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Post by marob on Feb 10, 2023 23:30:18 GMT
To be fair she does mention in one of the videos the show’s Instagram reposted that it’s ‘slightly different’ to how it sounds in the show. A DJ Webz remix?
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Post by chernjam on Feb 12, 2023 23:34:00 GMT
Yeah the new single recording definitely missed the mark for me. But I assume that I'm not the one they are targeting with this.
Who that might actually be, I'm not sure.
The whole thing feels bizarre. First off, the preview periods are over 6 weeks. I think that's longer than the West End preview period. And I didn't realize that the opening falls the day after ALW's birthday. So the previews began the day before POTO was supposed to close and now the opening is after his birthday. Just feels awkward across the board.
Meanwhile POTO has been sold out since they announced it was closing in September. Foolishly they look like they are barrelling towards closing in April when they could easily have it continue and continue selling out through the summer... But what do I know?
Anyway - I was interested in Cinderella/Bad Cinderella when I first heard some of the music during the lockdowns. And was happy to hear that the Broadway orchestra will be 18 members. But worry that they're going heavy camp on this making it more along School of Rock musical comedy type of thing.
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Post by mattnyc on Feb 13, 2023 3:44:32 GMT
I’m seeing the first preview next week and can post here if anyone wants, about the differences.
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Post by singingbird on Feb 13, 2023 9:28:09 GMT
I’m seeing the first preview next week and can post here if anyone wants, about the differences. Yes please!! |
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Post by marob on Feb 16, 2023 19:57:42 GMT
Interesting to see that Linedy Genao was cast a year ago today. She must have been looking at what was happening in the final days of West End version and wondering what the hell she’d signed up to.
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Post by mattnyc on Feb 17, 2023 1:46:57 GMT
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Post by Someone in a tree on Feb 17, 2023 13:11:23 GMT
Looks like a wetherpsoons carpet
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Post by stuartmcd on Feb 17, 2023 17:46:54 GMT
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Post by keekio2 on Feb 17, 2023 17:58:16 GMT
At least Cinderella can dance now
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Post by matty on Feb 17, 2023 19:20:25 GMT
Ummm...
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Post by marob on Feb 17, 2023 19:44:45 GMT
This is actually quite nice.
Well wishes from some of ALW’s past leading ladies. The ones that are still speaking to him, at any rate.
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Post by jgblunners on Feb 17, 2023 20:56:34 GMT
Oh dear, those vocals aren’t very pleasant… |
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Post by intoanewlife on Feb 17, 2023 23:01:47 GMT
Poor Grace Mclean...one of the most talented people on earth...wtf...talk about a fall from grace...
From the greatest musical of the 21st Century...to an artist in residence at the Lincoln Centre...to writing and starring in 2 very successful Off Broadway productions...to this utter trash...
I hope she earns enough to pay for her required therapy when it's all over in a month x
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Post by intoanewlife on Feb 17, 2023 23:11:24 GMT
Oh dear, those vocals aren’t very pleasant… Yikes... |
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Post by andypandy on Feb 18, 2023 0:17:02 GMT
This is actually quite nice. Well wishes from some of ALW’s past leading ladies. The ones that are still speaking to him, at any rate. CUTE!! No Patti or Carrie H Fletcher? eek. On a serious note. There IS a good show in there somewhere - it JUST needs to know its tone and audience - as well as a new set, new book, half a new score (half thrown away) the fairy-godmother role completely rewritten, the end of Act 1 totally reworked, the necklace/locket sub-plot looked at, a look at the fact that all the characters hates each other, new chorus songs and a proper duet (or two) in the show. It also needs to be alternative woke/progressive for a reason - not for the 2023 cheesy and tedious sake of it. What IS the message of the show? To conform or not? London was not clear at all. Good luck to them all - I personally don't think all theses changes can/will be made in one year since the dreadful show i saw in London. |
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Post by fiyerorocher on Feb 18, 2023 1:29:00 GMT
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Post by Oliver on Feb 18, 2023 9:46:55 GMT
