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Post by mrbarnaby on Jun 5, 2022 21:38:38 GMT
Oh cute, patronising. As you were. Glad that’s settled. I’d like Myles Frost to open the show here. It’s truly a sensational performance and I’m rooting for him to win that Tony.
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Post by mrnutz on Jun 6, 2022 9:35:10 GMT
Awful. What's next, Jimmy Savile: The Musical?
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Post by ladidah on Jun 6, 2022 10:05:42 GMT
His music and story are tainted for me now, surprised to see this come back when the other Michael Jackson show a few years back did really badly.
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Post by mrbarnaby on Jun 6, 2022 10:23:23 GMT
Awful. What's next, Jimmy Savile: The Musical? Please point me in the direction of any news articles that cover him being convicted of anything? I haven’t seen them.
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Post by oxfordsimon on Jun 6, 2022 10:38:40 GMT
Savile never faced the courts but there is no doubting his guilt.
Although of a different nature, the allegations about Jackson are serious enough to leave question marks as to whether his life should be celebrated.
I can separate the man from his music which is why a show like Thriller is less problematic as it is essentially a fancy concert.
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Post by Jon on Jun 6, 2022 18:20:54 GMT
Although I love Mamma Mia! I do prefer biomusicals like Tina, Jersey Boys, Beautiful etc because at least the story and the songs work in harmony when it's about the singer or singers themselves rather than shoehorning pop songs into a new or existing story.
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Post by BurlyBeaR on Jun 6, 2022 18:42:03 GMT
What was the first ever juke box musical?
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Post by robertb213 on Jun 6, 2022 18:53:38 GMT
I think Singin' In The Rain is technically a jukebox musical, a lot of the songs existed prior to the film and they were re-used. That's the oldest one I can think of!
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Post by mrbarnaby on Jun 6, 2022 19:12:34 GMT
Savile never faced the courts but there is no doubting his guilt. Although of a different nature, the allegations about Jackson are serious enough to leave question marks as to whether his life should be celebrated. I can separate the man from his music which is why a show like Thriller is less problematic as it is essentially a fancy concert. I meant Michael Jackson
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Post by Jon on Jun 6, 2022 19:22:49 GMT
I think Singin' In The Rain is technically a jukebox musical, a lot of the songs existed prior to the film and they were re-used. That's the oldest one I can think of! Looking at Wikipedia, it seems the earliest example of a musical to use pre existing songs was Yankee Doodle Dandy in 1942.
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Post by oxfordsimon on Jun 6, 2022 19:26:21 GMT
There is an argument that the first jukebox piece of musical theatre was The Beggar's Opera.
That took folk tunes and popular songs of the time, mixed in a few bits of opera to create the score.
And that was nearly 300 years ago
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Post by oxfordsimon on Jun 6, 2022 21:16:37 GMT
Savile never faced the courts but there is no doubting his guilt. Although of a different nature, the allegations about Jackson are serious enough to leave question marks as to whether his life should be celebrated. I can separate the man from his music which is why a show like Thriller is less problematic as it is essentially a fancy concert. I meant Michael Jackson I know who you were taking about and that is why I responded with 2 paragraphs why I wasn't certain a show celebrating his life was appropriate.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 22, 2022 19:56:15 GMT
The pro-shot performances the show is releasing is selling it to me
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Post by Jon on Jun 22, 2022 21:10:24 GMT
I have to admit, I really want to see it.
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Post by Matt on Jun 22, 2022 22:35:33 GMT
I’m really really annoyed I didn’t see this whilst in NYC in April. I do have issues with Michael Jackson and celebrating him as a person though, but to some extent I can separate the artist from the art.
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Post by inthenose on Jun 23, 2022 5:17:44 GMT
Gotta say, this looks rather brilliant...
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Post by viserys on Jun 23, 2022 5:40:57 GMT
I didn't hate Thriller Live, which seemed to be the most-hated show on the forum while it ran, and this looks much more professional and classy. Also a sure-fire money spinner. Wouldn't rush out to see it immediately, but wouldn't mind seeing it for the dancing. At least Michael Jackson was part of my generation's soundtrack. The older stuff (Drifters, now Temptations coming in) leaves me completely cold.
Would like for Ivano Turco to get a chance to really shine in a great leading part after the fairly drippy princeling and all the negativity now sticking to Cinderella like old gum to a shoe.
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Post by danb on Jun 23, 2022 10:11:52 GMT
If he can sing it too that’d be great. I was crazy for MJ across the ‘Bad’ tour period. He was a fantastic ‘live’ performer and those shows were lightening in a bottle moments. His later tours were all a bit derivative, but along with Madonna’s ‘Who's That Girl’ & ‘Blonde Ambition’ I think he started the modern pop show.
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Post by BurlyBeaR on Jun 23, 2022 17:32:32 GMT
Gotta say, this looks rather brilliant... It does but it won’t be getting my ££. I also think it’s questionable to introduce dance legends like Fred Astaire and others to “normalise” MJ or to somehow classify him as equal. No. Also I don’t think they should conflate these icons with the weirdo that was MJ. Even if you take the alleged paedophilia out of the equation his life was far far far from normal and nothing that should be held up as an example. The tragedy of his plastic surgery, the spending, the children who were very obviously nothing to do with him other than him claiming fatherhood. It’s a total sh*t show. Thrre is nothing about Michael Jackson that merits celebration.
