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Post by Deleted on Mar 30, 2022 11:29:37 GMT
Even is will was banned by the SAG would it really effect him given he is a multi millionaire and probably has films in the can already to be released.
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Post by crowblack on Mar 30, 2022 12:51:30 GMT
I've got a stack of 90s and 2000s Guardians quietly mouldering away at the back of the garden after clearing out the garage a couple of years ago and the paper in its current incarnation is a juvenile shadow of its former self. Ditto the Independent.
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Post by sph on Mar 30, 2022 12:52:15 GMT
I'm not saying he should be banned from ever working or ever winning an award or anything like that. I do think he should be banned from attending the ceremony in the future because if your conduct at an event involves you marching up on stage and attacking the host you have no right to be there.
The Academy let it slide on the night and they shouldn't have.
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Post by sph on Mar 30, 2022 12:55:14 GMT
I only read the Daily Mail's online showbiz page as that is good. That and the Guardian are both as bad as each other IMO. Also no-one can say it was racism as it was one black guy bitch slapping another. Again thank goodness it wasn't a white and black person. John Wayne was apparently off stage and had to be held back by Security. We don't know what John was shouting or threatening but he was 6ft 4ins about 240lbs so him confronting a small woman and especially knowing his politics might not have been pretty. I suspect though, that if a white man had gone on stage in this day and age, slapped the host, and had returned to his seat and remained there completely unchallenged, THEN collected an award AND received a standing ovation, people would be calling it white privilege, yet that's exactly what Will Smith did, so it's clearly not about race and that Guardian article is bizarre. |
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Post by jojo on Mar 30, 2022 13:04:07 GMT
I don't see the need for a permanent ban. Just next year, then the following year he can attend if he wants, but not in the front row. Take away his voting rights for the same period too. I've no idea what films he's got waiting to come out, but he's not someone who gets annual nominations, so I don't see that being an issue.
One of the main reasons this was so shocking is that his behaviour is normally excellent. But it also suggests that a short-term suspension should be enough to make the point. I dare say it depends on what he says and does over the next few weeks. I've no interest in a walk of shame, but there has to be consequences.
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Post by oxfordsimon on Mar 30, 2022 22:59:28 GMT
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Post by sph on Mar 31, 2022 0:17:00 GMT
He refused? So what! It's their show and security could have removed him. The Academy and the organisers of the ceremony made a decision and it was the wrong decision.
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Post by oxfordsimon on Mar 31, 2022 0:26:24 GMT
The optics of security dragging him out is probably what stopped them. In these days of cameras in every pocket, that would not have gone unrecorded.
I agree that they should have removed him but in the short window of time they had available to them, I can see why that could have caused issues. Maybe even allowed Smith to claim to be a victim of the security guards. Impossible to know how it would have played out.
They made several wrong calls and have admitted they didn't get it right.
Smith's refusal to leave tells us much more about his state of mind in the aftermath of his actions. And it doesn't paint him in a good light
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Post by frappuccino on Mar 31, 2022 3:33:23 GMT
Oscar-winning actor Will Smith slapping comedian Chris Rock made the biggest headlines out of the Oscars Sunday night. But the sponsorship from Pfizer and COVID shot partner BioNTech was for the pharma marketing world a bigger moment. On Sunday night, Jada Pinkett Smith, via her husband Will Smith's much-discussed slap of Chris Rock following a joke about her hair loss, has again shone a bright spotlight on the autoimmune disease, Alopecia areata. Pfizer, partnered with Everest Medicines, is also exploring the potential applications for its immunomodulating candidate etrasimod, which is being investigated for an alopecia indication among other inflammatory and autoimmune diseases www.fiercepharma.com/marketing/pfizer-and-biontech-take-hollywood-they-sponsor-oscarswww.biospace.com/article/alopecia-Hmm...the media doesn't tell you how to think but it tells you what to think about... |
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Post by samuelwhiskers on Mar 31, 2022 3:40:38 GMT
Interesting Twitter thread from the winner of the award Chris Rock presented, on another problematic “joke” he told that night.
