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Post by vickyg on Aug 2, 2021 12:11:55 GMT
It's an easier one because it's all about balance rather than complex aerial twisting. On the BBC Beth Tweddle was saying that the most difficult part will be the dismount, but Simone Biles can simplify that if she feels she can't handle her normal dismount. Still a really hard bar no wider than your foot. Not much room for error If she just has the twisties as she has been saying, she doesn't have any twisting in her beam routine with the exception of the dismount which she can easily replace with a double pike/tuck. The rest of her gymnastics would be broadly unaffected. It also evens out the playing field a little when there's not one gymnast with a double double dismount! Obviously it's unbelievably disappointing for Simone that this happened at the Olympics but it happens to literally every gymnast at all levels at some point or other in their career and it has led to some really great competition in the rest of the field. I do believe that she's the greatest athlete in any sport of all time and is so exciting to watch, but she isn't the sum total of gymnastics.
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Post by HereForTheatre on Aug 2, 2021 12:13:59 GMT
Just watching the bbc coverage and they are making a thing of Micheal Johnson tapping Gabby Logan and it being against the rules to touch or whatever and Gabby Logan had to say they are in a "bubble", plus they are all sitting 2 metres apart as well...have they not got the memo that social distancing has ended and there can be as much physical contact and mixing as they like? Very confused.
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Post by FairyGodmother on Aug 2, 2021 12:32:16 GMT
Oh please no, Graziano is a terrible dancer and choreographer. Sadly the rest of the current male pro line up aren't much better though, the new pro Kai is probably the best of the bunch. If it is not a silly question, how do we know the newbie is the best? I don't know off the top of my head, but dancesportinfo is a brilliant website for looking up competition results. In the Olympics, I've been enjoying the eventing.
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Post by jojo on Aug 2, 2021 12:47:17 GMT
I love Michael Johnson, so I'm not complaining, but does anyone know why he commentates for the BBC and not an American broadcaster? I'd have assumed he'd be in high demand and have his pick of where to go, with the US ones offering more money, and presumably some other benefits of proximity to home.
Perhaps he just likes spending time with Denise Lewis (I would too), but is there more to it that I've missed?
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Post by theglenbucklaird on Aug 2, 2021 12:58:20 GMT
I love Michael Johnson, so I'm not complaining, but does anyone know why he commentates for the BBC and not an American broadcaster? I'd have assumed he'd be in high demand and have his pick of where to go, with the US ones offering more money, and presumably some other benefits of proximity to home. Perhaps he just likes spending time with Denise Lewis (I would too), but is there more to it that I've missed? Openly admits he was not that well liked in the team. Plus he is not that flamboyant so probably doesn't suit US tv. And is very outspoken against drug cheats And Ato Boldon has that gig tied up who is really popular. Any US of stateside views but I reckon those things come into it? But great to have him on BBC
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Post by Deleted on Aug 2, 2021 13:24:02 GMT
Obviously it's unbelievably disappointing for Simone that this happened at the Olympics but it happens to literally every gymnast at all levels at some point or other in their career and it has led to some really great competition in the rest of the field. Though it's great to see Simone Biles back I'm also glad she dropped out in such a public way. It's going to be good for the sport in the long run. For the benefit of those who haven't been keeping up with things, gymnastics used to be in a pretty unpleasant place. Some of the coaches were appallingly abusive. A "winning is all that matters" approach made no allowance for human frailties and human feelings, and gymnasts were treated like machines. Several gymnasts suffered permanent injuries as a result of being pushed too far. A small number died. The sport has cleaned up its act in recent years; there's a kinder, gentler style of coaching now and some dangerous elements are banned and if performed result in an automatic score of zero. But some want a return to the old days. In the United States the poor performance of the men's team in particular has led to some people calling for the return of coaches like the Karolyis because they got results. Never mind the cost of those results. So I think it's probably one of the most important events in recent gymnastics history that a leading gymnast at an Olympic final can declare that she feels it would be unsafe to continue and have the complete backing of the other participants in the event, with coaches and retired gymnasts from around the world joining in to say that it was exactly the right call. It's not the first time someone has dropped out of a competition but this time it was at a time and a place where it can be particularly influential and people are talking about it in a way they haven't before. The Tokyo 2020 gymnasts have set a precedent that would have been unthinkable a few years ago: no event is more important than the people in it.
