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Post by Jan on Apr 24, 2022 13:08:53 GMT
Aberg is not a bad call. I don’t rate her as a director but I can imagine she might be good as an AD. In general I lean towards a non-UK AD, or at least someone from outside the Oxbridge club. Blanche McIntyre (Oxford) isn’t.
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Post by Jon on Apr 24, 2022 13:20:37 GMT
Aberg is not a bad call. I don’t rate her as a director but I can imagine she might be good as an AD. In general I lean towards a non-UK AD, or at least someone from outside the Oxbridge club. Blanche McIntyre (Oxford) isn’t. An AD who isn't from the UK wouldn't be a bad idea. If UK creatives can run theatre companies in other countries then why shouldn't someone from the US or Australia run the RSC. I do find it amusing that people don't want Erica Whyman but are dismissive of more radical suggestions. Why can't a producer run the RSC for example because to me the current criteria isn't working.
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Post by cirque on Apr 24, 2022 14:40:36 GMT
Think you will discover its EW who is part of the decline.
Thats why....
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Post by Jan on Apr 24, 2022 14:44:17 GMT
Aberg is not a bad call. I don’t rate her as a director but I can imagine she might be good as an AD. In general I lean towards a non-UK AD, or at least someone from outside the Oxbridge club. Blanche McIntyre (Oxford) isn’t. An AD who isn't from the UK wouldn't be a bad idea. If UK creatives can run theatre companies in other countries then why shouldn't someone from the US or Australia run the RSC. I do find it amusing that people don't want Erica Whyman but are dismissive of more radical suggestions. Why can't a producer run the RSC for example because to me the current criteria isn't working. If the RSC want to mainly do one-off productions with star actors and notable freelance directors (as for the opera companies) then a producer AD isn’t a bad idea. David Lan was a very good AD at the Young Vic and he hardly ever directed anything there. However the RSC is supposed to be a company/ensemble so a producer AD would be less useful.
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Post by Jan on Apr 25, 2022 9:16:50 GMT
How about joint ADs, an actor+director or director+producer or some other pairing ? eg. Marianne Elliot + Tom Morris. As with most of the other suggestions here I think the problem is they wouldn't want the job.
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Post by cirque on Apr 25, 2022 10:19:01 GMT
Elliot/Morris...thats a dream team......
Think impossible but you raise expectations.
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Post by Jan on Apr 25, 2022 10:46:22 GMT
Elliot/Morris...thats a dream team...... Think impossible but you raise expectations. Sorry. In the past pairs of people have applied. I seem to recall one time John Caird applied in tandem with someone else. Could be a good way to meet their diversity criteria.
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Post by cirque on Apr 25, 2022 10:55:43 GMT
By way of warning- take a look at new RSC video on website today-confirms the terrors Royal Shakespeare Community
Do we want this as the future-if so here is the appointment and it should be made with bold conviction.
If not then equally there must be someone out there who believes in excellence of the highest standards in global theatre.
Not to dismiss Community but to keep it as a division not the core.
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Post by Jon on Apr 25, 2022 11:13:36 GMT
Marianne Elliot is unlikely to want to run the RSC as she's currently running a production company.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 25, 2022 11:52:26 GMT
There was talk that Greg and Tony would possibly apply as a duo when Greg was in the running to get the role when he did or the time before. The more I think about it Erica as a long serving deputy must be clear favourite for the role. But maybe they do need to go for a younger person Peter Hall was only 30 when he started the company, Trevor Nunn was only 28 when he took over, Terry Hands was younger than Erica is now when he left the job after many years.
I personally thought Greg should have got them job after Adrian Noble but Michael Boyd got the job and he was tasked with reducing the defecit which was over £2.5 million. Michael always seemed more like an producer type AD with Greg and others being the more active directors. Michael was there when Matilda was premiered and so created the RSC a great revenue stream. Greg like Erica I do wonder if they did their better work when Deputy AD and then when they get the top job after a few years they just go a bit stale.
If you wanted an actor/director would Michelle Terry be an option as she is the Globe AD so knows Shakespeare well and has strong links to the company. But would she be able to run the company/direct and act or would she have to maybe step back largely frm the performing side?
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Post by Someone in a tree on Apr 25, 2022 12:15:03 GMT
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Post by samuelwhiskers on Apr 25, 2022 12:19:11 GMT
Someone who understands the practicalities of running a building is as essential as artistic vision.
There are two theatres in London that appointed young talented directors as ADs and it backfired massively (one was recently fired, the other is likely not going to last long) because while they are very good at directing plays, they just aren’t up to the boring grunt work of running a building. I can’t remember the details, but didn’t a former NT AD once say that being an AD was all about bins and loos?
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Post by Jon on Apr 25, 2022 12:19:57 GMT
There was talk that Greg and Tony would possibly apply as a duo when Greg was in the running to get the role when he did or the time before. The more I think about it Erica as a long serving deputy must be clear favourite for the role. But maybe they do need to go for a younger person Peter Hall was only 30 when he started the company, Trevor Nunn was only 28 when he took over, Terry Hands was younger than Erica is now when he left the job after many years. I personally thought Greg should have got them job after Adrian Noble but Michael Boyd got the job and he was tasked with reducing the defecit which was over £2.5 million. Michael always seemed more like an producer type AD with Greg and others being the more active directors. Michael was there when Matilda was premiered and so created the RSC a great revenue stream. Greg like Erica I do wonder if they did their better work when Deputy AD and then when they get the top job after a few years they just go a bit stale. If you wanted an actor/director would Michelle Terry be an option as she is the Globe AD so knows Shakespeare well and has strong links to the company. But would she be able to run the company/direct and act or would she have to maybe step back largely frm the performing side? There is a tendency nowadays not to hire anyone too young. Indeed, the only youngish AD I think of off the top of my head is Paul Taylor Mills at the Turbine and The Other Palace although Michelle Terry was in her late 30s when he got the Globe AD role. I find it interesting that Gregory Doran did very little if anything outside of the RSC, I don't think he's done anything for the National for example whereas Nunn did plenty of non RSC work.