On a serious note. There IS a good show in there somewhere - it JUST needs to know its tone and audience - as well as a new set, new book, half a new score (half thrown away) the fairy-godmother role completely rewritten, the end of Act 1 totally reworked, the necklace/locket sub-plot looked at, a look at the fact that all the characters hates each other, new chorus songs and a proper duet (or two) in the show. It also needs to be alternative woke/progressive for a reason - not for the 2023 cheesy and tedious sake of it. What IS the message of the show? To conform or not? London was not clear at all. Good luck to them all - I personally don't think all theses changes can/will be made in one year since the dreadful show i saw in London. It's not meant to be alternative woke / progressive. In fact, that's the clever aspect to Fennel's book, it leads the audience's expectations towards thinking it's going to be, by setting up the traditional fairytale only for it to be turned on its head (or so it seems), but Cinderella actually turns out to be the opposite of the rebel she initially appears, and it's ultimately a conventional old-fashioned fairytale love story. As for saying that half the songs should be thrown out, I disagree. I think they were right to cut "Sea Witch" from the original and my other contender would likely be "I know I have a heart". That is not to say that every other song in Cinderella is among my favourite ALW songs, of course not, but his musicals have form, I don't see them as a collection of songs that you can arbitarily remove and replace. |
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Post by steve10086 on Feb 18, 2023 9:49:59 GMT
On a serious note. There IS a good show in there somewhere - it JUST needs to know its tone and audience - as well as a new set, new book, half a new score (half thrown away) the fairy-godmother role completely rewritten, the end of Act 1 totally reworked, the necklace/locket sub-plot looked at, a look at the fact that all the characters hates each other, new chorus songs and a proper duet (or two) in the show. It also needs to be alternative woke/progressive for a reason - not for the 2023 cheesy and tedious sake of it. What IS the message of the show? To conform or not? London was not clear at all. Good luck to them all - I personally don't think all theses changes can/will be made in one year since the dreadful show i saw in London. It's not meant to be alternative woke / progressive. In fact, that's the clever aspect to Fennel's book, it leads the audience's expectations towards thinking it's going to be, by setting up the traditional fairytale only for it to be turned on its head (or so it seems), but Cinderella actually turns out to not be the rebel she initially appears and it's a conventional old-fashioned fairytale love story. As for saying that half the songs should be thrown out, I disagree. I think they were right to cut "Sea Witch" from the original and my other contender would likely be "I know I have a heart". That is not to say that every other song in Cinderella is among my favourite ALW songs, of course not, but his musicals have form, I don't see them as a collection of songs that you can arbitarily remove and replace. I would argue that the creatives certainly do think this is progressive/woke. But as with all aspects of the show… they are wrong. |
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Post by Oliver on Feb 18, 2023 9:57:15 GMT
It's not meant to be alternative woke / progressive. In fact, that's the clever aspect to Fennel's book, it leads the audience's expectations towards thinking it's going to be, by setting up the traditional fairytale only for it to be turned on its head (or so it seems), but Cinderella actually turns out to not be the rebel she initially appears and it's a conventional old-fashioned fairytale love story. As for saying that half the songs should be thrown out, I disagree. I think they were right to cut "Sea Witch" from the original and my other contender would likely be "I know I have a heart". That is not to say that every other song in Cinderella is among my favourite ALW songs, of course not, but his musicals have form, I don't see them as a collection of songs that you can arbitarily remove and replace. I would argue that the creatives certainly do think this is progressive/woke. But as with all aspects of the show… they are wrong. Yes, I'm sure they want to have their cake and eat it. While I think Fennel playing with the modern / conventional aspects of the story is quite clever, none of it works dramatically. That it's an enjoyable show is almost entirely down to ALWs contributions (yet again) and Zippel to a lesser extent. He needs better collaborators. |
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Post by andypandy on Feb 18, 2023 10:12:04 GMT