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Post by jojo on Aug 2, 2021 15:25:01 GMT
I love Michael Johnson, so I'm not complaining, but does anyone know why he commentates for the BBC and not an American broadcaster? I'd have assumed he'd be in high demand and have his pick of where to go, with the US ones offering more money, and presumably some other benefits of proximity to home. Perhaps he just likes spending time with Denise Lewis (I would too), but is there more to it that I've missed? Openly admits he was not that well liked in the team. Plus he is not that flamboyant so probably doesn't suit US tv. And is very outspoken against drug cheats And Ato Boldon has that gig tied up who is really popular. Any US of stateside views but I reckon those things come into it? But great to have him on BBC Thanks, that makes sense. He doesn't come across as an attention seeker, so as well as being more suited to the BBC's style of presenting, it might suit him to be on tv less where he lives. I'm sure he's still a super-star there, but he strikes me as someone who could live without the ego boost of getting asked for his autograph when he nips to the shops for a pint of milk. Matthew, you make great points about the gymnastics. This seems like it could be a very important turning point for how athletes are commodified. Between Biles and Osaka and the German gymnasts wearing leotards with legs and the Swedish hand ball team wanting to wear shorts instead of bikini bottoms, there's a lot of momentum. I'm pleased Biles is back for the beam, which will hopefully be a positive note for her to finish on. Not her strongest discipline, but one where she can avoid the move that she's struggling with.
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Post by kathryn on Aug 2, 2021 15:38:22 GMT
It’s a shame so many of the general public - who haven’t been near a gym in years, let alone gymnastics - feel they are entitled to judge Biles as lacking because she put her physical safety and mental well-being first.
I’ve seen people who literally can’t get up and down stairs without a rest in the middle suddenly turn into armchair experts about elite sporting performance. Drives me barmy!
What I’m interested in is whether previous gymnasts who have suffered this problem have kept it quiet by claiming they had other injuries stopping them competing. It’s clearly a common problem - is this the first time a gymnast has been unlucky enough to have it happen at the Olympics, or just the first time someone has been truthful about it?
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Post by peggs on Aug 2, 2021 17:28:17 GMT
It is really sobering isn't it people's reactions. For every person saying good on her there's someone banging on about that is what being an elite athlete is about and all the money and blar blar blar. Big kudos for all the sport's people recently who are taking a stand and being open about their mental health in what must be extremely difficult circumstances.
I'm sure I read a post from an ex athlete but I can't remember who saying they knew of plenty of people who'd cited physical injuries rather than mental ill health in the past as they knew that would be more readily accepted. Away from the Olympics but Ben Stokes has just gone on a break for his mental health as well, you hope bit by bit this will make it easier for all athletes in the future and for people in general to feel it is something they will be supported to do.
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Post by vdcni on Aug 2, 2021 20:01:29 GMT
On the Michael Johnson point it's worth noting that athletics isn't a particularly big sport in the US despite their success. Outside of the Olympics it struggles for coverage on TV and will rarely be on a main channel the way it is here.
Europe is where athletics is strongest, the majority of the biggest meets are held here and athletes are bigger stars. I remember a few American athletes being shocked about how big a star Jess Ennis was during the London Olympics.
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Post by Dawnstar on Aug 2, 2021 20:06:47 GMT
I was extremely pleased to see Britain get team gold & individual ilver in the evening today. It made it worth staying up until 5am the night before last to watch the cross country phase!
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Post by theglenbucklaird on Aug 3, 2021 9:52:56 GMT
Well done Simone
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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2021 15:03:12 GMT
It was nice that the women's balance beam final didn't have anyone fall off this time, although there were a couple of very close calls. I feel terrible for them when one tiny slip ruins their chances of getting a decent score.
