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Post by jojo on Jul 25, 2022 22:22:16 GMT
I have a feeling this will be the Conservative version of when Labour chose the wrong milliband to lead them and then lost election. I read something online that described the modern Tory party, at least during this leadership election, as having morphed into a Mrs Thatcher cargo cult, and I can't shake it because it's a bit too close to the mark for comfort. They keep trying to channel her, or make reference to what she did or would do, whilst not doing or saying anything that she'd actually approve of. Whether or not you loved or loathed Thatcher, she wouldn't have stood for half of the nonsense that's gone on in the party in the last decade.
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Post by lynette on Jul 25, 2022 22:38:42 GMT
Fish rots from the head, doesn’t it?
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Post by Mr Snow on Jul 26, 2022 14:12:48 GMT
I would love to offer an opinion but I've learnt my lesson.
Last time round I was so sure that they'd never even let Boris through to the final pair, that I went to two different bookies and asked for the odds on "anyone but Boris"? Neither would give me a price.
Only money he's ever saved me.
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Post by oxfordsimon on Jul 26, 2022 18:06:26 GMT
Presenter of tonight's debate fainted and collapsed part way through. Adds to the drama.
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Post by karloscar on Jul 26, 2022 18:42:07 GMT
That's one way of getting away from them. If only Sophie Rayworth had thought of it last night...
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Post by Jon on Jul 26, 2022 18:43:25 GMT
Liz Truss looked startled which TBF is a totally normal reaction to someone fainting.
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Post by oxfordsimon on Jul 26, 2022 18:58:54 GMT
She went over to offer help which is another natural human reaction.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2022 21:28:11 GMT
Poor Liz has will have a less than flattering picture plastered all over the papers tomorrow! Yes, it will be interesting to see how that plays out. Will people mock, or will it humanise her? Certainly a birthday she won’t forget in a hurry!
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Post by d'James on Jul 26, 2022 23:18:25 GMT
It was kind of humanising but she still had to look to her right to check what to do.
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Post by danb on Jul 28, 2022 9:37:57 GMT
Whoever gets it hopefully won’t be there too long. Whilst it may not end up being any better with a new government…what do they say? ‘A change is as good as a rest?’….I think new relationships are needed with the EU and the USA to help with the cost of living.
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Post by karloscar on Aug 3, 2022 19:06:31 GMT
Could this get any wackier? Now Sunak wants to detain and "re-educate" anyone who seeks to vilify Britain without defining the terms of what that actually means. It might be a bit expensive if they have to lock up 50% of Northern Ireland and possibly even more in Scotland. Granted it's aimed at potential terrorists, but it's deliberately so vague that it could be read as anyone who speaks out of turn can be locked up on a whim. And I thought Truss Dorries Moggy and Patel were on the batsh*t crazy team.
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Post by lynette on Aug 3, 2022 19:16:33 GMT
George Orwell was a prophet.
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Post by olliebean on Aug 3, 2022 20:04:07 GMT
Could this get any wackier? Now Sunak wants to detain and "re-educate" anyone who seeks to vilify Britain without defining the terms of what that actually means. It might be a bit expensive if they have to lock up 50% of Northern Ireland and possibly even more in Scotland. Granted it's aimed at potential terrorists, but it's deliberately so vague that it could be read as anyone who speaks out of turn can be locked up on a whim. And I thought Truss Dorries Moggy and Patel were on the batsh*t crazy team. He has implied that they're pretty much only going to be bothered with Muslims.
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Post by karloscar on Aug 3, 2022 21:22:09 GMT
Could this get any wackier? Now Sunak wants to detain and "re-educate" anyone who seeks to vilify Britain without defining the terms of what that actually means. It might be a bit expensive if they have to lock up 50% of Northern Ireland and possibly even more in Scotland. Granted it's aimed at potential terrorists, but it's deliberately so vague that it could be read as anyone who speaks out of turn can be locked up on a whim. And I thought Truss Dorries Moggy and Patel were on the batsh*t crazy team. He has implied that they're pretty much only going to be bothered with Muslims. And of course we can take their word for that! All the lies and U-turns mean that nobody is safe with these numptie Fascists in charge.
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Post by Peter on Aug 3, 2022 22:15:49 GMT
It’s just another poorly thought out soundbite aimed squarely at appealing to the ‘old and bald’ that make up the core of the Tory party.
