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Post by alece10 on Nov 19, 2024 21:08:51 GMT
They really are brutal on Broadway aren't they. Even Opening Night and the revival Aspects of Love lasted longer in London than this
Such a shame as I loved it at the Almeida.
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Post by Jon on Nov 19, 2024 21:41:40 GMT
It's show business, a show isn't going to become a hit if grosses were in the $300k range and there comes a point you have to pull the plug.
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Post by parsley1 on Nov 19, 2024 21:49:08 GMT
It's show business, a show isn't going to become a hit if grosses were in the $300k range and there comes a point you have to pull the plug. EXACTLY Goold should probably stop directing musicals at scale Made in Dagenham Didn’t set the box office alight either Some other sh*te will have it’s turn soon enough anyway good luck to them
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Post by lotster on Nov 19, 2024 22:42:18 GMT
I feel sad about this. I absolutely adored this at the Almeida. Really loved it and thought Katie was amazing. It's hard to know exactly what has gone wrong here, but obviously the theatre/venue was far too big. I really hope it comes back to London, where perhaps a UK audience is more appreciative of the slightly sarcastic/dark/comedic undertones of the show.
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Post by max on Nov 19, 2024 22:59:32 GMT
It's show business, a show isn't going to become a hit if grosses were in the $300k range and there comes a point you have to pull the plug. EXACTLY Goold should probably stop directing musicals at scale Made in Dagenham Didn’t set the box office alight either Some other sh*te will have it’s turn soon enough anyway good luck to them Perhaps Goold could do with some women creatives in his Musical Theatre teams. Some have commented that Tammy Faye wasn't quite the centre of her own show, and we never really got close enough to her or her motivations - attention getting funnelled off to Jimmy and Jerry. Perhaps that was necessary evasion, so the team could avoid ever quite nailing their stance and opinion - but that seems to have tripped them up on Broadway where sensitivities to 'what exactly do you mean by this?' are higher with this close-to-home subject matter. I'd forgotten Goold directed 'Made In Dagenham', until your post. Few would accuse 'Made In Dagenham' of not having women at its centre, but the musical repeated the film's great insult - the prime mover in the industrial action was a million miles from the willowy slim protagonist portrayed. Photographic realism isn't essential (as discussed in another thread right now) but it was sad to see our current culture struggle to take a woman seriously unless she looks 'conventionally pretty', whereas in the late 60s she was a winner who changed industrial relations legislation. The musical then cast someone who had to cede the big impressive money notes to someone else at the end-of-Act-One closer - an earthy soulful singer more fitting to the entire role. (Gemma Arterton is a good actress, and seems a lovely person, so no shade on her btw) Overall a shame about the 'Tammy Faye' - I enjoyed it a lot at the Almeida, but with a nagging feeling the material was being carried by a great cast, rather than surfed on.
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Post by Jon on Nov 19, 2024 23:31:54 GMT
EXACTLY Goold should probably stop directing musicals at scale Made in Dagenham Didn’t set the box office alight either Some other sh*te will have it’s turn soon enough anyway good luck to them Perhaps Goold could do with some women creatives in his Musical Theatre teams. Some have commented that Tammy Faye wasn't quite the centre of her own show, and we never really got close enough to her or her motivations - attention getting funnelled off to Jimmy and Jerry. Perhaps that was necessary evasion, so the team could avoid ever quite nailing their stance and opinion - but that seems to have tripped them up on Broadway where sensitivities to 'what exactly do you mean by this?' are higher with this close-to-home subject matter. I'd forgotten Goold directed 'Made In Dagenham', until your post. Few would accuse 'Made In Dagenham' of not having women at its centre, but the musical repeated the film's great insult - the prime mover in the industrial action was a million miles from the willowy slim protagonist portrayed. Photographic realism isn't essential (as discussed in another thread right now) but it was sad to see our current culture struggle to take a woman seriously unless she looks 'conventionally pretty', whereas in the late 60s she was a winner who changed industrial relations legislation. The musical then cast someone who had to cede the big impressive money notes to someone else at the end-of-Act-One closer - an earthy soulful singer more fitting to the entire role. (Gemma Arterton is a good actress, and seems a lovely person, so no shade on her btw) Overall a shame about the 'Tammy Faye' - I enjoyed it a lot at the Almeida, but with a nagging feeling the material was being carried by a great cast, rather than surfed on. Goold's only real success with musicals is remounting Oliver! back in 2008 when Sam Mendes wasn't available. He's a great play director but for some reason, he's never quite cracked success with commercial musicals.
