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Post by intoanewlife on Jun 4, 2022 20:21:10 GMT
Beetlejuice and Groundhog Day a Beetlejuice and Groundhog Day are hardly new and original properties. Why not? Both have brand-new music and have adapted the stories somewhat instead of just slapping the movie on stage 1:1 like Back to the Future has done. They're still existing pieces being sold off the back of a big name. I don't have a problem with either, I'd like too see Beetlejuice and I enjoyed Groundhog Day...well the first half of it.
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Post by viserys on Jun 4, 2022 20:29:41 GMT
They're still existing pieces being sold off the back of a big name. I don't have a problem with either, I'd like too see Beetlejuice and I enjoyed Groundhog Day...well the first half of it. Right, I get what you mean, I just think that there's a big difference between a creatively adapted movie with new music and yet another tedious biography jukebox musical like MJ. The truly completely original musicals have always been few and far between anyway - they used to be based on plays or books usually, now more often on movies. I loved Beetlejuice, but didn't get a chance to see Groundhog Day on either side of the pond and I'm endlessly glad I had someone prod me into seeing Hadestown while it was at the National.
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Post by intoanewlife on Jun 4, 2022 20:38:10 GMT
They're still existing pieces being sold off the back of a big name. I don't have a problem with either, I'd like too see Beetlejuice and I enjoyed Groundhog Day...well the first half of it. Right, I get what you mean, I just think that there's a big difference between a creatively adapted movie with new music and yet another tedious biography jukebox musical like MJ. The truly completely original musicals have always been few and far between anyway - they used to be based on plays or books usually, now more often on movies. I loved Beetlejuice, but didn't get a chance to see Groundhog Day on either side of the pond and I'm endlessly glad I had someone prod me into seeing Hadestown while it was at the National. I don't believe MJ is a 'jukebox' musical. It's more a life story thing with the songs performed as they were released etc. I wasn't fussed on Hadestown at the National. The massive stage swallowed that set. The lead guy was weak, some of the songs felt repetitive etc I do love a lot of the music though, but it definitely needed a few trims chunky trims here and there.
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Post by Jon on Jun 4, 2022 20:52:42 GMT
Theatre Royal Drury Lane, currently home to Queen Elsa. Or am I clutching at straws there Seems a bit big for MJ.
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Post by Mark on Jun 4, 2022 20:55:15 GMT
Theatre Royal Drury Lane, currently home to Queen Elsa. Or am I clutching at straws there Seems a bit big for MJ. I mean, it's too big for everything...
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Post by Jon on Jun 4, 2022 20:56:58 GMT
In regards to Mr B's right royal theatre clue, I don't think we can rule out Her Majesty's Theatre as an option. It's a tad smaller than the Neil Simon capacity wise but it could work.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 4, 2022 21:32:23 GMT
In regards to Mr B's right royal theatre clue, I don't think we can rule out Her Majesty's Theatre as an option. It's a tad smaller than the Neil Simon capacity wise but it could work. I thought that the Prince of Wales could’ve been intended. I don’t know how great BoM has been doing.
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Post by Figaro on Jun 4, 2022 21:56:46 GMT
The Other Palace.
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Post by mrbarnaby on Jun 4, 2022 22:01:01 GMT
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Post by Phantom of London on Jun 4, 2022 23:19:10 GMT
Could be the Prince Edward, as Mary Poppins is rumoured to be on its way out.
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Post by anthony on Jun 4, 2022 23:31:00 GMT
I am just rather fed up with the seemingly neverending round of biographical jukebox shows. I know they are safer bets for producers. But wouldn't it be great to have something new, original and fresh Dear Evan Hansen is closing in October so clearly audiences don't want new, original and fresh. Truthfully, theatre owners want shows that are successful and MJ on Broadway is doing well so it's a no brainer to transfer it to London. The problem with Dear Evan Hansen is that it just isn't that good. I, like many others, were obsessed with the cast album. I sort of knew the story broadly and was really excited by it. I haven't met someone in the same position as me who really loved it and has been to see it again. One of the most disappointing theatre experiences I've ever had!
