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Post by Rory on May 15, 2022 8:57:15 GMT
Don't think this is actually happening but it made me laugh. Very plausible.
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Post by BurlyBeaR on May 15, 2022 9:42:35 GMT
I said the same thing on Facebook last night and a friend replied “run for the hills Sam” 😆
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Post by Deleted on May 15, 2022 12:26:22 GMT
I did laugh out loud when Graham Norton said about Systur “and thanks for Princess Beatrice tagging along” 😆  First time I'd watched this in years and Graham was funny and there were moments you could have imagined Wogan's dry sarcasim. |
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Post by ncbears on May 15, 2022 13:18:42 GMT
Saw that y’all got WhatIsHappening trending on Twitter during the reveal of votes!
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Post by BurlyBeaR on May 15, 2022 13:27:37 GMT
Saw that y’all got WhatIsHappening trending on Twitter during the reveal of votes! What happened to the Great American Song Contest? I heard of plans to have a similar event where each state competed but it all went quiet. Did Covid kill it off? |
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Post by viserys on May 15, 2022 13:33:19 GMT
What happened to the Great American Song Contest? I heard of plans to have a similar event where each state competed but it all went quiet. Did Covid kill it off? It just ended after a run of eight Mondays. A KPop singer from Oklahoma won. It pulled way in less viewers than the Monday evening regulars, especially the two firefighting dramas 911 and 911: Lone Star. I think part of the problem was the presentation in eight episodes, much like a typical music casting show rather than one big one-off event and another part was that the US simply aren't diverse enough musically to have a mixed crazy bag like the ESC. The generic KPop girlie could have been from any state. |
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Post by jojo on May 15, 2022 16:07:51 GMT
An inevitable win. That much was clear for weeks. A huge second place for the UK. Winning the Jury vote was amazing. And if the conflict continues, the Ukrainians might have to ask another country to host. The UK would be very well placed to do that. As we have done in the past I honestly wouldn't be surprised if it ends up in London or Salford but with perhaps Ukrainian talent hosting. I don't realistically see how you can let Ukraine host when it'll take time to rebuild any of the major cities. Same here. Ukraine are rightly saying they plan to host it next year, but unless the war ends soon, and favourably for Ukraine, then I can't see how that is possible. Not in the current format. Even if the war ends soon, Ukraine will be a massive building site for years to come, and diverting resources from houses and hospitals to build the kind of media and tourist village required, might not go down well. Not unless they can turn it into an international DIY SOS project. I don't know if there's a bit of flexibility in the timing of the contest, but I'm sure it could be delayed by a couple of months if that would allow Ukraine to host. They could aim for something more low key, and most people would be understanding, but it's still a lot of uncertainty. I fully expect there to be a back up plan, and I expect that would mean it being hosted in the UK. At the very least, I'm sure a suitable venue has been asked to not book any other shows for week in question. If that does happen, then it would be nice if most of the hosts were Ukrainian. |
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Post by n1david on May 15, 2022 16:11:50 GMT
At the very least, I'm sure a suitable venue has been asked to not book any other shows for week in question. The venue usually needs to be available for about a month, in order to allow for rehearsals, fit out of green room, press facilities, commentary booths etc. |
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Post by oxfordsimon on May 15, 2022 17:38:52 GMT
To be honest, Ukraine should prioritise the rebuilding of vital infrastructure well ahead of any Eurovision event.
I know it brings national pride but I think that they have other things to focus on first.
I could certainly see a case where another country hosts but all the key creatives are Ukrainian - set design, lighting, director, hosts and so forth.
And that other country should be a big five nation so as not to give another entry a free pass to the final.
Spain were a bit premature in offering to host. Looks a bit over eager. Far better to let these things play out and be ready to step in rather than seeming to campaign for it
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Post by jojo on May 15, 2022 17:48:29 GMT
Fair point. I was going to say more on the other logistical challenges about hosting Eurovision, but I didn't want to complicate things, and of course much of that will depend on the venues and what facilities they already have available to them.