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Post by bobbievanhusen on Nov 20, 2024 0:35:07 GMT
So I saw this last week on my trip to NYC - in fact, it was one of the main reasons I was going, as I loved it so much at the Almeida.
I still really liked the show, but it was a bit of a disappointment. I said this before, but I don't believe Tammy Faye is a big show, and the overblown production with added bells and whistles, was lost in the barn that is The Palace theatre.
There were quite a few changes and i'd say that probably half the songs in Act 1 had different lyrics and there were bigger changes in the 2nd half, with run this town being cut and 'Don't Shine A Light' added. Borle was miscast, Cerveris was lost in the mix and Katie Brayben belted her little heart out and got massive cheers for all her numbers and made more than a few people shed a tear at the end.
I'm still jet lagged, but will write more about the specific changes later this week.
I now have a tshirt from both the London and NYC production. They'll go into a vault and be the stuff of legend when i'm old!
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Post by parsley1 on Nov 20, 2024 0:35:09 GMT
EXACTLY Goold should probably stop directing musicals at scale Made in Dagenham Didn’t set the box office alight either Some other sh*te will have it’s turn soon enough anyway good luck to them Perhaps Goold could do with some women creatives in his Musical Theatre teams. Some have commented that Tammy Faye wasn't quite the centre of her own show, and we never really got close enough to her or her motivations - attention getting funnelled off to Jimmy and Jerry. Perhaps that was necessary evasion, so the team could avoid ever quite nailing their stance and opinion - but that seems to have tripped them up on Broadway where sensitivities to 'what exactly do you mean by this?' are higher with this close-to-home subject matter. I'd forgotten Goold directed 'Made In Dagenham', until your post. Few would accuse 'Made In Dagenham' of not having women at its centre, but the musical repeated the film's great insult - the prime mover in the industrial action was a million miles from the willowy slim protagonist portrayed. Photographic realism isn't essential (as discussed in another thread right now) but it was sad to see our current culture struggle to take a woman seriously unless she looks 'conventionally pretty', whereas in the late 60s she was a winner who changed industrial relations legislation. The musical then cast someone who had to cede the big impressive money notes to someone else at the end-of-Act-One closer - an earthy soulful singer more fitting to the entire role. (Gemma Arterton is a good actress, and seems a lovely person, so no shade on her btw) Overall a shame about the 'Tammy Faye' - I enjoyed it a lot at the Almeida, but with a nagging feeling the material was being carried by a great cast, rather than surfed on. I think he is a very British director An excellent one But limited in US success MID was like a play with songs I didn’t mind it
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Post by andypandy on Nov 20, 2024 6:11:25 GMT
Announced closing
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Post by shownut on Nov 20, 2024 7:45:42 GMT
So I saw this last week on my trip to NYC - in fact, it was one of the main reasons I was going, as I loved it so much at the Almeida. I still really liked the show, but it was a bit of a disappointment. I said this before, but I don't believe Tammy Faye is a big show, and the overblown production with added bells and whistles, was lost in the barn that is The Palace theatre. There were quite a few changes and i'd say that probably half the songs in Act 1 had different lyrics and there were bigger changes in the 2nd half, with run this town being cut and 'Don't Shine A Light' added. Borle was miscast, Cerveris was lost in the mix and Katie Brayben belted her little heart out and got massive cheers for all her numbers and made more than a few people shed a tear at the end. I'm still jet lagged, but will write more about the specific changes later this week. I now have a tshirt from both the London and NYC production. They'll go into a vault and be the stuff of legend when i'm old! I look forward to hearing more and will remain sorry I couldn't get to NYC to see the revised production. I liked the Almeida production and thought it had a ton of promise.
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Post by paplazaroo on Nov 20, 2024 9:51:16 GMT
It's interesting that this had the same critical response and journey to Broadway that Enron had; I guess Goold didn't learn the lesson that Americans don't like having their institutions brit-splained to them.
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Post by craig on Nov 20, 2024 10:26:42 GMT
We are never getting a cast recording of this show, what a shame. This is the major shame of it all for me.
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Post by Phantom of London on Nov 20, 2024 10:37:40 GMT
To lift a production to the Almeida to Broadway biggest theatre, what could go wrong?
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Post by mrbarnaby on Nov 20, 2024 12:15:02 GMT
Really hope they do a cast album though. Chances are pretty slim though I guess now.