Equally funny as Truss’ spectacularly stupid ‘let’s have a go at public sector workers’ policy which didn’t even last the day - though she insists that she cancelled it because it was ‘misrepresented’, not that it was unworkable and moronic…
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Post by olliebean on Aug 4, 2022 10:58:31 GMT
He has implied that they're pretty much only going to be bothered with Muslims. And of course we can take their word for that! All the lies and U-turns mean that nobody is safe with these numptie Fascists in charge. For the avoidance of doubt, I wasn't suggesting it would be a good thing to make the programme more Islamophobic. Fwiw, I'd sooner they put more emphasis on the growing danger of extreme right-wing radicalisation, but it seems that any attempts to tackle that, or even to acknowledge it, are frowned upon.
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Post by crowblack on Aug 4, 2022 11:42:34 GMT
I know this is stating the obvious but Labour needs to sort itself out and I'm not sure it can. This winter is going to feel like the 1970s. Something very dark could emerge from that without serious adult, sensible, level-headed leadership.
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Post by NeilVHughes on Aug 4, 2022 11:53:34 GMT
Maybe we should change the title to ‘Who in their right mind would want to be the next PM?’
The Bank of England report today makes frightening reading.
When we had a situation similar to today in the 70’s / 90’s there was a welfare state that provided a liveable safety net for those impacted and personal debt whether secured or unsecured was miniscule in comparison and therefore interest rates being less impactful.
Inflation is a year on year metric so saying inflation will be above 10% throughout next year we will see in reality our cost of living rise by nearly 25% since the end of 2021, difficult for those who are considered well off and near impossible for those on an average wage or below amplified by wage increases being significantly less than the inflation rate.
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Post by karloscar on Aug 4, 2022 11:56:38 GMT
Labour scraping into power won't change anything unless they change their attitude to working with other parties, get rid of FPTP, abolish the House of Lords and provide proper devolution for England's regions. Otherwise it'll be back to square one within a few years with the Tories back in power.
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Post by theglenbucklaird on Aug 4, 2022 13:09:49 GMT
I know this is stating the obvious but Labour needs to sort itself out and I'm not sure it can. This winter is going to feel like the 1970s. Something very dark could emerge from that without serious adult, sensible, level-headed leadership. Isn't Starmer sensible, level headed?
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Post by vdcni on Aug 4, 2022 15:18:31 GMT
As Labour aren't going to be in power this winter there's a limit to what them showing sensible, level headed leadership can achieve and yes Starmer is displaying those things. His issues lie elsewhere.
Arguably if anything Labour need to be bolder about what measures they are calling for in an attempt to pressure the government into doing something.
It would be nice if the government could wake up at some point and realise bitching about wokeness is not a solution to anyone's problems.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 4, 2022 15:39:43 GMT
I know this is stating the obvious but Labour needs to sort itself out and I'm not sure it can. This winter is going to feel like the 1970s. Something very dark could emerge from that without serious adult, sensible, level-headed leadership. Isn't Starmer sensible, level headed? Ask him what a woman is - then you’ll find out pretty quickly how sensible and level-headed he is…
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Post by NeilVHughes on Aug 4, 2022 16:14:24 GMT
I believe it is the same when you ask what a man is, impossible to define legally and not as simple as first thought in biological terms.
This is why it has become a gotcha question as there is no universal definition, is a man who in an accident lost his penis still a man, there are hermaphrodites who are assigned a gender at birth but by definition are intersex and many who are transgender clearly state their ‘mind’ is a different gender to their body. I for one cannot imagine the bravery of a transgender person who transitions knowing they will be vilified for being who they are.
Have to admit I am happy when Starmer is being criticised for this as it shows the lack of any real criticism and shows the depth of thought he gave when answering, he is unable in law or gender to give a black and white answer to what is in reality a very complex question, a great trait for someone who has ambition of power.
Please be kind if you disagree with me, transgender people are not cannon fodder in your faux ‘woke’ war and have already made the most difficult decision imaginable and do not deserve being a Political football.
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Post by theglenbucklaird on Aug 4, 2022 21:12:53 GMT
Isn't Starmer sensible, level headed? Ask him what a woman is - then you’ll find out pretty quickly how sensible and level-headed he is… I wouldn’t vote for his Labour Party. Far too right wing for me. But he is sensible isn’t he? It was just the original comment that shocked me
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Post by Phantom of London on Aug 4, 2022 22:59:56 GMT
The left wing vote is one that is divided. Where the right isn’t, that is how Johnson re-elected.
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