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Post by jojo on Mar 31, 2022 7:09:12 GMT
Trust the Americans to turn this into a money making opportunity! Never mind the media, the American pharmaceutical industry doesn't miss a trick to flog their wares. I bet they've been rubbing their hands with glee trying to work out how best to monetize the incident. It should be shocking that they'd turn this into an opportunity to advertise themselves and their medication that (according to the internet) wouldn't help Jada because she had tests that show her alopecia isn't anything to do with an autoimmune disease. But sadly it's business as usual for them. Thank goodness British advertising laws are much stricter than they are in the US. Clearly if hair loss is a symptom of an auto-immune disease or similar, then it's serious and people should get treatment. But hair loss in women is more often due to the aging process or years of over processing. Many women are ashamed because they think they are the only one it's happening to, because the media likes to give the impression that women are supposed to have a full head of flowing locks to be attractive. |
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Post by theglenbucklaird on Mar 31, 2022 7:47:26 GMT
The optics of security dragging him out is probably what stopped them. In these days of cameras in every pocket, that would not have gone unrecorded. I agree that they should have removed him but in the short window of time they had available to them, I can see why that could have caused issues. Maybe even allowed Smith to claim to be a victim of the security guards. Impossible to know how it would have played out. They made several wrong calls and have admitted they didn't get it right. Smith's refusal to leave tells us much more about his state of mind in the aftermath of his actions. And it doesn't paint him in a good light Could they have not presented best male actor, told him it was now an announcement at a later date and not given him the opportunity to come to the stage?? |
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Post by oxfordsimon on Mar 31, 2022 8:10:19 GMT
There are many ways they could have handled it - including something along those lines. the Academy needs better contingency planning..
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Post by d'James on Mar 31, 2022 9:35:28 GMT
The optics of security dragging him out is probably what stopped them. In these days of cameras in every pocket, that would not have gone unrecorded. I agree that they should have removed him but in the short window of time they had available to them, I can see why that could have caused issues. Maybe even allowed Smith to claim to be a victim of the security guards. Impossible to know how it would have played out. They made several wrong calls and have admitted they didn't get it right. Smith's refusal to leave tells us much more about his state of mind in the aftermath of his actions. And it doesn't paint him in a good light Could they have not presented best male actor, told him it was now an announcement at a later date and not given him the opportunity to come to the stage?? I don’t think that would’ve been fair to the other nominees. |
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Post by oxfordsimon on Mar 31, 2022 9:46:15 GMT
They certainly could have announced the winner and theb said the trophy would be passed on at another time. They did that last year with Hopkins not travelling to the US
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Post by d'James on Mar 31, 2022 9:50:31 GMT
They certainly could have announced the winner and theb said the trophy would be passed on at another time. They did that last year with Hopkins not travelling to the US Oh I agree. That probably would’ve been the best course of action but it would’ve been very difficult for the presenter to have to explain that. |
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Post by theglenbucklaird on Mar 31, 2022 10:30:06 GMT
They certainly could have announced the winner and theb said the trophy would be passed on at another time. They did that last year with Hopkins not travelling to the US Oh I agree. That probably would’ve been the best course of action but it would’ve been very difficult for the presenter to have to explain that. '... and the winner is Will Smith but as you can see we have barricaded the stage with security, albeit a little late, and you are not coming up to collect the award at this time...' |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 31, 2022 16:39:58 GMT
Let's be honest, with the whole 'comedy roast' culture that's purposely offensive, someone was gonna get a slap eventually. Just a shame it wasn't Gervais Ricky is a genius and one of the funniest people I've ever worked with. There is not a malicious bone in the man's body and he does an awful lot behind the scenes that people don't see. I know you might not believe me, but I've worked on some of Ricky's shows and he is one of the classiest and most giving stars I've dealt with. A few of the most famous "nice guy" comedian celebrities (one southern, one very northern) have abhorrent views they actually believe, rather than jokes they tell on a stage for shock/laughs. It's funny how the world works. Specifically on your point, Ricky Gervais clearly loathes the rich, white, male dominated Hollywood scene and frankly he talks more sense than most. He is an outsider to it all - by choice. That's why his perfect laser incision was so lauded, he isn't "one of them". I've heard too that Ricky is a nice bloke and that he has time for his fans. Talking of comedians some whose acts I doubt any of the board ever have wanted to watch have had a good reputation for charity work and being really friendly ad having time for people despite the views they state and I think they honestly believed. |
