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Post by Dawnstar on Jun 6, 2024 17:42:46 GMT
“real eiderdown and silence” Gosh, is that the correct lyric? I've spent about 30 years thinking it was "reel out the dark and silence"! |
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Post by max on Jun 6, 2024 17:52:42 GMT
Intriguing stuff @iblamerobots. I've always wondered about versions of 'Evita' pre the commercial release, and what Hal Prince heard. What you say makes sense of the part of his 'first listen' letter to ALW and Tim Rice. I just looked it up again, and it references the King Of England/Buckingham Palace line saying 'you should keep it', but thinking the 'Rainbow Tour' lyrics should also reference it beforehand or it's confusing. As you say, must have been cut for timing purposes rather than quality control.
Others must have been cut or rerecorded (?) for taste purposes - Hal Prince finding 'So Saint Bernadette me' "embarasses" in 'Rainbow High'. Prince was right on that, but couldn't have been more wrong in wanting them to cut 'Dangerous Jade' entirely, before unaccountably going on to say the whole show should be "Contemporary Brecht". The blocks of exaggerated social fanctions in 'Peron's Latest Flame/Dangerous Jade' were the most Brechtian thing in the eventual staging, and Prince and Larry Fuller's work there some of the most feted.
It's a fascinating (and scary) lesson in listening to a legendary director's critique, acting on it, but ignoring the right bits entirely!
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Post by max on Jun 6, 2024 18:03:36 GMT
“real eiderdown and silence” Gosh, is that the correct lyric? I've spent about 30 years thinking it was "reel out the dark and silence"! It sure is (or 'Yes, Oh Yes' as Eva would say) to rhyme with "beautiful town". I think when Hal Prince staged it he did a brilliant thing with the beds: mistress's, then the ornate Eva/Peron marital bed at the centre of 'A New Argentina', then separate beds in an adjoining room, then one remains and is undressed to reveal a hospital bed. From allure, to marital, to sickbed - quite creepy. So that early reference to a torrid love affair with the city, but sometimes time to sleep and rest from it, fits well. But I love misheard lyrics - and 'reel out the dark' has a sensual danger that also fits, so keep singing that! lol One of my favourite ideas for an Evita lyric (read on Twitter ages ago) was the idea that there should have been a pop group called..... Frantic Tumble and the Shy Goodbyes. |
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Post by blamerobots on Jun 6, 2024 21:02:59 GMT
I don't think Tim Rice has ever been able to top "so why go bananas chasing nirvanas".
Buenos Aires does have a crazy rhyming scheme. Success, excess, impress. And I still really love the guitar line on the concept album that was sacrificed for the samba piano.
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Post by Dawnstar on Jun 6, 2024 21:06:13 GMT
It sure is (or 'Yes, Oh Yes' as Eva would say) to rhyme with "beautiful town". I think when Hal Prince staged it he did a brilliant thing with the beds: mistress's, then the ornate Eva/Peron marital bed at the centre of 'A New Argentina', then separate beds in an adjoining room, then one remains and is undressed to reveal a hospital bed. From allure, to marital, to sickbed - quite creepy. So that early reference to a torrid love affair with the city, but sometimes time to sleep and rest from it, fits well. But I love misheard lyrics - and 'reel out the dark' has a sensual danger that also fits, so keep singing that! lol Sadly I never saw the original production - it closed when I was less than a year old so while I could technically have seen it I don't think I would have appreciated it at that age! -so I didn't realise it made a feature of various beds. I'm sure my brain will still default to that lyric even though I now know it's incorrect, as it still does with other originally misheard lyrics. |
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Post by max on Jun 6, 2024 21:17:31 GMT
It sure is (or 'Yes, Oh Yes' as Eva would say) to rhyme with "beautiful town". I think when Hal Prince staged it he did a brilliant thing with the beds: mistress's, then the ornate Eva/Peron marital bed at the centre of 'A New Argentina', then separate beds in an adjoining room, then one remains and is undressed to reveal a hospital bed. From allure, to marital, to sickbed - quite creepy. So that early reference to a torrid love affair with the city, but sometimes time to sleep and rest from it, fits well. But I love misheard lyrics - and 'reel out the dark' has a sensual danger that also fits, so keep singing that! lol Sadly I never saw the original production - it closed when I was less than a year old so while I could technically have seen it I don't think I would have appreciated it at that age! -so I didn't realise it made a feature of various beds. I'm sure my brain will still default to that lyric even though I now know it's incorrect, as it still does with other originally misheard lyrics. I always thought there was a potential misheard lyric the way Julie Covington sang a line of 'High Flying Adored' on the concept album. It's supposed to be 'local girl make good weds famous man', but sounds like 'low callgirl makes good weds famous man'. Eek. I know the sexual politics of the piece can be criticised but you could almost buy that as intentional double meaning (though I'm sure it's not). |
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Post by blamerobots on Jun 6, 2024 21:25:44 GMT
Thought about this ridiculously groovy timbales solo from percussionist Dave Roth in the 2012 production of Evita.