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Post by mattnyc on Jun 5, 2022 2:32:21 GMT
Those saying this show doesn’t address the “controversies” are wrong. There are a few lines of dialogue where they’re addressed. They’re not dwelled on but it is there.
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Post by og on Jun 5, 2022 17:58:03 GMT
Right, I get what you mean, I just think that there's a big difference between a creatively adapted movie with new music and yet another tedious biography jukebox musical like MJ. The truly completely original musicals have always been few and far between anyway - they used to be based on plays or books usually, now more often on movies. I loved Beetlejuice, but didn't get a chance to see Groundhog Day on either side of the pond and I'm endlessly glad I had someone prod me into seeing Hadestown while it was at the National. I don't believe MJ is a 'jukebox' musical. It's more a life story thing with the songs performed as they were released etc.I wasn't fussed on Hadestown at the National. The massive stage swallowed that set. The lead guy was weak, some of the songs felt repetitive etc I do love a lot of the music though, but it definitely needed a few trims chunky trims here and there. You've almost defined the show as a Jukebox in the very explanation. Regardless of a narrative, a Jukebox is simply a musical featuring the songs of an established popular music artist/act. Both Tina & Cher do the same, tell the story of the artist featuring their songs. All Jukeboxes.
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Post by oxfordsimon on Jun 5, 2022 18:05:41 GMT
I don't object to jukebox shows as a genre. One of my favourite musicals is Our House and that is because the music serves the story rather than story existing to perform the original songs essentially as concert pieces.
We just seem to be seeing a lot of biographical shows over recent years where the book only seems to exist to get from one hit to the next with just a bit of narrative.
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Post by intoanewlife on Jun 5, 2022 18:14:33 GMT
I don't believe MJ is a 'jukebox' musical. It's more a life story thing with the songs performed as they were released etc.I wasn't fussed on Hadestown at the National. The massive stage swallowed that set. The lead guy was weak, some of the songs felt repetitive etc I do love a lot of the music though, but it definitely needed a few trims chunky trims here and there. You've almost defined the show as a Jukebox in the very explanation. Regardless of a narrative, a Jukebox is simply a musical featuring the songs of an established popular music artist/act. Both Tina & Cher do the same, tell the story of the artist featuring their songs. All Jukeboxes. Aren't jukebox musicals original stories set to someones songs that have nothing to do with the people who wrote the music ala &Juliet, Mama Mia etc Surely this is a biographical musical? I would consider both Tina and Cher as biographical as well *shrug
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Post by robertb213 on Jun 5, 2022 18:49:39 GMT
Agreed. Bio-musicals and jukebox musicals are two different things.
Tina, Jersey Boys, Beautiful - Bio-musical.
Priscilla, Moulin Rouge, & Juliet - jukebox.
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Post by oxfordsimon on Jun 5, 2022 19:17:26 GMT
There are plenty of biographical musicals that use original music. They happen to be about non musical subjects but they are still absolutely biographical:
Hamilton...Barnum...Evita
So I would argue there needs to be two categories of biographical musicals - and one is a biographical jukebox show, the other is a biographical show
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Post by johnie21 on Jun 5, 2022 19:53:49 GMT
Already hoping for Ivano Turco He is amazing in Cinderella! He’d make a fab MJ
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Post by mrbarnaby on Jun 5, 2022 20:00:06 GMT
Already hoping for Ivano Turco He is amazing in Cinderella! He’d make a fab MJ Except for the fact he can’t act to save his life. I don’t expect him to get many roles after Cinderella unless he drastically improves
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Post by mattnyc on Jun 5, 2022 20:22:57 GMT
Ivano certainly has the moves but the actor playing MJ has to completely embody the man, the way Myles does (and why I think he’s going to win the Tony next week). It’s a HARD role when you have to not only look like MJ but sing, talk and move just like him.
