouring under the delusion that a "hard Brexit" is possible in any shape or form...despite the fact that when pressed to explain how it would actually work none of them have any kind of workable answer...
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Post by vdcni on Jul 9, 2018 19:29:02 GMT
The anti EU brigade have spent the last 40 years moaning about it but then give them the opportunity to actually do something and not a single one has come up with any kind of workable plan. Their only thought seems to be us getting all the benefits of EU membership and none of the bits we don't like and just expecting the EU to roll over and give us everything they want.
Neither Davis or Johnson have articulated any workable plan in the last two years or what they world realistically do instead of the plan they are objecting to.
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Jul 9, 2018 19:32:25 GMT
Post by Phantom of London on Jul 9, 2018 19:32:25 GMT
After 25 years you would have thought the Conservatives would have resolved the issue of the ‘bastards’!
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Jul 9, 2018 20:18:52 GMT
via mobile
Post by ellie1981 on Jul 9, 2018 20:18:52 GMT
I just found out yesterday that an old school friend of mine who LIVES AND WORKS IN FRANCE, voted to leave. She could not get any sort of job in the U.K. when she left Uni as she had a third in her French degree and couldn’t even get on any teaching courses here, but found great success there.
She claims because her mother was able to work in France pre-EU in the early 70s that everything should be exactly the same as it was then. I swear all of her political opinions are shaped by her ridiculously right wing and religious parents.
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Jul 9, 2018 20:43:29 GMT
Post by david on Jul 9, 2018 20:43:29 GMT
Just announced, Jeremy Hunt as the new Foreign Sec. I’m surprised he’s moved from the Health brief. He didn’t want to move at the last reshuffle and actually got a beefed up dept from it. I suppose it’s a big promotion for him. I wonder if the NHS will be glad he’s gone? Hopefully he will do a better job than BoJo, but that wouldn’t really be that difficult.
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Jul 10, 2018 6:14:21 GMT
Post by Deleted on Jul 10, 2018 6:14:21 GMT
Just announced, Jeremy Hunt as the new Foreign Sec. I’m surprised he’s moved from the Health brief. He didn’t want to move at the last reshuffle and actually got a beefed up dept from it. I suppose it’s a big promotion for him. I wonder if the NHS will be glad he’s gone? Hopefully he will do a better job than BoJo, but that wouldn’t really be that difficult. Well he's certainly well qualified having dismantled the NHS bit by bit for the last 6 years, now he can get to work on the UK as a whole. |
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Jul 10, 2018 7:44:44 GMT
Post by wickedgrin on Jul 10, 2018 7:44:44 GMT
The less said about the new Culture Secretary Jeremy Wright the better!!
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Jul 10, 2018 8:24:53 GMT
Post by Deleted on Jul 10, 2018 8:24:53 GMT
Just announced, Jeremy Hunt as the new Foreign Sec. I’m surprised he’s moved from the Health brief. He's always wanted that job. It's always been reported that he's refused to leave Health unless he got that particular role. |
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