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Post by SuttonPeron on Sept 23, 2022 16:19:13 GMT
Not sure how I can be any clearer. I don't know what percent of Prince's salary Seth would get. Nobody's knows if it's "paltry." (I never disagreed that Prince would have had more - his estate may STILL get more for all we know!) People on here do not know the details of the current "commercial arrangement." Phantom currently has one of (if not the) largest pit orchestra of any open ended running West End Musical - ongoing wonderful times My Dears! Wonderful times I tell thee. Wicked has 17 musicians. Les Mis also has 14. But having 14 players on a pit where there once were 27 is certainly not something to celebrate, but to mourn over. Very tough times for live music.
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Post by inthenose on Sept 23, 2022 17:02:20 GMT
Not sure how I can be any clearer. I don't know what percent of Prince's salary Seth would get. Nobody's knows if it's "paltry." (I never disagreed that Prince would have had more - his estate may STILL get more for all we know!) People on here do not know the details of the current "commercial arrangement." Phantom currently has one of (if not the) largest pit orchestra of any open ended running West End Musical - ongoing wonderful times My Dears! Wonderful times I tell thee. Wicked has 17 musicians. Les Mis also has 14. But having 14 players on a pit where there once were 27 is certainly not something to celebrate, but to mourn over. Very tough times for live music. Very tough times My Dears, I tell thee… 😂
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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2022 17:44:17 GMT
Well, I would put it to you - I do rather feel it would have been tougher if adaptations had not been made, it had remained unviable and closed and ALL 27 had lost their jobs.
They have done the best thing and found the best compromise for the overall good IMHO.
The coronavirus was terrible; terrible - the post Covid environment unbelievably tough. I can only wonder if people underestimate this!
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Post by scarpia on Sept 23, 2022 19:18:38 GMT
Well, I would put it to you - I do rather feel it would have been tougher if adaptations had not been made, it had remained unviable and closed and ALL 27 had lost their jobs. They have done the best thing and found the best compromise for the overall good IMHO. The coronavirus was terrible; terrible - the post Covid environment unbelievably tough. I can only wonder if people underestimate this! The decision to halve the orchestra and downsize was taken prior to the pandemic and was not made because of the pandemic. It was implemented sooner because of the pandemic but that the plan was necessitated by the post-COVID environment is simply not true. Also, all 27 DID lose their jobs. A few (not 14 of the original players) were rehired. On worse contracts.
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Post by Peter on Sept 23, 2022 22:22:37 GMT
That 14 in the pit is now at the larger end for a flagship West End musical should be considered sad. I recognise that this is dictated to an extent by economics and technology - but I suspect that the former is too frequently used as as excuse for cost cutting, and the latter often falls on the wrong side of being an acceptable compromise (see the awful implementation of the Sinfonia in Les Mis back in 2004, and the noticeably thinner sound now coming from the pit at Her Majesty’s).
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Post by Deleted on Sept 24, 2022 7:03:15 GMT
That 14 in the pit is now at the larger end for a flagship West End musical should be considered sad. I recognise that this is dictated to an extent by economics and technology - but I suspect that the former is too frequently used as as excuse for cost cutting, and the latter often falls on the wrong side of being an acceptable compromise (see the awful implementation of the Sinfonia in Les Mis back in 2004, and the noticeably thinner sound now coming from the pit at Her Majesty’s). Certainly I agree with this. It is sad. I mean I wish all pits were still 20+. What I disagree with is the demonisation of ALW/CM when, even now, they present bigger overall production values than most others. A conversation about the declines across the board; well yes very much so - and suboptimal indeed. Les Mis is a good example of technology. When the Sinfonia came in the orchestra was actually bigger than the 2009 production. But as technology moved on and it was superbly re orchestrated, it actually sounded better with a smaller orchestra. (I’d add a my Dears but it seems a poster above wishes to poke fun at this, which I think is somewhat unkind. But hey ho).
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Post by anthony on Sept 28, 2022 20:27:46 GMT
Capacity last week was 100.62%
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Post by Jon on Sept 29, 2022 0:32:39 GMT
I imagine it'll extend by a few months because of the increase in demand. Who'd thunk a closing notice would revive sales.
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Post by richey on Sept 29, 2022 19:18:14 GMT
Teasing a possible return?
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Post by anthony on Oct 3, 2022 1:05:25 GMT
Teasing a possible return? Or is it teasing Love Never Dies Broadway? After the US tour closed, there were no Broadways plans, but the producer of the tour later said a limited run could happen. Or yes, it's teasing the scaled down version.
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Post by scarpia on Nov 4, 2022 17:47:20 GMT
It was nice to finally see it after so long. I still prefer Les Mis though. Better story and a more epic feel. I suspect Phantom would have felt more epic had you seen it before the 'lighter' version was moved in (speaking of which, tix are now finally being released for the final weeks of the full-fat version on Broadway...and I think I will go to send it off!).
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Post by inthenose on Nov 4, 2022 17:54:54 GMT
It was nice to finally see it after so long. I still prefer Les Mis though. Better story and a more epic feel. I suspect Phantom would have felt more epic had you seen it before the 'lighter' version was moved in (speaking of which, tix are now finally being released for the final weeks of the full-fat version on Broadway...and I think I will go to send it off!). Do enjoy and share your experiences please!!!
