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Post by Jan on Apr 23, 2022 8:18:11 GMT
Has he been there that long? I mean I don’t know what to think of his tenure…he didn’t do all he said he would. They didn’t get stars but some of the shows were good. I miss the company aspect of it. With them being in rep. I don’t know. That went fast. Feel for him loosing Sher. He leaves the job with only a single theatre operating, the company aspect of the RSC completely destroyed, no obvious succession plan, and with not a single new actor or director having established themselves as RSC regulars during his tenure. He even failed in his very limited goal of producing the entire canon on the main RST stage. This was someone selected as the safe pair of hands continuity choice.
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Post by sweets7 on Apr 23, 2022 8:58:48 GMT
Has he been there that long? I mean I don’t know what to think of his tenure…he didn’t do all he said he would. They didn’t get stars but some of the shows were good. I miss the company aspect of it. With them being in rep. I don’t know. That went fast. Feel for him loosing Sher. He leaves the job with only a single theatre operating, the company aspect of the RSC completely destroyed, no obvious succession plan, and with not a single new actor or director having established themselves as RSC regulars during his tenure. He even failed in his very limited goal of producing the entire canon on the main RST stage. This was someone selected as the safe pair of hands continuity choice. Well yes…I don’t think it has gone very well at all. But COVID is responsible for some of that…the one theatre. I don’t think they would have got the plays done anyway. It’s the company aspect I fell most. That is what made the RSC somewhat different. Especially the summer season lot. It was amazing to see the companies there and in a variety of roles and lots came back, or where contracted, for a number of years so it was great to see their relationships develop and deepen. The depth of the RSC was amazing. That all went. Although I am in two minds about succession plans…every new boss should do their own thing. There shouldn’t really be a plan. But perhaps there should be some requirements to the role to preserve what about a place is its USP. I think definitely Inclusivity has really grown these past few years. But a lot of the fabric has been lost. And his partner did many of the big roles. That shouldn’t be allowed.
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Post by Jan on Apr 23, 2022 11:15:25 GMT
The fact they currently have only one theatre operating isn’t really due to Covid. The Other Place in Stratford has been more or less closed for his entire tenure and the Swan is now closed till 2023 at the earliest.
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Post by oxfordsimon on Apr 23, 2022 13:17:12 GMT
10 years in charge and where was the big success that would help fund the future of the company?
The original Wolf Hall double bill did extend in the West End but only managed a 5 month run in total. It did get a short Broadway season. They could have built on that with part 3 but screwed that up.
No musicals/family shows have transferred during his tenure
The Country House Much Ado/LLL did get further life at Chichester and then briefly into London. I think Queen Anne went from the Swan into the West End but didn't last long.
But that is about it.
Oh no. We did get the vanity project that was Death of a Salesman. A production that the RSC didn't need to stage and still didn't set the world alight
The Doran production style has always been somewhat pedestrian. He rarely truly surprises with his shows. And that has infected the rest of the company with a toxic lack of ambition.
So we have the failure to stage all the plays in the main house, the failure to develop long lasting relationships with new directors, the destruction of the ensemble and the failure to stage productions that can generate future income.
It has been a decade of disappointment, increasing mediocrity and failure to provide for the future.
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Post by Jon on Apr 23, 2022 13:23:15 GMT
Oppenheimer transferred from Stratford and was very good.
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Post by Jan on Apr 23, 2022 13:35:08 GMT
What was the best Shakespeare production of his time in charge ? I can’t say really as so few transferred to London and of those that did I disliked all the ones with Sher and the Romans and all the comedies except Much Ado/Love’s Labours. I thought Doran’s Measure for Measure was very good.
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Post by oxfordsimon on Apr 23, 2022 13:40:16 GMT
Oppenheimer transferred from Stratford and was very good. 8 weeks. It was a decent play but not one that persisted sadly.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 23, 2022 15:52:15 GMT
No musicals/family shows have transferred during his tenure The Boy in the Dress was supposed to transfer to the Savoy had it not been for the pandemic.
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Post by oxfordsimon on Apr 23, 2022 16:01:44 GMT
There was nothing to stop them preparing for a transfer once conditions allowed. They could, indeed, have brought it back to Stratford last Christmas and delayed the Elephant piece if they wanted to maintain awareness (and save some money)
The RSC effectively gave up trying during lockdown.