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Post by inthenose on Jun 23, 2022 17:41:59 GMT
Well it's definitely a show I'll be seeing, each to their own.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2022 18:12:43 GMT
Gotta say, this looks rather brilliant... It does but it won’t be getting my ££. I also think it’s questionable to introduce dance legends like Fred Astaire and others to “normalise” MJ or to somehow classify him as equal. No. Also I don’t think they should conflate these icons with the weirdo that was MJ. Even if you take the alleged paedophilia out of the equation his life was far far far from normal and nothing that should be held up as an example. The tragedy of his plastic surgery, the spending, the children who were very obviously nothing to do with him other than him claiming fatherhood. It’s a total sh*t show. Thrre is nothing about Michael Jackson that merits celebration. As a victim of sexual abuse as a child, I had a hard time accepting this was being staged. But I also usher at the show. It's fantastically well done, and the cast is astonishing. Myles should transfer with it. But still, all the stories and allegations weigh on me. However, Michael was incredibly talented and that talent and craft is what merits celebration.
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Post by oxfordsimon on Jun 23, 2022 19:37:30 GMT
Gotta say, this looks rather brilliant... It does but it won’t be getting my ££. I also think it’s questionable to introduce dance legends like Fred Astaire and others to “normalise” MJ or to somehow classify him as equal. No. Also I don’t think they should conflate these icons with the weirdo that was MJ. Even if you take the alleged paedophilia out of the equation his life was far far far from normal and nothing that should be held up as an example. The tragedy of his plastic surgery, the spending, the children who were very obviously nothing to do with him other than him claiming fatherhood. It’s a total sh*t show. Thrre is nothing about Michael Jackson that merits celebration. A staged concert is the only way to celebrate the music without placing undue focus on the man and his flaws. And we essentially had that for many, many, many years with Thriller. Most people are able to separate the man from his music. But the idea of celebrating his life is just wrong.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2022 20:04:07 GMT
I don't think it celebrates his life. I've seen it many times as I usher for it. It celebrates his musical talent. They allude to allegations (the show takes place when they were first starting to surface). They talk about the plastic surgery. They talk about his drug use.
The reason why Fred Astaire, et al are there is because they were who influenced him in dance. The number actually uses their styles to show how it transformed into and influenced what Michael did. It's quite clever, especially when considering the entire show takes place in the rehearsal studio for the Dangerous tour. We are watching an artist, albeit a complicated and controversial one, at work.
I'm not a Michael Jackson fan inherently. I like "The Way You Make Me Feel" a lot. "Man in the Mirror"'s great. Some of The Jackson's Five songs were wonderful. But ultimately, I'm not really all that big of a fan. I AM however a fan of the musical - and again, I say this as a victim. And to be clear, I don't have a stake in the show. I usher at all Nederlander venues, so I hop around. I've got other work if it closes. I think it's a well done bio musical about a complicated figure.
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Post by BurlyBeaR on Jun 24, 2022 9:38:53 GMT
I don't think it celebrates his life. I've seen it many times as I usher for it. It celebrates his musical talent. They allude to allegations (the show takes place when they were first starting to surface). They talk about the plastic surgery. They talk about his drug use. On that basis we can look forward to R Kelly The Musical? Yes he’s a sex offender but let’s celebrate the music. I can’t get that to work for me.
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Post by mrnutz on Jun 24, 2022 9:42:24 GMT
Gary Glitter had a few popular tunes as well.
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Post by stuartmcd on Jun 24, 2022 9:54:26 GMT
These are such juvenile arguments in my opinion. “What about these people that did horrible things?” You mean those people who were found guilty and as such shouldn’t be celebrated in any way?
We can all agree that MJ had a messy and questionable life. And yes there were allegations that we are all very much aware of. But was he found guilty? No. Now you can go down your conspiracy theory holes and for all we know he could be as guilty as sin. So if you feel like you don’t want to support this show then it’s understandable. But I don’t think anybody else should be made to feel bad about wanting to see it either.
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Post by og on Jun 24, 2022 10:18:23 GMT
I don't think it celebrates his life. I've seen it many times as I usher for it. It celebrates his musical talent. They allude to allegations (the show takes place when they were first starting to surface). They talk about the plastic surgery. They talk about his drug use. On that basis we can look forward to R Kelly The Musical? Yes he’s a sex offender but let’s celebrate the music. I can’t get that to work for me. Some didn't feel comfortable celebrating the Queen's Jubliee given her protection of her sexually abusive son along with the long standing institutional racism shown by the monarchy. Were you in that camp too, or were you happy to throw those issues aside for the sake of some platty joobs?
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Post by BurlyBeaR on Jun 24, 2022 10:21:16 GMT
Long Live The Queen! 😊
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Post by og on Jun 24, 2022 10:36:35 GMT
Double standards much then. See you at opening night for MJ!
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Post by danb on Jun 24, 2022 10:53:11 GMT
MJ is dead and cannot profit from this. His ‘children’ who have done nothing wrong still can.
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