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Post by Someone in a tree on Feb 13, 2021 13:50:49 GMT
I'm not sure about a 2nd series but a one off special focusing on Jill and how she coped would be very a very welcome addition.
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Post by londonpostie on Feb 13, 2021 14:05:05 GMT
Yes, the protests were powerful but for me (can't quite put my finger on it) it wasn't. I thought that when Ritchie was on the boat home there were some wonderful camera angles and capture of light. Throughout the series, budget limitations showed through. Of the very limited outdoor scenes these two epitomised that for me. The back of a boat, presumably cordoned off for a few different shots (when he left home, when he came back, when he came back with Jill .. ), and the crowd scene at the demo (where Covid must have also interfered).
Another issue with the demo was the conclusion was ridiculously sentimental and obv set up for later reference.
The street scene outside the flat (with the London double decker bus perpetually creeping past) was another obv. concern. But the budget is the budget. Perhaps it was enough they stretched it to 5 episodes. |
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Post by oxfordsimon on Feb 13, 2021 14:07:09 GMT
Given QAF2, I don't want a sequel from RTD
What might be interesting would be a parallel series set in the US where the impact was even greater and the wilful ignorance on the part of the White House was horrendous.
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Post by oxfordsimon on Feb 13, 2021 14:08:07 GMT
Yes, the protests were powerful but for me (can't quite put my finger on it) it wasn't. I thought that when Ritchie was on the boat home there were some wonderful camera angles and capture of light. Throughout the series, budget limitations showed through. Of the very limited outdoor scenes these two epitomised that for me. The back of a boat, presumably cordoned off for a few different shots (when he left home, when he came back, when he came back with Jill .. ), and the crowd scene at the demo (where Covid must have also interfered).
The street scene outside the flat (with the London double decker bus perpetually creeping past) was another obv. concern. But the budget is the budget. Perhaps it was enough they stretched it to 5 episodes. I believe filming was complete well before any lockdowns. |
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Post by richey on Feb 13, 2021 15:48:37 GMT
I didn't feel as moved by last night's episode as I have with the other. I felt that it was 'ticking boxes' about what they felt they had to reference (tombstone ad, clause 28 etc)
The funeral scene at the beginning was quite moving,as was the part where the one character listed all the dates for the funerals which were coming up.
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Post by oxfordsimon on Feb 13, 2021 16:03:30 GMT
Ep4 is clearly a transition point.
We probably couldn't have coped emotionally from anything that was as devastating as the loss of Colin.
I know I appreciated having something less intense but that moved the story on.
The library speech will go down as a great moment.
I was a bit annoyed at the time line change with the tombstone ad and the leaflet campaign which took place well before the apparent start of the episode in 1988. But then Pride the movie had similar 'errors'
The protest was a bit underwhelming and the escalation into police brutality was just a little forced.
But as an episode, it was important to mark the start of the fight back
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Post by NeilVHughes on Feb 14, 2021 6:44:21 GMT
Started watching yesterday evening and will catch up with the rest during the week with the aim of watching the last episode ‘live’ on Friday.
Have been wondering about the death of Henry. (Neil Patrick Harris)
He seemed to be in a long standing monogamous loving relationship and would have been relatively safe especially as he seemed more protective rather than predatory with Colin and therefore not sure how he and his partner would have became infected especially as they were early victims prior to the virus becoming more prevalent.
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Post by alece10 on Feb 14, 2021 9:23:44 GMT
Started watching yesterday evening and will catch up with the rest during the week with the aim of watching the last episode ‘live’ on Friday. Have been wondering about the death of Henry. (Neil Patrick Harris) He seemed to be in a long standing monogamous loving relationship and would have been relatively safe especially as he seemed more protective rather than predatory with Colin and therefore not sure how he and his partner would have became infected especially as they were early victims prior to the virus becoming more prevalent. I think it was because his partner was cabin crew and flying around the world so the suggestion was he picked up the virus somewhere in his travels and the relationship was not as monogamous as we are led to believe. |
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Post by kathryn on Feb 14, 2021 9:50:25 GMT
It can take 20+ years for HIV to develop into AIDS, so it possible that he was infected before they got together - I know Henry days they’ve been together ‘decades’ but that was probably a bit of a jokey exaggeration.
The variable incubation period of HIV is one of the reasons why it spread undetected for so long and was so unpredictable. There are a few HIV+ people diagnosed early on who never developed AIDS before treatment became available - and some who develop AIDS only months after infection.
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Post by anthony40 on Feb 14, 2021 14:04:03 GMT
Did anyone else pick up on the Dr. Who crossover?
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Post by londonpostie on Feb 14, 2021 16:48:52 GMT
I think it was because his partner was cabin crew and flying around the world so the suggestion was he picked up the virus somewhere in his travels and the relationship was not as monogamous as we are led to believe.
Yep, the double tragedy of revealed infidelity and the couple facing death without one another.
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Post by londonpostie on Feb 14, 2021 16:49:38 GMT
Did anyone else pick up on the Dr. Who crossover? It was a little difficult to ignore three Daleks smashing down a barricade  |
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Post by intoanewlife on Feb 14, 2021 16:59:06 GMT
Given QAF2, I don't want a sequel from RTD What might be interesting would be a parallel series set in the US where the impact was even greater and the wilful ignorance on the part of the White House was horrendous. It's already been done x Copy of entire film removed for copyright reasons. Search YT for And The Band Played On to watch this. |
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Post by intoanewlife on Feb 14, 2021 17:08:40 GMT
I think it was because his partner was cabin crew and flying around the world so the suggestion was he picked up the virus somewhere in his travels and the relationship was not as monogamous as we are led to believe.