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Post by Dawnstar on Jun 6, 2024 21:32:02 GMT
I always thought there was a potential misheard lyric the way Julie Covington sang a line of 'High Flying Adored' on the concept album. It's supposed to be 'local girl make good weds famous man', but sounds like 'low callgirl makes good weds famous man'. Eek. I know the sexual politics of the piece can be criticised but you could almost buy that as intentional double meaning (though I'm sure it's not). Fortunately I heard that one correctly. Possibly partly because when I first listened to Evita I was aged about 9 or 10 & probably didn't know what a call girl was or possibly because I got to know Evita from the OLC so perhaps Paige pronounced it less ambiguously than Covington. The thing I remember the most about listening to Evita was that, my family tending to be lateish adopters of technology, I first heard it on LP, even though it was the mid-90s at the time. The record player was rather elderly & often refused to play LPs right to the end. So I listened to Evita a number of times with it cutting out during the last number. Then one day for some reason the record played right to the end. I'll never forget the shock I got the first time I heard Che intoning the final lines. |
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Post by BVM on Jun 8, 2024 12:34:20 GMT
Sure this thread already exists but can't find it - mods feel free to merge.
From the end of the Dominic Cavendish Starlight Express article today:
"Lloyd Webber is already steaming ahead with his next big musical - which he says he has completed, though it's subject and title remain under wraps."
So pleased he's still writing music; was worried the Bad Cinderella experience might have put him off for good. Can't wait to hear what it is!
(Amazed in the social media info overload era that you can complete writing a new musical with zero leaking....)
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Post by singingbird on Jun 8, 2024 21:05:11 GMT
Sure this thread already exists but can't find it - mods feel free to merge. From the end of the Dominic Cavendish Starlight Express article today: "Lloyd Webber is already steaming ahead with his next big musical - which he says he has completed, though it's subject and title remain under wraps." So pleased he's still writing music; was worried the Bad Cinderella experience might have put him off for good. Can't wait to hear what it is! (Amazed in the social media info overload era that you can complete writing a new musical with zero leaking....) Whatever this new show is, this is very curious. Of course, his last show was (arguably) terrible, but that doesn't mean the next one will be. ALW is nothing if not inconsistent! Anyway, I'm making a prediction - a very very long shot prediction - that this new show has been written with Tim Rice. |
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Post by singingbird on Jun 8, 2024 21:08:24 GMT
So what is that tune….? It’s played on the concept album by Hank Marvin of The Shadows. It must have been a fun thing for ALW to work with a hero (as with the Everly Brothers later); he’s often said his classical composer father described The Shadows (in the 1960s) as one of the best chamber orchestras. The tune that Hank Marvin played for Evita is very recognisably the opening riff from The Shadows’ 1964 hit ‘Theme For Young Lovers’. SUCH an interesting post. Thank you! I had no idea that the melody Hank Marvin played was from a Shadows track. Wow. That has kind of blown my mind, and added a whole extra dimension to the thematic complexity of the amazing Evita score. |
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Post by chernjam on Jun 9, 2024 1:04:45 GMT
Sure this thread already exists but can't find it - mods feel free to merge. From the end of the Dominic Cavendish Starlight Express article today: "Lloyd Webber is already steaming ahead with his next big musical - which he says he has completed, though it's subject and title remain under wraps." So pleased he's still writing music; was worried the Bad Cinderella experience might have put him off for good. Can't wait to hear what it is! (Amazed in the social media info overload era that you can complete writing a new musical with zero leaking....) Whatever this new show is, this is very curious. Of course, his last show was (arguably) terrible, but that doesn't mean the next one will be. ALW is nothing if not inconsistent! Anyway, I'm making a prediction - a very very long shot prediction - that this new show has been written with Tim Rice. I do remember post-Cinderella (I forget either West End or Broadway) him saying he wanted to tackle something more serious, which I would greatly welcome. Never saw School of Rock or Bad Cinderella, which as a huge ALW fan even surprised me. Now Tim Rice working with him, that would be pretty epic for sure. |
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Post by blamerobots on Jun 9, 2024 2:28:28 GMT
I like School of Rock, but I would like to see a more serious new work for sure.
