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Post by woobl on Apr 29, 2024 10:33:47 GMT
Going to see this in Sydney. Can't imagine what it will be like having seen the most recent London production.
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Post by theatrefan62 on Apr 29, 2024 13:20:28 GMT
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Post by max on Apr 29, 2024 23:03:57 GMT
Sarah looks great. Hold on folks, for another twist in the ALW Sunset Saga, if he decides Sarah is the ultimate Norma, and wants the film to be made - with her....! Lol
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Post by karloscar on Apr 30, 2024 1:34:45 GMT
Sarah looks great. Hold on folks, for another twist in the ALW Sunset Saga, if he decides Sarah is the ultimate Norma, and wants the film to be made - with her....! Lol [br Or he dumps Nicole and insists on Sarah for Broadway! History repeating....hahaha |
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Post by chernjam on Apr 30, 2024 2:28:42 GMT
Sarah looks great. Hold on folks, for another twist in the ALW Sunset Saga, if he decides Sarah is the ultimate Norma, and wants the film to be made - with her....! Lol [br Or he dumps Nicole and insists on Sarah for Broadway! History repeating....hahaha Instantly returning my tickets... hahahaha I wish nothing but the best success but just not a Sarah fan. Its hard to imagine her in this |
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Post by theatrefan62 on Apr 30, 2024 6:25:28 GMT
For me, a large part of Sunsets magic is it's setting and style which adds so much to the piece and the atmosphere and this so far looks so spot on. Especially after the disappointing UK tour and the Savoy production
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Post by max on Apr 30, 2024 10:36:41 GMT
For me, a large part of Sunsets magic is it's setting and style which adds so much to the piece and the atmosphere and this so far looks so spot on. Especially after the disappointing UK tour and the Savoy production Agree with this, though I'd talked myself around to liking the sound of a radical version. My problem with Lloyd's vision is that it felt so badly worked out. I know I'm massively in the minority here, but the text simply didn't work - despite the cuts made. On another thread nobody has yet helped me out with my question about one line of dialogue: Do we ever hear the organ sound at the mansion, or was that cut? As there are almost no props, does the actor playing Max mime the organ, or is it cut entirely. I just can't remember. But I wonder about this line, and the meaning it's left with if we don't see or hear it: "The house was always so quiet, just me and Max and that organ". I mean.... |
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Post by danb on Apr 30, 2024 16:58:02 GMT
For me, a large part of Sunsets magic is it's setting and style which adds so much to the piece and the atmosphere and this so far looks so spot on. Especially after the disappointing UK tour and the Savoy production Agree with this, though I'd talked myself around to liking the sound of a radical version. My problem with Lloyd's vision is that it felt so badly worked out. I know I'm massively in the minority here, but the text simply didn't work - despite the cuts made. On another thread nobody has yet helped me out with my question about one line of dialogue: Do we ever hear the organ sound at the mansion, or was that cut? As there are almost no props, does the actor playing Max mime the organ, or is it cut entirely. I just can't remember. But I wonder about this line, and the meaning it's left with if we don't see or hear it: "The house was always so quiet, just me and Max and that organ". I mean.... As I recall you were given several variations of ‘it’s his interpretation, just go with it’ at the time. Unless every piece of theatre you have watched has been a documentary I fail to see how you haven’t experienced this concept before. Regardless, it has proven itself enough so I doubt Lloyd will be losing much sleep. |
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Post by max on Apr 30, 2024 18:05:27 GMT
Of course many people said 'it's an interpretation, be open to it, go with it' and I went along with that spirit keen to have my usual interpretation challenged. In my post I'm just ASKING (because some people are prepared to discuss rather than chastise and sneer) whether that particular piece of business (re. the organ) was left as a non sequitur, or was represented in some other way that absorbed it into Lloyd's scheme. This was in the context of comments about the Australian production having a styling that's a more conventional interpretation, matching a more photographic 'reality' of Hollywood back then.
Where meaning is generated by new more radical interpretions I'm really interested. Making new sense of things is exciting. I was just wondering if in this case - if cut adrift from a more naturalistic staging - the line "just me and Max and that organ" ended up sounding like the 'organ' being played with was not a musical one! I doubt that was the intention - and made me question how interested Lloyd was in people who don't know the material already. He's not obliged to care about that; but it makes me less interested in a piece - even if I know the material inside out.
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Post by max on Apr 30, 2024 18:17:10 GMT
Anyway, theatrefan62 , it will be interesting to see whether after a radical version this Australian one only basks in the conventional and looks a bit stolid/stale, or if it centres in the expected but with innovations that radiate from that. In the rehearsal clip there's a moment from 'The Lady's Paying' where Joe is tipped/leaning onto one of the dresser/outfitters, somewhat puppeteered by them. It's more extreme than the choreographed manipuation in the other 3 productions I've seen that included the song. |
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Post by danb on Apr 30, 2024 18:20:18 GMT
But despite its ‘modern tendencies’, I didn’t see an awful lot of obvious symbolism in Lloyds ‘Sunset’, more just a different way of telling the story. I’m sorry if you read it as sneering; it’s more just continued frustration at people bashing it for the sake of it not being what they wanted.
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Post by chernjam on Apr 30, 2024 20:51:06 GMT
Honestly this is going to be interesting on a lot of levels - to see how the Australian production is received critically and by audiences and comparing it with the London and Broadway run to come of Lloyd's version. As one whos love of the show can't be questioned, I felt with the 2017 "revival" with Close that might be the last time I ever saw a full-scale production of this on Broadway. It did good business, but even with a Movie star having won the Tony for the original and the symphony orchestra, it wasn't the sell out I hoped/expected. My fear was that it would be too expensive and story wise the show was dated for modern audiences. The Lloyd revival obviously went in a different direction and thrived in UK. Will see what happens here in the US.