On a serious note. There IS a good show in there somewhere - it JUST needs to know its tone and audience - as well as a new set, new book, half a new score (half thrown away) the fairy-godmother role completely rewritten, the end of Act 1 totally reworked, the necklace/locket sub-plot looked at, a look at the fact that all the characters hates each other, new chorus songs and a proper duet (or two) in the show. It also needs to be alternative woke/progressive for a reason - not for the 2023 cheesy and tedious sake of it. What IS the message of the show? To conform or not? London was not clear at all. Good luck to them all - I personally don't think all theses changes can/will be made in one year since the dreadful show i saw in London. It's not meant to be alternative woke / progressive. In fact, that's the clever aspect to Fennel's book, it leads the audience's expectations towards thinking it's going to be, by setting up the traditional fairytale only for it to be turned on its head (or so it seems), but Cinderella actually turns out to be the opposite of the rebel she initially appears, and it's ultimately a conventional old-fashioned fairytale love story. As for saying that half the songs should be thrown out, I disagree. I think they were right to cut "Sea Witch" from the original and my other contender would likely be "I know I have a heart". That is not to say that every other song in Cinderella is among my favourite ALW songs, of course not, but his musicals have form, I don't see them as a collection of songs that you can arbitarily remove and replace. Of COURSE the show is meant to be progressive and woke. Andrew has basically said over the past 4 years that its a modern retelling of the classic fairytale. Andrew's main point of adding mixed race casting, gay characters (both no bad thing) to a complicated modern TikTok ideology of beauty, self love and conformity in 2020 was exactly the reason why he created this show. That's his "progressive" - exactly the same way he rewrote Starlight adding female engines, giving Dinah brown hair and changing other characters, songs and roles most famously making Poppa - Mamma! Andrew is trying to be hip, current and cool and failing. Sadly these woke changes in Starlight and the whole idea of a progressive Cinderella (at least written so badly) are mostly terrible. This is nowhere near the standard of the modern theatre classics of Six, Hamilton, &JULIET etc. |
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Post by BurlyBeaR on Feb 18, 2023 10:13:12 GMT
Bless them…
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Post by christya on Feb 18, 2023 10:13:54 GMT
That is a lovely dress. One of the things I disliked about the original is that the ball gown made Cinderella look a bit ridiculous (despite the script, etc saying she looked amazing). Linedy's vocals might make me want to shove cheese in my ears, but she'll look lovely in that dress onstage. |
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Post by BurlyBeaR on Feb 18, 2023 10:15:35 GMT
They’re making her wear that hideous grey pompadour wig in the ball scene, I hear. Poor thing.
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Post by Oliver on Feb 18, 2023 10:27:20 GMT
It's not meant to be alternative woke / progressive. In fact, that's the clever aspect to Fennel's book, it leads the audience's expectations towards thinking it's going to be, by setting up the traditional fairytale only for it to be turned on its head (or so it seems), but Cinderella actually turns out to be the opposite of the rebel she initially appears, and it's ultimately a conventional old-fashioned fairytale love story. As for saying that half the songs should be thrown out, I disagree. I think they were right to cut "Sea Witch" from the original and my other contender would likely be "I know I have a heart". That is not to say that every other song in Cinderella is among my favourite ALW songs, of course not, but his musicals have form, I don't see them as a collection of songs that you can arbitarily remove and replace. Of COURSE the show is meant to be progressive and woke. Andrew has basically said over the past 4 years that its a modern retelling of the classic fairytale. Andrew's main point of adding mixed race casting, gay characters (both no bad thing) to a complicated modern TikTok ideology of beauty, self love and conformity in 2020 was exactly the reason why he created this show. That's his "progressive" - exactly the same way he rewrote Starlight adding female engines, giving Dinah brown hair and changing other characters, songs and roles most famously making Poppa - Mamma! Andrew is trying to be hip, current and cool and failing. Sadly these woke changes in Starlight and the whole idea of a progressive Cinderella (at least written so badly) are mostly terrible. This is nowhere near the standard of the modern theatre classics of Six, Hamilton, &JULIET etc. They want it to be a modern retelling of the story, sure, but would you not agree that at the heart of the story is a conventional romance? What I mean by 'conventional' is an old fashioned and romantic fairytale-style romance, which is depicted musically with songs like "Only You, Lonely You". This works in opposition to the "modern take" idea. |
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Post by fiyerorocher on Feb 18, 2023 11:07:00 GMT
At least they managed to choreograph bows for their first preview. It look them a while in London! |
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