Webber and Rice seemingly buried the hatchet at least sometime in the 2000s, but it's taken a while to get back to work. They've only recently done something for a play.
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Post by Jon on Jun 9, 2024 9:20:05 GMT
I think ALW should collaborate with someone he hasn't worked with before. ALW meet Pasek and Paul anyone?
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Post by mrbarnaby on Jun 9, 2024 20:05:09 GMT
This is a chilling thought.
Another ragbag of recycled tunes and a desperate attempt to be modern and relevant I suspect.
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Post by karloscar on Jun 9, 2024 20:12:55 GMT
Since Joe Stilgoe has collaborated on a new song for Starlight Express, maybe that's a relationship that could be developed. He's got the musicianship and a strong enough personality to hold his own with ALW.
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Post by alwfan on Jun 10, 2024 8:32:04 GMT
I wonder if it could be Don Black. He recently wrote Lovingly Remembered for the D-day memorial with ALW, and what I've always thought is that when it comes to these one off songs, that he uses whoever he is writing with currently. Of course, he has a long friendship with Don Black, so it might have been because of that too. As to the subject matter, I remember someone here talking about him doing an adaptation of the movie 'A United Kingdom. I don't know if that was what he did in the end as he said in an interview that he was warned against doing a certain musical for fears of cultural appropriation. www.thetimes.com/culture/theatre-dance/article/andrew-lloyd-webber-evita-woke-theatre-2023-whx20zwhc |
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Post by blamerobots on Jun 10, 2024 9:05:57 GMT
I wonder if it could be Don Black. He recently wrote Lovingly Remembered for the D-day memorial with ALW, and what I've always thought is that when it comes to these one off songs, that he uses whoever he is writing with currently. Of course, he has a long friendship with Don Black, so it might have been because of that too. As to the subject matter, I remember someone here talking about him doing an adaptation of the movie 'A United Kingdom. I don't know if that was what he did in the end as he said in an interview that he was warned against doing a certain musical for fears of cultural appropriation. www.thetimes.com/culture/theatre-dance/article/andrew-lloyd-webber-evita-woke-theatre-2023-whx20zwhcThat'd be alright for a collaboration - though, Don Black's newer stuff with ALW hasn't been great. I haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaated Stephen Ward. No good lyrics or tunes in that.
I can only think if it's that, it's likely adapting something older or a foreign work that could be mishandled.
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Post by magician on Nov 19, 2024 10:43:01 GMT
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Post by marob on Nov 19, 2024 16:42:14 GMT
I saw a clip. The way he kept looking directly into the camera I think he was ready for his close up.
But even while holding a cute dog he still manages to end up coming across as unlikeable.
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Post by ceebee on Nov 19, 2024 17:12:36 GMT
Maybe Andrew Lloyd Webber could rewrite Martin Guerre.
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Post by interval99 on Nov 19, 2024 22:11:09 GMT
Fantastic to see the Lord supporting British farmers.
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