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Post by mrbarnaby on Jun 5, 2022 20:23:30 GMT
Ivano certainly has the moves but the actor playing MJ has to completely embody the man, the way Myles does (and why I think he’s going to win the Tony next week). It’s a HARD role when you have to not only look like MJ but sing, talk and move just like him. So yes, Ivano won’t be playing MJ.
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Post by intoanewlife on Jun 5, 2022 20:25:21 GMT
Ivano certainly has the moves but the actor playing MJ has to completely embody the man, the way Myles does (and why I think he’s going to win the Tony next week). It’s a HARD role when you have to not only look like MJ but sing, talk and move just like him. So yes, Ivano won’t be playing MJ. Gurl...you're killing me...
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Post by Oleanna on Jun 5, 2022 20:29:08 GMT
Picture a venn diagram...
On one side - Jukebox Musicals (shows which use pre-existing pop songs to tell an original story, like We Will Rock You, Mamma Mia, & Juliet)
On the other - Bio Musicals (shows which use an original score to tell the whole or part of the life story of a famous person, like Evita, Barnum, Diana)
In the middle - Jukebox Bio Musicals (shows which do the latter using the music of the former, like Tina, MJ, Beautiful)
...that’s how I tend to think of it!
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Post by cezbear on Jun 5, 2022 20:31:34 GMT
Ivano certainly has the moves but the actor playing MJ has to completely embody the man, the way Myles does (and why I think he’s going to win the Tony next week). It’s a HARD role when you have to not only look like MJ but sing, talk and move just like him. So yes, Ivano won’t be playing MJ. How fortunate this is only your opinion and not shared by everyone. We get it, you're not a fan, isn't there another drum you can go bang now?
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Post by danb on Jun 5, 2022 20:33:09 GMT
Picture a venn diagram... On one side - Jukebox Musicals (shows which use pre-existing pop songs to tell an original story, like We Will Rock You, Mamma Mia, & Juliet) On the other - Bio Musicals (shows which use an original score to tell the whole or part of the life story of a famous person, like Evita, Barnum, Diana) In the middle - Jukebox Bio Musicals (shows which do the latter using the music of the former, like Tina, MJ, Beautiful) ...that’s how I tend to think of it! Oh I love a venn diagram.
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Post by intoanewlife on Jun 5, 2022 20:38:22 GMT
Picture a venn diagram... On one side - Jukebox Musicals (shows which use pre-existing pop songs to tell an original story, like We Will Rock You, Mamma Mia, & Juliet) On the other - Bio Musicals (shows which use an original score to tell the whole or part of the life story of a famous person, like Evita, Barnum, Diana) In the middle - Jukebox Bio Musicals (shows which do the latter using the music of the former, like Tina, MJ, Beautiful) ...that’s how I tend to think of it! Oh I love a venn diagram. Thank you...I just spat Coke (cola) all over my MacBook...
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Post by mrbarnaby on Jun 5, 2022 20:43:27 GMT
So yes, Ivano won’t be playing MJ. How fortunate this is only your opinion and not shared by everyone. We get it, you're not a fan, isn't there another drum you can go bang now? No dear.
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Post by cezbear on Jun 5, 2022 20:45:37 GMT
How fortunate this is only your opinion and not shared by everyone. We get it, you're not a fan, isn't there another drum you can go bang now? No dear. Oh cute, patronising. As you were.
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Post by Matt on Jun 5, 2022 20:48:22 GMT
Going back to potential MJs, Karl queensborough (Hamilton in Hamilton) is a MASSIVE MJ fan and seems to be putting himself forward from his tweets. Hamilton is a hard one to judge his singing on, but I can definitely imagine it.
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Post by anthony on Jun 5, 2022 20:48:52 GMT
Karl Queensborough (current Hamilton) has tweeted that he'd like to play MJ... He's even retweeted it. Starting to try some sort of campaign, it seems?
Weird way to go about it lol.
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