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Post by bobbievanhusen on Nov 20, 2024 12:37:51 GMT
It's interesting that this had the same critical response and journey to Broadway that Enron had; I guess Goold didn't learn the lesson that Americans don't like having their institutions brit-splained to them. What was Tammy Faye 'brit-splaining' to them about?
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Post by shownut on Nov 20, 2024 12:45:07 GMT
Really hope they do a cast album though. Chances are pretty slim though I guess now. I think it is still possible. Lots of shows that flop still do cast recordings - if they want to see any future productions get liscensed it is pretty much a must. DIANA, ZHIVAGO, ALMOST FAMOUS, TUCK EVERLASTING, LEMPICKA are just a handful of flops from past seasons that got recorded and none could boast a score written by a world famous, legendary, chart-topping composer. I would be heartbroken if it didn't happen as I thought the score had some terrific moments and Katie's performance deserves to preserved.
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Post by PineappleForYou on Nov 20, 2024 15:56:32 GMT
Really hope they do a cast album though. Chances are pretty slim though I guess now. I think it is still possible. Lots of shows that flop still do cast recordings - if they want to see any future productions get liscensed it is pretty much a must. DIANA, ZHIVAGO, ALMOST FAMOUS, TUCK EVERLASTING, LEMPICKA are just a handful of flops from past seasons that got recorded and none could boast a score written by a world famous, legendary, chart-topping composer. I would be heartbroken if it didn't happen as I thought the score had some terrific moments and Katie's performance deserves to preserved. I agree. If anything, it's more of a reason to make an album. As someone pointed out (I can't remember if it was on this board or elsewhere on the Internet) big Broadway flops usually go on to get cult followings. Look at Merrily or Carrie. What new theatre fans would listen to the cast recording of "just another show" like Days of Wine and Roses or How to Dance in Ohio in 10 years time? But a biblical sized flop, well, now I'm intrigued and I'm going to search out the recording. If you're going to flop, flop big and be talked about for years to come. So you might as well play the long game and I think producers and creatives realise that. Also, what was the last original Broadway musical (not revival or jukebox) from previous seasons that didn't get a cast recording? (Bad) Cinderella had the London recording and Here Lies Love had the Off Broadway recording. I think King Kong was the last not to get a recording?
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Post by kit66 on Nov 20, 2024 16:31:57 GMT
They couldn't get a sound booth big enough for King Kong 🦍
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Post by caa on Nov 20, 2024 16:47:28 GMT
Really hope they do a cast album though. Chances are pretty slim though I guess now. I thought there was a London cast recording made?
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Post by shownut on Nov 20, 2024 17:25:22 GMT
Really hope they do a cast album though. Chances are pretty slim though I guess now. I thought there was a London cast recording made? From what I heard, they only recorded five tracks and not the whole show. One would presume those were for promotional purposes when the show came to Broadway but never heard anything more of them.
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Post by danb on Nov 20, 2024 18:01:05 GMT
I bet Elaine has a few tracks stashed in her magic box of exclusive tracks that she busts out every now & then.
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Post by anthony40 on Nov 20, 2024 19:09:17 GMT
Elton has worked to hard and invested too much to just let this slip away.
I am confident (at least) of a cast recording.
Every show he's written has written, with the exception of The Devil Wears Prada- that too will come, in time, had had a cast recording.
The Lion King and AIDA fall under the restrictions of Disney.
Billy Elliott not only had a cast recording, but a Blu-Ray/DVD release.
I guess we'll just have to wait and see.
I guess it depends on the terms of the contracts.
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Post by mattnyc on Nov 20, 2024 19:27:22 GMT
“Lestat” has one, yet it’ll never be released.
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Post by paplazaroo on Nov 21, 2024 7:21:21 GMT
It's interesting that this had the same critical response and journey to Broadway that Enron had; I guess Goold didn't learn the lesson that Americans don't like having their institutions brit-splained to them. Tammy Faye, the rise of Tele evangelists and Christian nationalism in the states. A few reviews I read said it was punching down at the working class of America. You’d think it would be Uber relevant considering recent events but same with Enron which wasn’t so long after the financial crisis, the Americans don’t like us reflecting their country back at them imo. For what it’s worth I thought Enron was great and this was alright, just not outstanding enough as a musical.
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Post by Jan on Nov 21, 2024 7:41:35 GMT
It's show business, a show isn't going to become a hit if grosses were in the $300k range and there comes a point you have to pull the plug. EXACTLY Goold should probably stop directing musicals at scale Made in Dagenham Didn’t set the box office alight either He directed that American Psycho musical too didn't he which didn't do as well as they hoped on its Broadway transfer.
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