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Post by cirque on Apr 23, 2022 17:32:29 GMT
All this is true and the new appointment is,I believe,the most important the company will ever make.Get it wrong and it will finish the RSC. Already it is perceived as a community theatre with its continual use of amateurs and lack of ground breaking work. Will be interesting to read the job description when it comes out on Friday.My real fear is that the whole process is cosmetic and board engineered to switch EW into role. She would be fine at Court or similar but seems blind to the importance of RSC as international level company. Over past three years the whole operation seemed to close except for beloved schools work which is their pride and joy. Even now the place feels soulless with no indication of what the season is or when shows are playing…tv screens dead….No feeling that this is the once great RSC . I do feel sorry for Greg having lost his partner but the RSC should be able to survive, A full clear out…drastic ,painful for many but it is the only opportunity to revitalise the project and start again. Swan,TOP need to produce work…only 2 plays in theatre June to October…no reason to go down to Stratford.EW will further the destruction if she gets the job.Thete will be work and there will be huge participation but the status will permanently be lost. Please tell me I am wrong….I want to be.
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Post by Jon on Apr 23, 2022 17:45:57 GMT
I find it incredibly unlikely that the RSC will ever be 'finished' or close, it's been going for 50 years+ and very well funded.
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Post by Jan on Apr 23, 2022 18:01:09 GMT
I think ACE play a big part in steering who gets these jobs, I’d be very surprised if it was another white man. That is true in general, and would certainly be true for the NT, but I just don't think there are enough qualified candidates to impose that restriction on the RSC. Remember when the Washington Shakespeare Theatre Company recruited they appointed Simon Godwin and those sensitivities are even more apparent in the USA, they had to do a lot of explaining but they appointed him anyway. Deborah Warner would be good and it seems she's now happy to run a building in Bath.
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Post by inthenose on Apr 23, 2022 19:52:42 GMT
Realistically, I think we all know this is a sign of a coming "rebrand" and a chance to have a "new face leading them forward". Not that this is a bad thing. I just hope whoever they hire is the best candidate and is hired for the right reasons for this theatre company to thrive, regardless of the sex or the colour of their skin.
I am predicting Nadia Fall.
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Post by oxfordsimon on Apr 23, 2022 21:30:39 GMT
Fall has not a single professional Shakespeare production to her name. She was once an assistant director on a Much Ado under Hytner.
That is not what the RSC needs or deserves. No matter how good she is with other repertoire.
It has to be someone who gets Shakespeare, who is at home with verse, knowledgeable about Jacobethan theatre. Otherwise what is the point?
My reason for never approving of Emma Rice running the Globe was not because of her style. It was about her lack of experience with Shakespeare.
I always thought that Rylance was an odd choice to run the Globe because he is an Oxfordian. How you can run a Shakespeare theatre when you don't believe that Shakespeare wrote the plays baffles me. But he did respect the plays if not the author.
I would welcome a director like Edward Hall. Not because of who his father is. But because he understands the core of the repertoire and is prepared to take risks.
Blanche McIntyre might well be in the mix. She is respected and experienced in a wide range of world drama. I don't like the approach she is taking for the forthcoming All's Well. But I can look over that.
But I would love to see Maria Aberg get involved in Stratford again. I know she is a marmite director for many on here. But at her best she is brilliant and bold. She would be top of my wish list.
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Post by ceebee on Apr 23, 2022 21:52:00 GMT
Matthew Warchus.
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Post by Jon on Apr 23, 2022 22:11:33 GMT
I think limiting the options to people who have directed Shakespeare isn't a good thing. Surely they should looking at a wide range of candidates who may be able revitalise the organisation as a whole and shake things up, nobody should be ruled out just because they didn't direct or act in anything by the Bard.
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Post by oxfordsimon on Apr 23, 2022 22:33:29 GMT
I think limiting the options to people who have directed Shakespeare isn't a good thing. Surely they should looking at a wide range of candidates who may be able revitalise the organisation as a whole and shake things up, nobody should be ruled out just because they didn't direct or act in anything by the Bard. The RSC is absolutely the place where the leader must be able to demonstrate a passion for Shakespeare and a track record of excellence in productions of his works. It exists to serve the legacy of Shakespeare and someone who has reached the required level to be considered for the role without having demonstrated their interest in Shakespeare is not the right fit. We have seen elsewhere where the new AD is not experienced in the core work of the company creates serious issues. Those involved need to look at the failures on the South Bank to make sure that they don't make the same mistakes that the Globe and RNT made.
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Post by inthenose on Apr 23, 2022 22:41:17 GMT
I think there is a very good chance they will hire a candidate if the face fits, regardless of experience directing Shakespeare. The face will have to fit.