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Post by Mark on Aug 3, 2021 18:14:58 GMT
It was a great beam final! The Chinese athletes were fantastic and a huge well done to Simone Biles for getting out there.
Also enjoyed the diving today and was so pleased to see Jack Laugher come away with a bronze medal, very well deserved.
The cycling - gosh that crash with the Danish team was pretty nasty, that athlete had a stinking attitude and should have been disqualified - they’re very lucky he wasn’t.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2021 20:11:23 GMT
I caught a bit of the speed climbing this afternoon. They're obviously climbing vertically, but because one of the cameras was set up pointing straight at the wall it looked like an overhead view of two people frantically scampering across the floor.
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Post by kathryn on Aug 3, 2021 22:20:15 GMT
It was nice that the women's balance beam final didn't have anyone fall off this time, although there were a couple of very close calls. I feel terrible for them when one tiny slip ruins their chances of getting a decent score. Yes - a few wobbles but they managed to stay on! That was a nasty fall in the high bar - they got fingertips on briefly then slid right off.
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Post by oxfordsimon on Aug 3, 2021 23:18:22 GMT
I think the fail of the games has to be the diver who scored 0.0 points.
That is quite a rare score!
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Post by oxfordsimon on Aug 4, 2021 0:52:25 GMT
Just watching the Skateboarding and I feel like I have fallen into an alien universe...
I don't understand a word they are saying
#feelingold
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Post by FairyGodmother on Aug 4, 2021 7:48:16 GMT
I caught a bit of the speed climbing this afternoon. They're obviously climbing vertically, but because one of the cameras was set up pointing straight at the wall it looked like an overhead view of two people frantically scampering across the floor. The filming choices for the lead climbing were a bit odd too. The wall tilts backwards, but they filmed most of it with close-ups on the climber and even when it pulled back they kept the camera parallel to the wall. It always looked like they were climbing vertically, just much slower for some bits than others.
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Post by jaqs on Aug 4, 2021 8:49:13 GMT
I’m loving the speed climbing, they’re better than Spider-Man.
Anyway delighted that the 2 British women made it through to the 10m diving semi final, and the Irish woman did too.
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Post by theglenbucklaird on Aug 4, 2021 12:09:20 GMT
Gutted for KJT
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Post by Mark on Aug 4, 2021 12:16:47 GMT
I was watching and just shouted out nooooo when I realised what had happened. Heartbreaking for her because she was going pretty good up to that point.
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Post by lynette on Aug 4, 2021 12:34:52 GMT
Just watching the Skateboarding and I feel like I have fallen into an alien universe... I don't understand a word they are saying #feelingold So cute! The commentator said they would be in Paris but hey, another load of now 10 year olds, to be 13 year olds will be there.
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Post by Dawnstar on Aug 4, 2021 12:36:24 GMT
Absolutely thrilled to see Ben Maher & Explosion W get the individual showjumping gold. That makes it 2 Olympics in a row for Britain, having never had individual gold prior to Nick Skelton in Rio. Also medals in 5/5 equestrian events so far at these Olympics with just the team showjumping to go. Earlier this morning tuned in to the men's team pursuit in the track cycling after seeing Italy were in contention for the gold. I was very pleased they won so Filippo Ganna has got his gold after missing out in the time trial last week. I think the fail of the games has to be the diver who scored 0.0 points. The rider whose horse refused twice at the first fence in the first round of the showjumping yesterday, & was therefore eliminated without getting over a single jump, also has to be in contention!
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Post by FairyGodmother on Aug 4, 2021 13:55:04 GMT
Just wait for the pentathalon. Experienced horses with some quite novice riders can be... interesting. Some of the horses are lovely and really help even if the riders are doing the wrong thing. Other horses just think "you can't tell me what to do!". You know when there's a specific penalty for falling off it must happen a lot...
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