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Post by Jon on Apr 25, 2022 12:25:55 GMT
Someone who understands the practicalities of running a building is as essential as artistic vision. There are two theatres in London that appointed young talented directors as ADs and it backfired massively (one was recently fired, the other is likely not going to last long) because while they are very good at directing plays, they just aren’t up to the boring grunt work of running a building. I can’t remember the details, but didn’t a former NT AD once say that being an AD was all about bins and loos? I think running a building or even just a production company can put you in good steed for the bigger jobs. Rupert Goold for example ran Headlong for 8 years and while that's not building base, it does give you an understanding how to programme work that can be successful.
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Post by NeilVHughes on Apr 25, 2022 12:35:18 GMT
Nicholas Hytner and Nick Starr at the Bridge and previously the National make a great team.
Do we maybe expect too much, SRB with an experienced Producer / Administrator would be an interesting choice, only caveat is these relationships develop naturally rather than than through recruitment.
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Post by lynette on Apr 25, 2022 12:35:46 GMT
There is an exec director at the RSC for running the building. I don’t think the AD has to worry about the toilets…..( same at NT) …more’s the pity….
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Post by Jon on Apr 25, 2022 12:39:22 GMT
Nicholas Hytner and Nick Starr at the Bridge and previously the National make a great team. Do we maybe expect too much, SRB with an experienced Producer / Administrator would be an interesting choice, only caveat is these thing relationships generate naturally rather than than through recruitment. The question is would SRB want to do it? I imagine it would be creatively stifling compared to acting where he can pick and choose projects. The Two Nicks are a great example of a director and producer partnership.
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Post by Jan on Apr 25, 2022 13:31:00 GMT
Michael always seemed more like an producer type AD with Greg and others being the more active directors. Michael Boyd was a great Shakespeare director - the history cycle, Troilus & Cressida, Dream etc. A far more innovative Shakespeare director than Doran. However he had his problems - a counter-productive obsession with Russian theatre and the problematic RST thrust stage redevelopment for example, but his work on the history cycle was right in the RSC company/ensemble ambitious tradition, he also allowed Doran to direct far more than Doran himself has allowed any other director to do during his own term. Another thing they could do is recruit someone for 2-3 years only, not the usual 5 year term. That might allow someone like Branagh or Sam Mendes to come in and kick-start the place and mentor a successor.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 25, 2022 15:22:00 GMT
Michael always seemed more like an producer type AD with Greg and others being the more active directors. Michael Boyd was a great Shakespeare director - the history cycle, Troilus & Cressida, Dream etc. A far more innovative Shakespeare director than Doran. However he had his problems - a counter-productive obsession with Russian theatre and the problematic RST thrust stage redevelopment for example, but his work on the history cycle was right in the RSC company/ensemble ambitious tradition, he also allowed Doran to direct far more than Doran himself has allowed any other director to do during his own term. Another thing they could do is recruit someone for 2-3 years only, not the usual 5 year term. That might allow someone like Branagh or Sam Mendes to come in and kick-start the place and mentor a successor. I was thinking of the work Michael directed when he was the AD it often seemed Greg was directing more stuff tham Michael but I fully agree Michael was a fine Shakesperian Director. As Michael Billington says do you want the big hits turned out every few years or do you look to do the whole cannon of works. How many none Shakespeare plays do you do etc? Adjoa and SRB haven't directed that much if at all to my mind and Adjoa has a great and pretty lucrative role in Bridgerton so are many years hard work would she turn her back on this. If you were looking for an actor to run RSC has David Tennant been considered he is/was on the board and clearly likes the RSC. His stumbling block would also be what roles he may have to forego to do this but he has his ComicCon appearances which are pretty lucrative if he could do them around such a role.
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Post by Jon on Apr 25, 2022 15:59:10 GMT
Tennant probably would earn the RSC AD salary doing a day or two at Comic Con so it's unlikely he'd want the job.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 25, 2022 19:30:49 GMT
Tennant probably would earn the RSC AD salary doing a day or two at Comic Con so it's unlikely he'd want the job. I meant if he took the job and had to cut back on TV/Film work then if he was still able to do Comic Cons then he might consider the job.
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Post by oxfordsimon on Apr 27, 2022 8:26:11 GMT
Today's announcement for the Winter season further confirms the failure of the Doran/Whyman regime.
Third outing for the Christmas Carol could have made some commercial sense if it were not for the vast number of similar adaptations that keep being produced. It has zero originality to it.
The Totoro piece is certainly original but seems more like something that fits the National better than the RSC.
And where is the Shakespeare?
What is the point of the company if there is no Shakespeare for 1/3 of the year?
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Post by lynette on Apr 27, 2022 10:13:50 GMT
Yep we do need a good old fashioned Luscombe comedy don't we?
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Post by Jon on Apr 27, 2022 10:54:51 GMT
I don’t really get the complaints about the RSC not putting on Shakespeare when they’ve done that for decades.
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Post by oxfordsimon on Apr 27, 2022 11:10:18 GMT
I don’t really get the complaints about the RSC not putting on Shakespeare when they’ve done that for decades. They are the Royal SHAKESPEARE Company. They should have something Shakespearean in every season. They don't have to do all Jacobethan theatre but they should at least do some. It is a huge percentage of the year where the RSC is doing no S at all. That doesn't sit right with me.
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