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Post by theglenbucklaird on Feb 28, 2022 8:52:16 GMT
I am of Russian Blood and ashamed of what Putin and Kremlin is doing to Ukraine. I am with Ukraine. Я російської крові і мені соромно за те, що Путін і Кремль роблять з Україною. Я з Україною Is that translatable on a family board?
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Post by olliebean on Feb 28, 2022 9:02:56 GMT
I am of Russian Blood and ashamed of what Putin and Kremlin is doing to Ukraine. I am with Ukraine. Я російської крові і мені соромно за те, що Путін і Кремль роблять з Україною. Я з Україною Is that translatable on a family board? The Russian says the same as the English.
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Post by theglenbucklaird on Feb 28, 2022 9:08:00 GMT
Is that translatable on a family board? The Russian says the same as the English. Wow, great Russian
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Post by og on Feb 28, 2022 9:13:11 GMT
I am of Russian Blood and ashamed of what Putin and Kremlin is doing to Ukraine. I am with Ukraine. Я російської крові і мені соромно за те, що Путін і Кремль роблять з Україною. Я з Україною Is that translatable on a family board? Anything's translatable with translate.google.com and copy/paste
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Post by frappuccino on Mar 2, 2022 8:06:12 GMT
This is very much a Russian government action, not a Russian people action. Last time I worked in Russia, not so long ago, outside Moscow I was surprised by the very high levels of support Putin had, not everyone and less amongst some of the young, but it was clear even if he’d run a fair election he would still have won in a landslide. Russia has a history of liking “strong” leaders. But if you ban dissenting opinions from the media-what other choice do people have?
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Post by Jan on Mar 2, 2022 9:32:08 GMT
The media tend to cover the military aspects of this because they have pictures. However this is an interesting article in The Atlantic about the financial sanctions. Summary: they are *very* severe. www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2022/02/how-russian-sanctions-work/622940/Russia is not a leading economy, it is about the same size GDP as Australia and similarly based on commodities. It cannot survive these sanctions assuming China doesn't actively support them which at present looks unlikely.
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Post by Someone in a tree on Mar 2, 2022 13:30:04 GMT
@jan great article thanks for sharing.
Various commentators saying this is begining of the end of Putin but they are not saying how long he has left apart from 'quite a while'
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Post by Deleted on Mar 2, 2022 14:20:48 GMT
I'm surprised Putin is still there, because there's no way he can come out of this looking successful. There must be an awful lot of people high up in Russia's administration who are thinking that all their problems could go away almost immediately if they were only able to turn back the clock, and in effect they could turn back the clock if they had a convenient scapegoat to carry all the blame and humiliation on their behalf. If I was in Putin's position I'd be rushing to accept responsibility and resign, because it's a hell of a lot easier to make someone a reluctant scapegoat when they're not around to argue about it.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 2, 2022 14:52:53 GMT
Is that translatable on a family board? The Russian says the same as the English. its not Russian
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Post by og on Mar 2, 2022 15:29:31 GMT
I'm surprised Putin is still there, because there's no way he can come out of this looking successful. There must be an awful lot of people high up in Russia's administration who are thinking that all their problems could go away almost immediately if they were only able to turn back the clock, and in effect they could turn back the clock if they had a convenient scapegoat to carry all the blame and humiliation on their behalf. If I was in Putin's position I'd be rushing to accept responsibility and resign, because it's a hell of a lot easier to make someone a reluctant scapegoat when they're not around to argue about it. Putin lives in fantastical bubble though. He absolutely believes he has a right to "reclaim" Ukraine as he has done previously. Noone will tell him otherwise. The fear instilled by the KGB roots is too strong and thats why anyone within his circle (tight and wider), even if they did think otherwise, would never push for anything else. That recent exchange between Putin and Russian Spy chief is testament to this. "Accept responsibility and resign" is not an option in his reality; that's why we've seen a harder, fiercer push in the last 48hrs. He knows it's not gone to plan with his first line of attack (no doubt some advisors and Chiefs in that circle will have now gone missing) rather than admitting defeat, he's upped the fire power, upped the numbers and upped the mindgames. He genuinely believes every nation, like his own, fears him, whereas on the outside looking in, we see a completely different reality.
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Post by steve10086 on Mar 2, 2022 18:11:29 GMT
I want to know which 35 countries abstained at the UN earlier. If there is ever a point at which I may be going on holiday again (if the world survives, if the economy recovers, if I have a job) then those 35 countries can f*** themselves!
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Post by n1david on Mar 2, 2022 19:00:07 GMT
Supporting Russia: Russia, Belarus, North Korea, Eritrea, Syria Abstentions: Algeria, Angola, Armenia, Bangladesh, Bolivia, Burundi, CAR, China, Congo, Cuba, El Salvador, India, Iran, Iraq, Kazhakstan, Krygyzstan, Laos, Madagascar, Mali, Mongolia, Mozambique, Namibia, Nicaragua, Pakistan, Senegal, South Africa, South Sudan, Sri Lanka, Sudan, Tajikistan, Uganda, Tanzania, Vietnam, Zimbabwe
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Post by Deleted on Mar 2, 2022 19:35:06 GMT
The Belarusian people appear to be less than fully supportive of their government's attitude.