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Post by oxfordsimon on Apr 23, 2022 22:48:22 GMT
I think there is a very good chance they will hire a candidate if the face fits, regardless of experience directing Shakespeare. The face will have to fit. And that is worst reason for making such an important appointment It should be based on merit, experience, skills, vision and leadership The tick box mentality has to end
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Post by lynette on Apr 24, 2022 0:07:00 GMT
Fall has not a single professional Shakespeare production to her name. She was once an assistant director on a Much Ado under Hytner. That is not what the RSC needs or deserves. No matter how good she is with other repertoire. It has to be someone who gets Shakespeare, who is at home with verse, knowledgeable about Jacobethan theatre. Otherwise what is the point? My reason for never approving of Emma Rice running the Globe was not because of her style. It was about her lack of experience with Shakespeare. I always thought that Rylance was an odd choice to run the Globe because he is an Oxfordian. How you can run a Shakespeare theatre when you don't believe that Shakespeare wrote the plays baffles me. But he did respect the plays if not the author. I would welcome a director like Edward Hall. Not because of who his father is. But because he understands the core of the repertoire and is prepared to take risks. Blanche McIntyre might well be in the mix. She is respected and experienced in a wide range of world drama. I don't like the approach she is taking for the forthcoming All's Well. But I can look over that. But I would love to see Maria Aberg get involved in Stratford again. I know she is a marmite director for many on here. But at her best she is brilliant and bold. She would be top of my wish list. Maria Aberg would not make any list of mine. Marmite doesn’t come close. I would weep if she is appointed. But I think that nobody on your list, oxfordsimon will be selected. It is a shoe in for EW. You would have to find a reason NOT to appoint her. I don't hold a brief as they say. I have not admired all of her work but she has a handle on the job, has a big feel for the community aspect of it and is a good communicator to the Board, donors, punters and performers. Directing isn’t all of the job or even a half of it. I do think others should be looked at. Tom Littler really knows what to do with Shakespeare and has run a smaller enterprise in an inspired way especially through the pandemic but let’s face it, he is a man. They have all been men and with EW there is chance to change the image without rocking the boat. I’m all out of metaphors but you see what I mean.
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Post by oxfordsimon on Apr 24, 2022 0:17:27 GMT
I know that Aberg would not be universally popular but I have always rated her.
Whyman is a big part of the failures of the past decade.
Appointing her would just reinforce those and compound the errors in their thinking.
The current community stuff is just nonsense and always will be in that form. It offers nothing meaningful to audiences. Yes, it is great for the handful of people who get to appear on stage. But that is not worth the effort.
If they had embedded the Open Stages work as part of the core activity of the RSC that would have been great. The two runs of that project were real community work with real dividends. Getting amateurs to play crowds does not deliver community benefits.
Whyman is part of the problem. She is not a solution.
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Post by cirque on Apr 24, 2022 7:22:56 GMT
Warner would be excellent but she would not do it-given that she has just taken on AD role at Ustinov Studio. The job specifies,i believe,that the post holder must live in Stratford-that would be difficult for the headliners in the sphere. It boils down to whether board have future of RSC as major player on global stage or community resource in their decision.Branagh would bring world of experience and major players back to town,Icke would bring huge international perspective and top line directors,Cooke would develop ideas that he had when Associate some years back. If Board go with EW-the demise of the RSC will be complete.Its not that she is a bad director,just OK,but her vision is part of the disaster that the company is heading towards. I still believe this will be the outcome and the deal all but complete.
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Post by kathryn on Apr 24, 2022 8:11:10 GMT
My reason for never approving of Emma Rice running the Globe was not because of her style. It was about her lack of experience with Shakespeare. I always thought that Rylance was an odd choice to run the Globe because he is an Oxfordian. How you can run a Shakespeare theatre when you don't believe that Shakespeare wrote the plays baffles me. But he did respect the plays if not the author. Funnily enough Rice’s ‘style’ would be ok at the RSC - it would ruffle a few feathers but is not totally against the spirit of the organisation like it was at The Globe. As long as she programmed seasoned directors to do a solid GCSE syllabus repertoire she could have the odd experimental production to push the boundaries and explore. The RSC has enough theatres and funding that it can do both. Rylance worked at the Globe because as obviously wrong-headed as his beliefs are, they spring from a real belief in the genius of the playwrite (the Oxfordian argument is plain snobbery - that a genius couldn’t have come from relatively humble origins), and a real interest in the historical context of the plays as written and performed. You can be as radical as you like with the texts there as long as you are aligned with those twin principles.
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Post by Jan on Apr 24, 2022 10:00:57 GMT
The job specifies,i believe,that the post holder must live in Stratford Not sure. That might have been specified last time just to favour Doran over Rupert Goold. Michael Boyd lived in north London as far as I am aware. It's not so much that they should appoint someone with a Shakespeare track record but rather I can't imagine many without that actually wanting to apply - it is very restricting for directors who like directing contemporary plays and working with playwrights, and that is most of them.
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