The Australian production looks to be going the more original/traditional route with a star with huge following/name recognition. Really eager to see how it fares.
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Post by theatrefan62 on May 1, 2024 5:37:18 GMT
But despite its ‘modern tendencies’, I didn’t see an awful lot of obvious symbolism in Lloyds ‘Sunset’, more just a different way of telling the story. I’m sorry if you read it as sneering; it’s more just continued frustration at people bashing it for the sake of it not being what they wanted. Or the flipside, people seeing it as a bit of an emperors new clothes situation. But let's face it there are two shows there is no point critiquing on this forum, the Cabaret and sunset revivals. The gate keeping is insane on both. Anyway looking forward to reports on this sunset. The set and styling certainly looks on point. Sarah is my big question mark |
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Post by danb on May 1, 2024 6:24:11 GMT
But despite its ‘modern tendencies’, I didn’t see an awful lot of obvious symbolism in Lloyds ‘Sunset’, more just a different way of telling the story. I’m sorry if you read it as sneering; it’s more just continued frustration at people bashing it for the sake of it not being what they wanted. Or the flipside, people seeing it as a bit of an emperors new clothes situation. But let's face it there are two shows there is no point critiquing on this forum, the Cabaret and sunset revivals. The gate keeping is insane on both. Anyway looking forward to reports on this sunset. The set and styling certainly looks on point. Sarah is my big question mark I can’t believe the staircase is on the right #notmysunset 😂😂😂 But seriously, I totally respect peoples opinion & ‘right’ not to like it. What raised my hackles was Max thinking they’d hit upon the defining point of proof that they were right, like Poirot or something because a line of dialogue had been kept in that was not physically represented. The whole show was bonkers so looking for linear thinking was a none starter to me…is all. ❤️ |
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Post by BurlyBeaR on May 1, 2024 7:55:59 GMT
But despite its ‘modern tendencies’, I didn’t see an awful lot of obvious symbolism in Lloyds ‘Sunset’, more just a different way of telling the story. I’m sorry if you read it as sneering; it’s more just continued frustration at people bashing it for the sake of it not being what they wanted. Or the flipside, people seeing it as a bit of an emperors new clothes situation. But let's face it there are two shows there is no point critiquing on this forum, the Cabaret and sunset revivals. The gate keeping is insane on both.Anyway looking forward to reports on this sunset. The set and styling certainly looks on point. Sarah is my big question mark I think that has been the case with Cabaret in the past but the liberties being taken with casting and prices now might be resulting in the worm turning a bit. |
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Post by max on May 1, 2024 13:49:10 GMT
Or the flipside, people seeing it as a bit of an emperors new clothes situation. But let's face it there are two shows there is no point critiquing on this forum, the Cabaret and sunset revivals. The gate keeping is insane on both. Anyway looking forward to reports on this sunset. The set and styling certainly looks on point. Sarah is my big question mark I can’t believe the staircase is on the right #notmysunset 😂😂😂 But seriously, I totally respect peoples opinion & ‘right’ not to like it. What raised my hackles was Max thinking they’d hit upon the defining point of proof that they were right, like Poirot or something because a line of dialogue had been kept in that was not physically represented. The whole show was bonkers so looking for linear thinking was a none starter to me…is all. ❤️ At no point did I say I'd "hit upon the defining point of proof" that I was right "like Poirot or something". You've defensively projected that onto me, warding off the idea that anyone on this board can view something and question or ask about its reasoning for fear of being accused of 'deducing in public'. If so - what's the point of the board even existing? I asked a genuine question about whether a line of dialogue was in or out, because I couldn't remember. If someone had said 'no they cut the organ line' that would have been interesting to me, in thinking about Lloyd's scheme and his considered choices. Just as someone on this board said they thought it was right that 'The Lady's Paying' was cut because others wouldn't be let into Norma's world in Lloyd's vision of the characters and piece. In that instance a strong logical reasoning behind cuts and changes was put forward - so apparently deducing is allowed after all. Willingness to leave a non sequitur (IF that's what happened) was interesting to me after a comment sparked by the Australian production apparently having more verisimilitude with 'real' old Hollywood and what that can offer or restrict in interpretation now there's been a radical version. |
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Post by danb on May 1, 2024 13:54:12 GMT
Ok.
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Post by magnificentdonkey on May 1, 2024 17:14:43 GMT
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Post by karloscar on May 1, 2024 19:40:44 GMT
Tim must be taking this seriously if the beard has gone!
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Post by BurlyBeaR on May 2, 2024 7:47:07 GMT
No turbans then…
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Post by max on May 2, 2024 9:21:58 GMT
No turbans, but great styling. It reminded me of ALW (ages ago) saying Sarah Brightman looked like English film actress Jessie Matthews, and brief talk of her doing a biopic. I just looked at Wikipedia and Jessie Matthews started in silent films. Brightman does have a look you can imagine in the silent movies, and she works it in that video. |
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Post by anthony40 on May 2, 2024 9:40:48 GMT
I too noticed the lack of turban |
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Post by anthony40 on May 2, 2024 9:44:12 GMT
I wonder if that coat being worn should be made of vicuna?
(Well, you know what you can do with your vicuna?)
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Post by BurlyBeaR on May 2, 2024 9:46:18 GMT
I do think the idea of a relationship between this Norma and Joe seems believable. She’s an attractive woman and he doesn’t look completely wet behind the ears so yeah… why not. I hope she goes full Monty with the acting. Really chew the scenery. Come on Sarah, give the punters what they want.
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Post by rosscoe on May 3, 2024 21:41:30 GMT
This isn’t selling well at all in Melbourne, first preview still has a ton of seats.
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