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Post by og on Mar 2, 2022 19:59:29 GMT
I want to know which 35 countries abstained at the UN earlier. If there is ever a point at which I may be going on holiday again (if the world survives, if the economy recovers, if I have a job) then those 35 countries can f*** themselves! If it helps:
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Post by steve10086 on Mar 2, 2022 21:41:13 GMT
I want to know which 35 countries abstained at the UN earlier. If there is ever a point at which I may be going on holiday again (if the world survives, if the economy recovers, if I have a job) then those 35 countries can f*** themselves! If it helps: Ah, places I wouldn’t have touched with a $hitty stick anyway!
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Post by Jan on Mar 3, 2022 7:26:16 GMT
The one that surprised me in that list was South Africa. I suppose it only surprised me because I don't know much about politics there. There may be reasons for abstentions - for example I would say in any solution to the crisis China has to be involved in some way - as an intermediary, policing a ceasefire or whatever - and so need to maintain an appearance of neutrality. Others of course have no such excuse - Pakistan for example.
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Post by BurlyBeaR on Mar 3, 2022 7:38:59 GMT
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Post by Jan on Mar 3, 2022 8:06:14 GMT
UK foreign aid to Pakistan is currently around £300m a year.
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Post by Someone in a tree on Mar 3, 2022 9:28:25 GMT
UK foreign aid to Pakistan is currently around £300m a year. Why don't we just cut out the middleman and give it directly to Uncle Vlad?
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Post by Jan on Mar 3, 2022 9:35:15 GMT
UK press reporting on the military aspect of the conflict is almost entirely superficial, ill-informed and sensationalist. Just like it was for Covid. Here's a dispassionate article on the current military position and possible future outcomes by a Professor of War Studies. samf.substack.com/p/russias-plan-c?s=w
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Post by Deleted on Mar 4, 2022 13:13:19 GMT
It is ironic that other countries will go to help some countries under attack and not other. We bailed out Kuwait in 1990/91 but if Saddam had pushed on into Saudi Arabia and taken the Holy City I bet the West would have wanted no part of it.
We keep hearing about this Russian Convoy bogged down how come the Ukraine haven't bombed the hell out of that?
Does anyone else think it is unfair that BBC/ITV reporters should be in Ukraine?
Would the Russian troops have any respect for the British Press and we could have hostage issues?
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Post by og on Mar 4, 2022 13:43:18 GMT
It is ironic that other countries will go to help some countries under attack and not other. We bailed out Kuwait in 1990/91 but if Saddam had pushed on into Saudi Arabia and taken the Holy City I bet the West would have wanted no part of it. Politics is the answer here. Putin has proven himself unstable. A lot of counties are currently passively involved because as soon as they start throwing their heavies into it, when it stops being Russia vs Ukraine and becomes a multi-country effort then Putin is likely to become trigger happy and this would not end well. It will go nuclear. So currently, countries are providing the support in ways that they can, in munitions and sanctions. We keep hearing about this Russian Convoy bogged down how come the Ukraine haven't bombed the hell out of that? Many reasons. There have actually been multiple convoys at different times that have got stuck .That said, earlier in the week multiple previous convoys were bombed, it's just not made the headlines. Ukraine is trying to hold down it's cities currently where the worst conflict is, so why put efforts into a convoy that has effectively disabled itself by the lack of fuel and food. Does anyone else think it is unfair that BBC/ITV reporters should be in Ukraine? They go of their own free will. Some correspondents already residents of those areas. Reporters in a warzone is hardly unique to this conflict in Ukraine. Anyone reporting for press in a warzone is on an extremely high wage due to the risk.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 4, 2022 14:11:39 GMT
While Putin invading Ukraine would be awful at any time, I do feel that him doing it now, after the ghastly last 2 years the world has had with covid, is particularly awful. I think that is Putin's idea of 'fun' to be honest or fear. You know the person that is afraid and likes solving problems that do not exist well that is Putin.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 4, 2022 14:14:56 GMT
The one that surprised me in that list was South Africa. I suppose it only surprised me because I don't know much about politics there. There may be reasons for abstentions - for example I would say in any solution to the crisis China has to be involved in some way - as an intermediary, policing a ceasefire or whatever - and so need to maintain an appearance of neutrality. Others of course have no such excuse - Pakistan for example. Well this is because it was third world. Africa has very little to do with USA or USSR during the Cold War and very little now. They simply do not care as most of Africa.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 4, 2022 16:44:01 GMT
You know the person that is afraid and likes solving problems that do not exist well that is Putin. I wonder if the likes of Clive Myrie do get extra money for going to front the news in the danger zones. Orla Guerin and befotre her Kate Adie have always been on the frontlines. The various editors/correspondents are well paid and I know many featured on the BBC earnings list. But I wonder if there is danger money on top of this. Likewise with your armed forces they all have their ranks but I'd imagine special forces must get some sort of pay premium for the jobs they do compared say to a regular soldier or ship person.
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