The key point is that even though we'd all love to see a peaceful Ukraine host Eurovision next year, the odds are not in their favour. It's good for morale that they insist they intend to host it, at least for the time being as they enjoy their victory. I don't expect anyone official will question it. But realistically, there will be a team quietly working away on an alternative. I expect they'll hold off on announcing the alternative planning for as long as possible, but at some point Eurovision fans will want to book flights and hotels.
We overlapped OxfordSimon, so missed your comments. I didn't know that Spain had offered, but agree that was premature, especially to do so publicly. It's also a fair point about it being a Big Five country for the reason you give, and also the Big Five countries can theoretically take the hit of hosting Eurovision without having to justify it as being a big tourist advertising campaign. No doubt questions will be asked about value for money, but if we are prepared to support Ukraine's war effort with money, then supporting their Eurovision win is reasonable.
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Post by oxfordsimon on May 15, 2022 19:47:45 GMT
The hosting of the main stage is only a small part of it.
You need a decent transport and hotel infrastructure to accommodate the thousands of fans plus the media circus.
And even if hostilities ended this month, getting that sort of thing in place in 10 months would be asking a huge amount.
Yes, the rest of the EBU could help cover the cost. But the key construction workers should be tasked with rebuilding things that actually improve the lives of Ukrainians. Sure hosting would be a great achievement but I find it hard to justify when people will still be suffering there.
I am sure wise heads will prevail and a workable alternative found.
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Post by ncbears on May 15, 2022 22:07:41 GMT
What happened to the Great American Song Contest? I heard of plans to have a similar event where each state competed but it all went quiet. Did Covid kill it off? It just ended after a run of eight Mondays. A KPop singer from Oklahoma won. It pulled way in less viewers than the Monday evening regulars, especially the two firefighting dramas 911 and 911: Lone Star. I think part of the problem was the presentation in eight episodes, much like a typical music casting show rather than one big one-off event and another part was that the US simply aren't diverse enough musically to have a mixed crazy bag like the ESC. The generic KPop girlie could have been from any state. I have a cousin who worked on Great American Song Contest. There were people from Eurovision out assisting and advising - but the issue was that the Great American Song Contest has no real hook to distinguish itself from other singing shows. There was minimal "outrageousness" that Eurovision generates. And people here just don't identify with their states much - very little state pride - and I think the voting was not by state either, so the whole joy of "Cypress gives 12 points to .... " major pause for audience to shout out "Greece" before the presenter says "Greece" just doesn't happen nor would it happen. That said, he says the production values on the final episode were really really good and they are submitting it for an Emmy. I'm a bad cousin and didn't watch. |
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Post by Phantom of London on May 15, 2022 22:11:09 GMT
There is no shame coming second to Ukraine.
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Post by ncbears on May 16, 2022 3:54:59 GMT
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Post by mkb on May 16, 2022 12:38:51 GMT
You gotta love Eurovision. Don't like the votes? Then just make some up! And then try and pretend there were "technical problems" reaching a number of countries. Hilarious.
I got home in time for the voting on Saturday, so caught up with the performances last night. Given all the adulation for the UK entry, I was surprised at how bad/static the set design, staging and lighting were, and the costume did nothing for me. Other countries knocked us out the park on all of those. Fortunately, Sam Ryder's performance was exceptional. I'm not a fan of his trilling, but boy could he make something of an okay-ish number and convey a sense of elation to the audience. A worthy result in the end I thought.
Of course, Ukraine had to win and rightly so. This is Eurovision after all, where political voting has long-since been propelled to an art form. If Ukraine had not won, it would have sent out a truly terrible message. I just hope I don't have to hear their god-awful song again. Not for a while anyway.
As usual, the final result table bore little correlation to my personal likes: Germany and France were not *that* bad, and Spain was just dire. I think I'd have probably plumped for Sweden if forced. The standard overall seemed weak this year. Only Moldova and Norway in the final really had any proper Eurovision fun.