Yep, the double tragedy of revealed infidelity
I assumed they had an open relationship therefore there was no infidelity. |
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Post by londonpostie on Feb 14, 2021 17:17:46 GMT
I'd certainly admire the confidence of a writer who chooses to turn away from tragedy.
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Post by oxfordsimon on Feb 14, 2021 17:58:13 GMT
Given QAF2, I don't want a sequel from RTD What might be interesting would be a parallel series set in the US where the impact was even greater and the wilful ignorance on the part of the White House was horrendous. It's already been done x Copy of entire film removed for copyright reasons. Search YT for And The Band Played On to watch this. BB I have the original book and the DVD I was thinking more about looking at the US experience through the eyes of a specific group of friends rather than the more sprawling multinarrative form of ATBPO |
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Post by sfsusan on Feb 14, 2021 18:01:58 GMT
he seemed to be in a long standing monogamous loving relationship I lived in SF in the 70s/80s and knew at least one couple where the partner wasn't as monogamous as the other believed. |
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Post by sfsusan on Feb 14, 2021 18:03:52 GMT
I was thinking more about looking at the US experience through the eyes of a specific group of friends rather than the more sprawling multinarrative form of ATBPO Didn't 'Boys in the Band' do that? (It's been a long time since I saw it, but that's what I remember. And 'Rent', I suppose, to a lesser extent.) |
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Post by intoanewlife on Feb 14, 2021 18:16:35 GMT
I have the original book and the DVD I was thinking more about looking at the US experience through the eyes of a specific group of friends rather than the more sprawling multinarrative form of ATBPO As long as it's not Ryan Murphy and his usual troupe of horrors I'm in x |
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Post by oxfordsimon on Feb 14, 2021 18:57:03 GMT
I was thinking more about looking at the US experience through the eyes of a specific group of friends rather than the more sprawling multinarrative form of ATBPO Didn't 'Boys in the Band' do that? (It's been a long time since I saw it, but that's what I remember. And 'Rent', I suppose, to a lesser extent.) Boys in the Band is set in 1969 so the wrong era. I suspect the reverence for Angels in America has made it tougher to look back at that era without being compared. The Normal Heart is very much a play of the early/mid 80s and is a great piece but there is space for someone else to look again at this key moment in our collective histories |
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Post by intoanewlife on Feb 14, 2021 19:06:07 GMT
I also highly recommend the documentary Silverlake Life: The View from Here, but it is very distressing and upsetting watch so be pre-warned.
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Post by drowseychap on Feb 15, 2021 2:36:46 GMT
Yes, the protests were powerful but for me (can't quite put my finger on it) it wasn't. I thought that when Ritchie was on the boat home there were some wonderful camera angles and capture of light. Throughout the series, budget limitations showed through. Of the very limited outdoor scenes these two epitomised that for me. The back of a boat, presumably cordoned off for a few different shots (when he left home, when he came back, when he came back with Jill .. ), and the crowd scene at the demo (where Covid must have also interfered).
Another issue with the demo was the conclusion was ridiculously sentimental and obv set up for later reference.
The street scene outside the flat (with the London double decker bus perpetually creeping past) was another obv. concern. But the budget is the budget. Perhaps it was enough they stretched it to 5 episodes. I thought the same sadly appears they had a tight budget so some scenes lacked impact or just didn’t quite feel true. London bus tick red phone box tick post box tick ok that’s London sorted ..... but I’m just glad RTD finally got it commissioned he originally wanted. 8 part series but could only get 4 commissioned. And had to push for a 5th hence some early eps feel so much crammed in and fast moving ... all major channels turned it down. Bet they are kicking themselves now ! Imagine if he could have got his 8 parts made and with bigger budget ❤️ I. Went to a anniversary screening of QAF. A few years ago with a Q&A after RTD. Talked about this back then called “the boys “ then he was so excited about it said was his best work and most personal and enjoyable. Just hoped he could get the funding for it. I’m just so pleased we have it after all. X |
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Post by danb on Feb 15, 2021 17:19:45 GMT
I have the original book and the DVD I was thinking more about looking at the US experience through the eyes of a specific group of friends rather than the more sprawling multinarrative form of ATBPO Like ‘Tales of the City’? |
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Post by oxfordsimon on Feb 15, 2021 18:10:44 GMT
No. Something that takes the raw emotion of It's a Sin and gives it an American twist.
It would need to be better that QAF US. But it could be done.
And I agree that it shouldn't be done by Ryan Murphy.
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Post by princeton on Feb 15, 2021 18:52:33 GMT
It's A Sin reminded me, to a certain extent, of Craig Lucas and Norman Rene's Longtime Companion. It spanned the same period of time, and looked at the impact of AIDS on a group of gay friends in Manhattan, although they are older and more affluent (and less ethnically diverse) than those in IAS - though one is an actor! It also has a 'Jill' character. One major difference is that it was written and released in 1989 when AIDS was still very much a death threat - so was a contemporary drama rather than a period piece. I haven't seen it for years and it doesn't seem to be available on any streaming services so don't know how it holds up - but I bet Russell T Davies has watched it.
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