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Post by welcometodreamland on Nov 5, 2022 9:09:32 GMT
It was nice to finally see it after so long. I still prefer Les Mis though. Better story and a more epic feel. I suspect Phantom would have felt more epic had you seen it before the 'lighter' version was moved in (speaking of which, tix are now finally being released for the final weeks of the full-fat version on Broadway...and I think I will go to send it off!). To be fair I'm not sure what the 'lighter' version is. Just went to see it on a random tuesday evening and took away what I saw. I'm aware that its not the same show than it started (i.e. lyrics changed, scenery, etc), yet that's inevitable for a musical that's been on for thirty plus years. The Mousetrap is sort of the exception but hey. But never the less I was happy, very happy in fact. It's the type of musical that has lasted due to iconography and taking an old novel and reigniting it in a new way because the story still very much works today.
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Post by scarpia on Nov 5, 2022 18:38:30 GMT
Well, the lighter version is what you saw. I'm just saying you may have found the bigger original have had a more 'epic feel' than what is essentially a touring version shoehorned into a West End theatre (with cast members who would not have made the cut back in the show's heyday).
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Post by theatrefan62 on Nov 6, 2022 11:36:22 GMT
In fairness I think even in its heyday phantom wasn't what I'd call epic, certainly when compared to les mis.
Both amazing shows, but I wouldn't have called phantom epic.
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Post by scarpia on Nov 6, 2022 12:57:12 GMT
In fairness I think even in its heyday phantom wasn't what I'd call epic, certainly when compared to les mis. Both amazing shows, but I wouldn't have called phantom epic. It's entirely subjective of course and depends on what is meant by 'epic'. As a story, then yes Les Misérables is certainly more qualified to constitute 'epic' than Phantom. As a production, though? I don't think anyone can seriously compare what's playing at the Sondheim Theatre now to what's at the Majestic on Broadway and conclude that the former is more 'epic'.
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Post by couldileaveyou on Nov 29, 2022 16:36:53 GMT
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Post by wardrobemistress76 on Nov 29, 2022 22:43:12 GMT
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Post by appoul on Nov 29, 2022 22:51:49 GMT
And what if some huge POTO fan has already booked a ticket for what was originally announced to be the final show? Will they be allowed to exchange it for the new closing date?
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Post by sukhavati on Nov 30, 2022 0:04:37 GMT
I was expecting something similar to the London situation for the sake of inserting the cheaper touring version, but this is great for the cast, crew, and front of house staff. I hope demand remains strong enough that the show keeps running in its current form.
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Post by sukhavati on Nov 30, 2022 5:33:10 GMT
I was expecting something similar to the London situation for the sake of inserting the cheaper touring version, but this is great for the cast, crew, and front of house staff. I hope demand remains strong enough that the show keeps running in its current form. Here we go - according to TheaterMania, the Shubert Organization is going to renovate the Majestic. Time to start taking bets on the restaged version moving into the refreshed theatre after work is complete?
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Post by steve10086 on Nov 30, 2022 7:59:35 GMT
And what if some huge POTO fan has already booked a ticket for what was originally announced to be the final show? Will they be allowed to exchange it for the new closing date? I doubt it. Happened many times before with many other shows that have announced closing dates and then extended. You don’t buy a ticket for “the final performance”, you buy a ticket for the performance on that date, which is what you’re getting. I understand the disappointment (been in same situation), but that’s just how it is.
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Post by LaLuPone on Nov 30, 2022 14:31:20 GMT
They hadn’t put the original final performance on sale anyway so nothing to worry about!
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Post by anthony on Apr 12, 2023 21:50:19 GMT
In an interview with NY1, Lloyd Webber described Phantom closing as "unnecessary".
This does seem really quite sad.
Rumour seems to be that the Majestic will be going through renovations with a new production of Phantom opening soon after. Rumour seems to suggest that it will be a non-replica - the article explicitly says it won't be like London.
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Post by anthony on Apr 12, 2023 23:54:21 GMT
Looks like a new cast album is coming of the closing cast.
Phantom just shared a reel on Facebook of the Broadway cast in a recording study with the title "We have something special to share tomorrow..."
Doesn't seem to be just the title song like London received as John Riddle (Raoul) is in the video.
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Post by BVM on Apr 13, 2023 15:07:19 GMT
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Post by anthony on Apr 13, 2023 15:40:55 GMT
Wow. Why would they HYPE this up so much? I am holding out hope, because the Lord tweeted this morning that something would be revealed on Friday, retweeting the original tweet. Although, probably not, given the outfits are the same in the teaser video. Meh.
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Post by mattnyc on Apr 13, 2023 20:13:19 GMT
Very curious what, if anything special will be done for the shows final public performance Saturday night. I’ll be at that one (sadly couldn’t get into the invite only FINAL Sunday show), but still hoping for some speeches and things for the fans of that performance.
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Post by sukhavati on Apr 15, 2023 8:14:47 GMT
Very curious what, if anything special will be done for the shows final public performance Saturday night. I’ll be at that one (sadly couldn’t get into the invite only FINAL Sunday show), but still hoping for some speeches and things for the fans of that performance. I know Michael Crawford is going to be in the audience; his wife mentioned it on her Insta. ALW and Sarah Brightman were given ceremonial keys to the city of NY Friday. Here comes the hype.
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Post by BurlyBeaR on Apr 15, 2023 8:51:59 GMT
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