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Post by kathryn on Apr 1, 2022 3:53:51 GMT
We all know that freedom of speech does not mean freedom from repercussions. But we also have seen the 'offensive' comedy has been tested in the courts and in most cases, the right of the comedian to push boundaries has been upheld. There is a big difference between going to a comedy gig or watching a recorded 'special', where you know the nature of the performer's jokes, you are prepared for some to be in bad taste or offensive, and you know that sitting in the front row may make you the butt of an off-colour joke, and this. The Oscars is an industry awards ceremony about films, not a stand up comedy show. If you are in the industry and up for an award, or the family of someone who is, it is expected that you have to attend. If you are interested in film and a fan of those who are up for awards, or even just like frocks, you'll be watching it. So why subject that audience to a known-to-be 'controversial' and 'edgy' stand up comedian as host? The audience aren't given any choice here. It's not about censorship. It's about what's appropriate for this type of show. Have you never watched the Oscars before?! Teasing the attending audience members (who are by definition members of the Hollywood elite) is absolutely expected! Also: watch the clip. Will Smith’s initial reaction is to laugh. He doesn’t get angry until after he sees his wife’s face. He overcompensated. |
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Post by kathryn on Apr 1, 2022 3:55:35 GMT
Physical violence isn’t the answer, however saying that Will Smith wife looked a G.I. Is terrible insult in itself, especially as she is suffering from the medical condition alopecia. This can be very tough for a lady. Verbal assault can be as/or more so damaging than physical violence and should be called out as reprehensible. It’s an insult to compare someone to the outrageously beautiful Demi Moore?! Really? She was gorgeous in that film! Jada does suffer from alopecia, but she made a conscious decision to shave her head and be open about that, instead of just getting very good wigs made. Nobody need to have known if she had gone down the wig route - lots of actresses use wigs and hairpieces. |
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Post by shady23 on Apr 1, 2022 6:58:44 GMT
Why should she cover herself up?
I've read so many opinions on this incident over the last week and very much think people react depending on the person more so than the action.
Will Smith is well liked so he gets excused for a lot more than if another person who isn't had done the same thing. Most of my friends seem to think he has nothing wrong.
Comedians have always told jokes near the knuckle at these kind of awards. That is their job. In saying that, if someone has a medical condition it really should not be fair game.
The joke was in poor taste but that no way excuses Will's reaction to it. Rebel made jokes about his wife allegedly having affairs at the awards a few weeks ago. Would he have hit her if he had been in the audience?
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Post by crowblack on Apr 1, 2022 8:11:39 GMT
Have you never watched the Oscars before?! Teasing the attending audience members (who are by definition members of the Hollywood elite) is absolutely expected! I used to watch it in the olden days when it was on terrestrial tv overnight, and the focus then was very much on the winners and their tearful speeches. I've seen several comments from filmmakers on social media saying they want a return to that - the emphasis on the awards, the talent, not turning into a cringe-comedy gig with a few envelopes opened from time to time. Many of the awards weren't even awarded on camera - to make more time for 'banter' or 'roasting' as I believe the Americans call this rather frat house hazing ritual style of comedy (if you want to be in the special club, you must expect the occasional public spanking in front of your peers - that seems to be the mentality). I tried watching the BAFTAs and thought, oh, good start with Dame Shirley Bassey and then oh dear god the 'comedy' kicked in and we had to switch off. There are plenty of outlets for comedians to do their stuff. This is a film awards programme, and if the price of going back to putting the emphasis on that is lower ratings so be it, though in the era of the global superfan I think people will still tune in to see if their favourite star gets a gong. |
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Post by sfsusan on Apr 1, 2022 11:51:36 GMT
This is a film awards programme, and if the price of going back to putting the emphasis on that is lower ratings so be it, though in the era of the global superfan I think people will still tune in to see if their favourite star gets a gong. I agree, and think the Academy needs to decide what the show is going to be... an awards show honoring achievements in the field (and risking a smaller audience) or an industry-themed comedy special (which risks the reputation of the industry). 'Teasing' is one thing, but below-the-belt shots at people is simply passive-aggressive hostility. "What's the matter, can't you take a joke?" "It's all in good fun!" Or my favorite, "nothing personal". There's enough meanness and antagonism in public today... given the consequences*, perhaps it's time to retire this form of 'comedy'? *And speaking of roasts and consequences, supposedly one of the main triggers for Donald Trump to run for president was the roasting he was given by President Obama at the White House Correspondents' Dinner. |
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Post by inthenose on Apr 1, 2022 17:29:18 GMT
Are you suggesting Mr. Smith run for president? The Fresh President of Bel Air
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