Anyway, time beckons. There are some hungry wolves outside demanding bananas. Yum-Yum!
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Post by mkb on May 16, 2022 13:12:20 GMT
Don't underestimate Ukraine's capacity to host this next year.
It might have to be stripped back, but that could make a refreshing change.
I went to both the Euros and a Champions League final in the country and accommodation for the 100,000+ fans came mainly from the homes of the incredibly friendly and hospitable locals. (It pains me to think of what a pretty city Donetsk was before the Russians destroyed it six years ago.)
If hostilities are in abeyance by next year, and Kviv or Lviv are as they are now, Ukraine will want to show the world their resilience.
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Post by BurlyBeaR on May 17, 2022 9:17:08 GMT
I thought the U.K. presentation was stunning in its simplicity. The cone of the rocket opening up and the lighting in the guitar break… fab! and I thought he looked lovely in his starry jumpsuit 🤩
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Post by alece10 on May 17, 2022 9:38:06 GMT
I thought the U.K. presentation was stunning in its simplicity. The cone of the rocket opening up and the lighting in the guitar break… fab! and I thought he looked lovely in his starry jumpsuit 🤩 It was great. I did read, however, it was the most complex set to install and had 3 different lighting rigs. Worked so well. |
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Post by jojo on May 17, 2022 14:45:55 GMT
It just ended after a run of eight Mondays. A KPop singer from Oklahoma won. It pulled way in less viewers than the Monday evening regulars, especially the two firefighting dramas 911 and 911: Lone Star. I think part of the problem was the presentation in eight episodes, much like a typical music casting show rather than one big one-off event and another part was that the US simply aren't diverse enough musically to have a mixed crazy bag like the ESC. The generic KPop girlie could have been from any state. I have a cousin who worked on Great American Song Contest. There were people from Eurovision out assisting and advising - but the issue was that the Great American Song Contest has no real hook to distinguish itself from other singing shows. There was minimal "outrageousness" that Eurovision generates. And people here just don't identify with their states much - very little state pride - and I think the voting was not by state either, so the whole joy of "Cypress gives 12 points to .... " major pause for audience to shout out "Greece" before the presenter says "Greece" just doesn't happen nor would it happen. That said, he says the production values on the final episode were really really good and they are submitting it for an Emmy. I'm a bad cousin and didn't watch. A lot of the fun of Eurovision is the nostalgia and shared understanding of quirks and the language of getting null or douze points. It didn't start as a massive competition, but something more low key with a handful of entries broadcast to an audience that didn't have much choice in what to watch. Winning comes with a great sense of national pride, and the opportunity for your country to show off to the rest of Europe next year. Some acts will hope to launch or revive a career, but winning is its own reward. Will the people of Oklahoma be cheering their winner? Did the winner win anything? |
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Post by inthenose on May 17, 2022 14:46:54 GMT
I wonder why Mika needed to mime. I've seen him in concert and he was terrific (albeit autotuned at times.
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Post by ncbears on May 19, 2022 15:56:57 GMT
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Post by stevemar on Jun 17, 2022 10:43:15 GMT
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Post by oxfordsimon on Jun 17, 2022 11:00:32 GMT
Glasgow, as mentioned in the Grauniad, is highly rumoured elsewhere as the favoured host city.
Hopefully the Krankies will be the interval act
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Post by n1david on Jun 17, 2022 11:01:22 GMT
Manchester or Glasgow seem to be the early favourites. The BBC's Eurovision team is based in Salford so there are logistical benefits there, and both the AO Arena in Manchester and the Hydro in Glasgow seem to have space in their calendars. London's O2 has only one gig booked in May - last year's winners Maneskin!
It will be a Ukrainian Eurovision though, even if hosted by the BBC, so I wouldn't expect Rylan to be hosting. It will inevitably be another somewhat strange affair.
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Post by theatreian on Jun 17, 2022 11:25:54 GMT
I am away until 15th May so hope it will be that week if it's held in the UK.
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